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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:26 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
You all have been so good with the reviews lately, even today (on a Saturday!), that I feel compelled to post yet another Duo. Well, that and Mouth of Saruman asked. Razz

Six Duos in two days. Wow. We’ve broken all kinds of records lately. Mr. Green

But this is it for today. I mean it this time! Laughing

Dáin’s DC Duos #40

With these cards, we leave riddles behind entirely and move on to some of Gollum’s other trickses. Yes, precious...he’s very tricksy, gollum!

2 Where Iss It? Gollum
Condition • Support Area
Each time a burden is added, you may add a Gollum token here.
Maneuver: Discard this condition to make Gollum strength +2 (limit +6) for each token here until the regroup phase.
“‘Losst it is, my precious, lost, lost! Curse us and crush us, my precious is lost!’”

Not very often you can get a +6 strength bonus for only 2 twilight. It takes a little bit of time and effort to get that high, of course, but with the burden-adding cards Gollum has at his disposal--from the riddles of Lasting Alliances to all the cards Decipher has made--it could take no time at all.

My question: is it too easy? Should I make it more expensive or harder to build up or anything?

1Only Curious Gollum
Condition • Support Area
Maneuver: Make Gollum strength -X (to a minimum of 0) until the regroup phase to reveal X cards from the top of your draw deck. Until the regroup phase, Gollum is strength +2 for each Gollum card revealed. Take all revealed cards into your hand. Discard this condition.
“‘...otherwise he would have grabbed first and whispered afterwards.’”

Let’s face it: unless you use big pumps like Where Iss It?, Gollum isn’t much of a fighter. He makes a much better annoyance most of the time. Only Curious is a good example, taking away what little strength Gollum has and turning it into a lot of new cards in your hand.

Or does it? If you’re able to manipulate the draw deck well enough, Gollum’s strength doesn’t suffer at all, and you can actually make him stronger.

Think about it. Let’s say the top card you draw is a Gollum card. Gollum went strength -1 to get that, and +2 once you see it’s a Gollum card, so he ends up at strength +1. If you don’t get a Gollum card until the second card, Gollum goes strength -2, then strength +2, so he STILL breaks even. It’s really not unless you get particularly unlucky that he ends up going far backwards in strength...and if you get very lucky, he could be in double-digit strength by the time you’re done.

EDIT: Major rewrites for both cards. Thanks for putting me back on the straight path, guys. Smile
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NBarden
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:17 pm
Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 5468 Location: I don't know...
DáinIronfoot wrote:
You all have been so good with the reviews lately, even today (on a Saturday!), that I feel compelled to post yet another Duo. Well, that and Mouth of Saruman asked. Razz

Six Duos in two days. Wow. We’ve broken all kinds of records lately. Mr. Green

But this is it for today. I mean it this time! Laughing

Dáin’s DC Duos #40

With these cards, we leave riddles behind entirely and move on to some of Gollum’s other trickses. Yes, precious...he’s very tricksy, gollum!

2 Where Iss It? Gollum
Condition • Support Area
Each time a burden is added, spot no more than 3 tokens here to add a token here.
Maneuver: Discard this condition to make Gollum strength +2 for each token here.
“‘Losst it is, my precious, lost, lost! Curse us and crush us, my precious is lost!’”

We wants it. We wants Decipher too makes us cardses

PERFECT! Just what NG needs. Reword it to make it limit +6 instead of the while you cannot spot thing...and the cards usually put the strength bonus before the discard...


Not very often you can get a +6 strength bonus for only 2 twilight. It takes a little bit of time and effort to get that high, of course, but with the burden-adding cards Gollum has at his disposal--from the riddles of Lasting Alliances to all the cards Decipher has made--it could take no time at all.

My question: is it too easy? Should I make it more expensive or harder to build up or anything?

1 Only Curious Gollum
Event • Maneuver
Remove a threat and make Gollum strength -X (to a minimum of 0) to draw X cards. Then you may reveal each Gollum card drawn to make Gollum strength +2 for each card revealed.
“‘...otherwise he would have grabbed first and whispered afterwards.’”

We thinkses it is to tricksy to use. It would kill us, KILL US!

But that’s just the nature of the card... I think you cut the threat part and reword it to reveal X cards from top of your deck, make Gollum strength +2 for each card revealed, and then take them into hand.


