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| Thranduil |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:45 am |
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Foresight wrote:  • Frodo, Trustful 
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Signet: Smeagol
Ring-bearer (Resistance 10). While you can spot Smeagol with 0 resistance, he gains: "If Frodo dies, make Smeagol the Ring-bearer (Resistance 4)."
Skirmish: Discard a card from hand to make a companion who has the Smeagol signet strength +1.
I don’t like the idea of a smeagol signet, it suggests that smeagol was in control of Frodo and Sam, and I don’t think that was the case at all. It’s not the same as Aragorn or Gandalf or Theoden - people have their signets because they actually like them or they serve them or they’re friends. This isn’t true with smeagol. I would replace all smeagol signets with Frodo signets, as Frodo is definitely the focus of both Sam and Smeagol. Interesting card.
Foresight wrote:  • Sam, Untrustful
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Signet: Smeagol
Ring-bound. While you can spot Gollum or Smeagol, Sam cannot become the Ring-bearer.
Regroup: Exert a companion who has the Smeagol signet twice to discard an exhausted minion.
If Frodo dies, make Sam the Ring-bearer (Resistance 5).
Nice subtitles. Personally I’d just take out the bit about becoming the Ring-bearer, then you wouldn’t have to counter it.
Foresight wrote: Needed Guide
Event • Skirmish
Spot Smeagol to make a companion who has the Smeagol signet strength +2 (Or +4 if that companion is Frodo or Sam).
Like I said, I think it should be Frodo signet all the way, but perhaps cards like this should also say ring-bound.
Foresight wrote: • The Long Stairs
Condition • Support Area
Upkeep - Exert a companion who has the Smeagol signet. ( At the start of the regroup phase, you must exert a companion who has the Smeagol signet or discard this condition.)
Each companion who has the Smeagol signet is strength +2 (Or +3 if at a mountain),
Again Frodo and ring-bound. But nice card.
Foresight wrote: Questioning Aggrivation
Event • Maneuver
Spot a companion who has the Smeagol signet to reveal the top card of your draw deck. If that card is a  card, you may discard it to heal Smeagol (Or remove a burden if that card is a card).
Rephrase the last bit ’... to heal Smeagol. If it is a card, you may remove a burden.’ Probably should be  .
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| DáinIronfoot |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:59 am |
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| I agree with Thranduil about everything except Sam, who I think is fine as-is. Never liked the idea of a Smeagol signet, personally. WLC used to be big into it too. |
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| WeyounsLastClone |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:11 am |
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Do I hear the words Smeagol signet? Cool. 
Foresight wrote:
• Frodo, Trustful
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Signet: Smeagol
Ring-bearer (Resistance 10). While you can spot Smeagol with 0 resistance, he gains: "If Frodo dies, make Smeagol the Ring-bearer (Resistance 4)."
Skirmish: Discard a card from hand to make a companion who has the Smeagol signet strength +1.
Cool. Maybe have him boost only other companions, otherwise it might get powerful.
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• Sam, Untrustful
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Signet: Smeagol
Ring-bound. While you can spot Gollum or Smeagol, Sam cannot become the Ring-bearer.
Regroup: Exert a companion who has the Smeagol signet twice to discard an exhausted minion.
If Frodo dies, make Sam the Ring-bearer (Resistance 5).
Great! Well thought of and balanced gametext.
Foresight wrote:
Needed Guide
Event • Skirmish
Spot Smeagol to make a companion who has the Smeagol signet strength +2 (Or +4 if that companion is Frodo or Sam).
Basic but effective.
Foresight wrote:
• The Long Stairs
Condition • Support Area
Upkeep - Exert a companion who has the Smeagol signet. ( At the start of the regroup phase, you must exert a companion who has the Smeagol signet or discard this condition.)
Each companion who has the Smeagol signet is strength +2 (Or +3 if at a mountain)
I think this one is too powerful. The idea is nice though.
Foresight wrote:
Questioning Aggrivation
Event • Maneuver
Spot a companion who has the Smeagol signet to reveal the top card of your draw deck. If that card is a card, you may discard it to heal Smeagol (Or remove a burden if that card is a card).
Don’t know if the wording in the end works out. And it’s a bit too expensive right now, I think. |
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| legoles3333 |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:31 am |
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| Drop The Long Stairs text to +1 or increase the upkeep |
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| sickofpalantirs |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:43 pm |
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Foresight wrote: • Frodo, Trustful
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Signet: Smeagol
Ring-bearer (Resistance 10). While you can spot Smeagol with 0 resistance, he gains: "If Frodo dies, make Smeagol the Ring-bearer (Resistance 4)."
