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| corvus |
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Felipe Musco wrote: Sorry, corvus, but I see you insist on what I think is a void argument. Yeah, skirmish wounds are mandatory, and yeah, threat wounds are mandatory, but YOU CANNOT PLACE THREAT WOUNDS UNLESS SOMEONE DIES, and since skirmishes ARE resolved ONE AT A TIME, it DOES happen like this:
1- Place wounds/overwhelm in a skirmish
2- If the companion died, place threat wounds
3- Move to another skirmish
Or am I terribly mistaken?
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| Merrick_Hale |
![]() Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:56 pm |
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From the Comprehensive Rules Book 4.0
action wrote: All required actions responding to a particular trigger are performed before any optional actions. After all such required actions have resolved, players may perform optional actions responding to that same trigger using the action procedure. (See response.)
1) Character loses the skirmish and wounds are placed/characters are overwhelmed.
2) If a character dies, threat wounds must be placed one at a time since this is a mandatory action resulting from a character hitting the dead pile.
3) After all wounds are placed, then you may respond to items triggered by losing the skirmish (Mind and body, etc.)
4) After all required responses take place, optional responses take place (as indicated by the word "may" in the game text of the card).
5) Skirmish ends after all optional responses and actions are completed.
*Edited* to fix a problem with the order. Sting, Bane of the Eight Legs should take place between steps 4 and 5 since it can only be used if the skirmish is about to end.
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| bobtheorc |
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| donimator |
![]() Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:57 pm |
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Merrick_Hale wrote: From the Comprehensive Rules Book 4.0
action wrote: All required actions responding to a particular trigger are performed before any optional actions. After all such required actions have resolved, players may perform optional actions responding to that same trigger using the action procedure. (See response.) So what has been said thus far is correct:
1) Character loses the skirmish and wounds are placed/characters are overwhelmed.
2) If a character dies, threat wounds must be placed one at a time since this is a mandatory action resulting from a character hitting the dead pile.
3) After all wounds are placed, then you may respond to items triggered by losing the skirmish (Sting, Bane of the eight legs, Mind and body, etc.)
4) After all required responses take place, optional responses take place (as indicated by the word "may" in the game text of the card).
5) Skirmish ends after all optional responses and actions are completed.
Regards,
Just a note about card choice carried through this example - Sting, Bane of the Eight Legs. Its effect triggers before the skirmish resolves. The character has not ’lost’ yet and no wounds have been placed. |
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| Merrick_Hale |
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donimator wrote: Just a note about card choice carried through this example - Sting, Bane of the Eight Legs. Its effect triggers before the skirmish resolves. The character has not ’lost’ yet and no wounds have been placed. Comprehensive Rules 4.0 wrote: Skirmish...A skirmish phase ends after all actions triggered by winning or losing that skirmish have resolved.
Thus if the bearer of Sting, Band of the Eight legs is overwhelmed, he is placed in the dead pile before the gametext can be used. |
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| donimator |
![]() Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:42 pm |
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Merrick_Hale wrote: donimator wrote: Just a note about card choice carried through this example - Sting, Bane of the Eight Legs. Its effect triggers before the skirmish resolves. The character has not ’lost’ yet and no wounds have been placed. That is incorrect. According to the rules, on skirmishes: Comprehensive Rules 4.0 wrote: Skirmish...A skirmish phase ends after all actions triggered by winning or losing that skirmish have resolved. Sting’s Gametext says that it can only be done "If a fierce skirmish involving bearer is about to end" The skirmish isn’t about to end until after strengths have been compared, a winner has been declared, wounds have been placed (or characters overwhelmed) and all responses to winning/losing the skirmish have taken place.
Thus if the bearer of Sting, Band of the Eight legs is overwhelmed, he is placed in the dead pile before the gametext can be used.
My apologies, MH, of course you’re right. I knew that one - that’s what you get for typing without thinking first!! |
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| elf lvr |
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| I have a question now with the one ring, any ring that can be put on during skirmish. So, since threat wounds happen BEFORE THE SKIRMISH ENDS, a player could put on the one ring then and there (like with the Ruling Ring, or AtAR) to take threat wounds as burdens, instead of killing off companions. Right? |
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| Merrick_Hale |
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If you are talking about rings that allow you to put them on as a response to taking a wound (The one Ring, Isildur’s Bane or The one Ring the ring of Rings) or taking a wound in a skirmish phase, then yes. HOWEVER, for rings that you have to put on as a skirmish action (The One Ring, Answer to All riddles or The One Ring, The Ring of Doom) this does not work. The skirmish resolves after both players have passed with their skirmish actions and special abilities and it is only after the skirmish has resolved and wounds have been placed/companions have been overwhelmed that the threats would trigger.
If a companion is killed in the skirmish (before both players have passed) with rings like ATAR and RoD, you would still have to put them on before the companion died. That is what makes RoR and IB so powerful, the wounds can be converted to burdens any time. |
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