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Glamdring
Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:14 pm
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wraithful wrote:
but would that apply to grond as well?


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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:26 pm
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bibfortuna25 wrote:
Yes, X can be zero for thsoe cards.


Bib is right, yet wrong at the same time. Definitely, for spotting, I.e. Spot X pipes, you can to choose to spot 4, 3, 1, or even zero pipes. As far as spotting is concerned, this is correct.

However, cards that require you to perform anything X times, such as removing tokens or exerting, cannot be used 0 times.

For example, Terrible and Evil. Gandalf cannot exert 0 times and then wound a nazgul. The card requires "x times" to do it.

The same thing goes for Grond. Removing X tokens would not be met if you remove none.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:34 pm
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Are you sure about the Grond thing?
Becuase my friends play that you can remove 0 tokens to discard a card with a twilight cost of zero, like Glimpse of Fate for example...
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 5:48 pm
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Celebrimbor wrote:
However, cards that require you to perform anything X times, such as removing tokens or exerting, cannot be used 0 times.


This is incorrect. Please check the rules recources before making rulings of your own. Check the CRD under the chapter "exert". It explains that only cards that need a character to exert cannot have 0 used as a number. That includes terrible and evil.

Celebrimbor wrote:
The same thing goes for Grond. Removing X tokens would not be met if you remove none.


Incorrect as per the afore mentioned reason. Grond, Hammer of the Underworld, may discard any illegible free peoples card with 0 twlight cost.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:44 pm
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0 can be used as X in any situation except for exertions. The rules say so. Why is there still arguement?
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