Let’s face it: unless you use big pumps like Where Iss It?, Gollum isn’t much of a fighter. He makes a much better annoyance most of the time. Only Curious is a good example, taking away what little strength Gollum has and turning it into a lot of new cards in your hand.

Or does it? If you’re able to manipulate the draw deck well enough, Gollum’s strength doesn’t suffer at all, and you can actually make him stronger.

Think about it. Let’s say the top card you draw is a Gollum card. Gollum went strength -1 to get that, and +2 once you see it’s a Gollum card, so he ends up at strength +1. If you don’t get a Gollum card until the second card, Gollum goes strength -2, then strength +2, so he STILL breaks even. It’s really not unless you get particularly unlucky that he ends up going far backwards in strength...and if you get very lucky, he could be in double-digit strength by the time you’re done.
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sickofpalantirs
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:42 pm
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.
DáinIronfoot wrote:


2 Where Iss It? Gollum
Condition • Support Area
Each time a burden is added, spot no more than 3 tokens here to add a token here.
Maneuver: Discard this condition to make Gollum strength +2 for each token here.
“‘Losst it is, my precious, lost, lost! Curse us and crush us, my precious is lost!’”
the wording is bad just use Nbardens idea and it will be a lot simpler. are you sure you don’t want skirmish in that ability? if not make it until the regroup phase.

1 Only Curious Gollum
Event • Maneuver
Remove a threat and make Gollum strength -X (to a minimum of 0) to draw X cards. Then you may reveal each Gollum card drawn to make Gollum strength +2 for each card revealed.
“‘...otherwise he would have grabbed first and whispered afterwards.’”
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again unless it is meant to be skirmish, it needs to say until the regroup phase.
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Mouth of Saruman
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:00 pm
Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 190 Location: Orthanc
DáinIronfoot wrote:
You all have been so good with the reviews lately, even today (on a Saturday!), that I feel compelled to post yet another Duo. Well, that and Mouth of Saruman asked.


Anytime! Cool

DáinIronfoot wrote:
2 Where Iss It? Gollum
Condition • Support Area
Each time a burden is added, spot no more than 3 tokens here to add a token here.
Maneuver: Discard this condition to make Gollum strength +2 for each token here.

“‘Losst it is, my precious, lost, lost! Curse us and crush us, my precious is lost!’”


I agree with NBarden on the wording. Replace the spotting requirements with a limit to the amount of strength Gollum can gain.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 Only Curious Gollum
Event • Maneuver
Remove a threat and make Gollum strength -X (to a minimum of 0) to draw X cards. Then you may reveal each Gollum card drawn to make Gollum strength +2 for each card revealed.

“‘...otherwise he would have grabbed first and whispered afterwards.’”


Oh my! This card can make Gollum very powerful. In a deck that runs only Gollum cards (both Free People and Shadow), Gollum can become a beast. However, since he only has a base strength of 5, I think it balances out (he only gains as much as he previously had). I do believe I love this card.
NBarden
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:28 pm
Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 5468 Location: I don't know...
Mouth of Saruman wrote:

Oh my! This card can make Gollum very powerful. In a deck that runs only Gollum cards (both Free People and Shadow), Gollum can become a beast. However, since he only has a base strength of 5, I think it balances out (he only gains as much as he previously had). I do believe I love this card.


Huh? No. Solo Smeagol/NG + 4x Slippery as Fishes = OUCH! And if I’m saving two copies....ouchier.

4x combo, you sraw your deck and gollum is strength 208. Maybe a little bit, um...overpowered?

Without Slippery as fishes, better, but 80 strength w/ four copies is excessive. Geez, you’d need Durin III fully loaded with dwarven armor!
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:44 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
sickofpalantirs wrote:
Really dain you are dropping to D’s level.

NOOOOOOO! Take that back! Crying or Very sad

Razz Seriously, I must have been loopy when I made those mistakes. Sorry about that, fellas.

I made major tweaks to both cards, but especially to Only Curious. I made it a unique condition to avoid a potentially huge strength pump, which was obviously not what I intended. This is designed to be more of a card drawer than a real pump anyway.

Thanks for watching my back, everyone. Smile
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

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Also, if you're into DCs or RPGs (or even if you're not!), check out Realms of Middle-earth, the sequel to CG's "DC Adventure", Realms of the North!
BattleWarg
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:48 am
Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 579 Location:
Another back-watch note:

DáinIronfoot wrote:
]•Only Curious
Condition • Support Area
Maneuver: Make Gollum strength -X (to a minimum of 0) to reveal X cards from the top of your draw deck. Then make Gollum strength +2 for each card revealed and take all revealed cards into your hand. Discard this condition.
“‘...otherwise he would have grabbed first and whispered afterwards.’”