Skirmish: Discard a card from hand to make a companion who has the Smeagol signet strength +1.
I wuv it adding a new signet is dumb though IMHO just use frodo.
• Sam, Untrustful
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Signet: Smeagol
Ring-bound. While you can spot Gollum or Smeagol, Sam cannot become the Ring-bearer.
Regroup: Exert a companion who has the Smeagol signet twice to discard an exhausted minion.
If Frodo dies, make Sam the Ring-bearer (Resistance 5).
cool make it minion period.
Needed Guide
Event • Skirmish
Spot Smeagol to make a companion who has the Smeagol signet strength +2 (Or +4 if that companion is Frodo or Sam).
ditto frodo
• The Long Stairs
Condition • Support Area
Upkeep - Exert a companion who has the Smeagol signet. ( At the start of the regroup phase, you must exert a companion who has the Smeagol signet or discard this condition.)
Each companion who has the Smeagol signet is strength +2 (Or +3 if at a mountain),
1-2 as Leggo3 seuggested IMHO
Questioning Aggrivation
Event • Maneuver
Spot a companion who has the Smeagol signet to reveal the top card of your draw deck. If that card is a card, you may discard it to heal Smeagol (Or remove a burden if that card is a card).
maybe or wound smeagol. |
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| Foresight |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:45 pm |
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Again, thanks for the reviews. I’m glad I have at least ONE fan of the Smeagol signet. (Go WLC!) Here’s some more for ya!
•Sting, Peacekeeper
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength: +2
Upkeep - Exert bearer. (At the start of the regroup phase, you must exert bearer or discard Sting.)
Bearer must be Frodo or Sam.
Skirmish: If bearer has the Smeagol signet, exert him to cancel a skirmish involving another companion who has the Smeagol signet.
 •An Unfinished Tale
Condition • Support Area
Tale. Toil 1. At the start of each turn, you may discard this condition to shuffle your hand into your draw deck; then draw 8 cards.
Response: If Bilbo or Frodo just won a skirmish, you may discard this condition to count the number of cards in your hand, shuffle them into your draw deck, then draw that many cards.
Smeagol’s Pity
Condition
Resistance: -1
Bearer must be a Ring-bound Hobbit.
While you can spot Smeagol or Gollum, bearer gains the Smeagol signet.
Last Ditch Effort
Event • Response
If Sam just became the Ring-bearer, he wears The One Ring and remove all wounds on him to prevent burdens from being added by Shadow cards until the regroup phase (and double the amount of burdens added from The One Ring’s gametext).
•Under Suspicion
Condition
Resistance: -1
Bearer must be Smeagol.
Each time Gollum is played, add a burden and exert Smeagol.
Regroup: If Smeagol has at least 1 resistance, exert him and spot a Ring-bound Hobbit that has the Smeagol signet to remove a burden. |
In his eyes was the look of a hunted beast seeking some gap in the ring of his enemies.  |
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| WeyounsLastClone |
![]() Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:36 am |
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Foresight wrote:
• Sting, Peacekeeper
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength: +2
Upkeep - Exert bearer. ( At the start of the regroup phase, you must exert bearer or discard Sting.)
Bearer must be Frodo or Sam.
Skirmish: If bearer has the Smeagol signet, exert him to cancel a skirmish involving another companion who has the Smeagol signet.
Cool. I love what you do with the signet. Shows there were a lot more things to do with signets even though D kicked them
Foresight wrote:
• An Unfinished Tale
Condition • Support Area
Tale. Toil 1. At the start of each turn, you may discard this condition to shuffle your hand into your draw deck; then draw 8 cards.
Response: If Bilbo or Frodo just won a skirmish, you may discard this condition to count the number of cards in your hand, shuffle them into your draw deck, then draw that many cards.
Love the idea behind this card. I don’t know how powerful it is, but seems balanced to me.
Foresight wrote:
Smeagol’s Pity
Condition
Resistance: -1
Bearer must be a Ring-bound Hobbit.
While you can spot Smeagol or Gollum, bearer gains the Smeagol signet.
Great! I think this show perfectly why a Smeagol-signet can exist in addition to a Frodo-signet. Without Smeagol, Frodo and Sam would never have made it to Mount Doom. But there’s a bit of duality in it, in that going with Smeagol is also dangerous. The Frodo-signet, I feel, is mostly for everyone trying to get Frodo to succeed (be it ringbound or unbound), the Smeagol-signet is for ringbound that shows the duality of needing Smeagol for the quest.