Each of the strength modifiers should last until the regroup phase. Otherwise, the strength loss does little to nothing, and neither does the strength boost.
sickofpalantirs
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:27 pm
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.
DáinIronfoot wrote:
sickofpalantirs wrote:
Really dain you are dropping to D’s level.

NOOOOOOO! Take that back! Crying or Very sad

after you fix the other mistake I will edit it out. Very Happy
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:03 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Dáin’s DC Duos #41

Well after the debacle that Duo #40 turned out to be (I KNEW I should have stopped after two Duos in the day! Razz), hopefully #41 will be without much controversy. Smile

By the way, if the cards in #40 STILL aren’t to your liking, let me know and I’ll fix them again. Mr. Green

Anyway. Today we have a couple more Gollum events, one where Gollum springs out of nowhere (much as he did to Bilbo in The Hobbit) and another where he slips off as suddenly as he appeared...at least for a while (as he ALSO did in The Hobbit). Obviously, these two cards work pretty well together: you can use one to take Gollum out of play and reap some benefits, and then use the other to bring him back for more mischief. Rinse and repeat, if you wish. Tricky, that Gollum is. Yes, precious. He’s always...sneeeeeaking, gollum, gollum!

Enjoy! Smile

0 Into the Dark Gollum
Event • Regroup
Discard a Gollum condition to choose one: return Gollum to his owner’s hand; or discard Gollum to add a burden or 2 threats.
“‘It won’t see us, will it, my precious? No. It won’t see us, and its nassty little sword will be useless, yes quite.’”

Ever since I saw Introspection and Momentous Gathering, I’ve been a big fan of this "choose one" thing. It makes for events that are very flexible, so you can adjust easier to whatever the situation is at the time. In this case, you can choose to pluck Gollum back into your hand to cause trouble another day (which is what you’ll probably want to do most of the time), or if he’s lived out his usefulness (say, like if you’ve run out of most of his support cards in your deck), you can get rid of him on your own and hurt the FP player in the process. Yes, precious, yesss.

1 What Iss He? Gollum
Event • Maneuver
Play Gollum from your draw deck or discard pile to make the Free Peoples player choose to either add a burden or exert 2 companions (or exert a Ring-bound companion).
“The hobbit jumped nearly out of his skin when the hiss came in his ears, and he suddenly saw the pale eyes sticking out at him.”

This is directly inspired by Captured by the Ring, which is very similar, but adds a threat instead of a burden. Considering that was way back in the Return of the King set, I think Gollum’s due for another card like this. How else is he to sneak up on those nasty little Hobbitses, precious? Gollum, gollum!

EDIT: Slight tweaks after SoP and BW reviewed.
EDIT: More tweaks after AC’s review.
Last edited by DáinIronfoot on Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:54 pm; edited 3 times in totalBest regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

Check out Lasting Alliances, The Road Ahead, and Ages of Middle-earth, three of my five dream card sets that make up Wars of the Ring. Oh, and I have a trade list now!

Also, if you're into DCs or RPGs (or even if you're not!), check out Realms of Middle-earth, the sequel to CG's "DC Adventure", Realms of the North!
sickofpalantirs
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:12 pm
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.
DáinIronfoot wrote:
Dáin’s DC Duos #41

By the way, if the cards in #40 STILL aren’t to your liking, let me know and I’ll fix them again. Mr. Green
Only curious’s strength bonus needs to be until the regroup phase.

Enjoy! Smile

0 Into the Dark Gollum
Event • Regroup
Discard a Gollum condition to choose one: remove a burden or a threat to return Gollum to his owner’s hand; or discard Gollum to add 2 burdens or 2 threats.
“‘It won’t see us, will it, my precious? No. It won’t see us, and its nassty little sword will be useless, yes quite.’”
very interesting. Though with corruption, make it to add a burden and a threat.

0 What Iss He? Gollum
Event • Maneuver
Play Gollum from your draw deck or discard pile to add a burden.
“The hobbit jumped nearly out of his skin when the hiss came in his ears, and he suddenly saw the pale eyes sticking out at him.”
its to good. Make it 1 twilight an it might be OK 2 might be better.
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