Foresight wrote:
Last Ditch Effort
Event • Response
If Sam just became the Ring-bearer, he wears The One Ring and remove all wounds on him to prevent burdens from being added by Shadow cards until the regroup phase (and double the amount of burdens added from The One Ring’s gametext).
Title seems a bit cheesy, although it fits the text. Nice idea.
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• Under Suspicion
Condition
Resistance: -1
Bearer must be Smeagol.
Each time Gollum is played, add a burden and exert Smeagol.
Regroup: If Smeagol has at least 1 resistance, exert him and spot a Ring-bound Hobbit that has the Smeagol signet to remove a burden.
Awesome! |
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| Thranduil |
![]() Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:09 am |
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Foresight wrote: • Sting, Peacekeeper
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength: +2
Upkeep - Exert bearer. ( At the start of the regroup phase, you must exert bearer or discard Sting.)
Bearer must be Frodo or Sam.
Skirmish: If bearer has the Smeagol signet, exert him to cancel a skirmish involving another companion who has the Smeagol signet.
I can’t think of a point with Smeagol around that Sam used Sting, so I’d probably just say ’Bearer must be Frodo’. Nice.
Foresight wrote: • An Unfinished Tale
Condition • Support Area
Tale. Toil 1. At the start of each turn, you may discard this condition to shuffle your hand into your draw deck; then draw 8 cards.
Response: If Bilbo or Frodo just won a skirmish, you may discard this condition to count the number of cards in your hand, shuffle them into your draw deck, then draw that many cards.
Very interesting. Good title.
Foresight wrote: Smeagol’s Pity
Condition
Resistance: -1
Bearer must be a Ring-bound Hobbit.
While you can spot Smeagol or Gollum, bearer gains the Smeagol signet.
A good way to introduce the Smeagol signet, but I still think it should be Frodo all the way.
Foresight wrote: Last Ditch Effort
Event • Response
If Sam just became the Ring-bearer, he wears The One Ring and remove all wounds on him to prevent burdens from being added by Shadow cards until the regroup phase (and double the amount of burdens added from The One Ring’s gametext).
Far too complicated and mixed up. I’d change it to a condition with: ’Response:’ If Sam just became the Ring-bearer, transfer this condition to The One Ring’ or play it from hand, whichever you’d prefer. Then, ’While the One Ring bears this condition, Sam must wear the Ring, burdens cannot be added by Shadow cards and each time a burden is added, add an additional burden.’ That’s a lot clearer, and you don’t have to remember it as it’s always in play, and it could be more interesting as it misses out the regroup bit (though you could easily put that back in if you’d prefer).
Foresight wrote: • Under Suspicion
Condition
Resistance: -1
Bearer must be Smeagol.
Each time Gollum is played, add a burden and exert Smeagol.
Regroup: If Smeagol has at least 1 resistance, exert him and spot a Ring-bound Hobbit that has the Smeagol signet to remove a burden.
Change the first bit to ’or’, otherwise I can’t see myself using it.
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| legoles3333 |
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| sickofpalantirs |
![]() Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:13 am |
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Foresight wrote: Again, thanks for the reviews. I’m glad I have at least ONE fan of the Smeagol signet. (Go WLC!) Here’s some more for ya!
• Sting, Peacekeeper
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength: +2
Upkeep - Exert bearer. ( At the start of the regroup phase, you must exert bearer or discard Sting.)
Bearer must be Frodo or Sam.
Skirmish: If bearer has the Smeagol signet, exert him to cancel a skirmish involving another companion who has the Smeagol signet.
cool!
• An Unfinished Tale
Condition • Support Area
Tale. Toil 1. At the start of each turn, you may discard this condition to shuffle your hand into your draw deck; then draw 8 cards.
Response: If Bilbo or Frodo just won a skirmish, you may discard this condition to count the number of cards in your hand, shuffle them into your draw deck, then draw that many cards.
cool cut cost to 2 and cut the toil
Smeagol’s Pity
Condition
Resistance: -1
Bearer must be a Ring-bound Hobbit.
While you can spot Smeagol or Gollum, bearer gains the Smeagol signet.
cool
Last Ditch Effort
Event • Response
If Sam just became the Ring-bearer, he wears The One Ring and remove all wounds on him to prevent burdens from being added by Shadow cards until the regroup phase (and double the amount of burdens added from The One Ring’s gametext).
cut cost to 2
• Under Suspicion
Condition
Resistance: -1
Bearer must be Smeagol.
Each time Gollum is played, add a burden and exert Smeagol.
Regroup: If Smeagol has at least 1 resistance, exert him and spot a Ring-bound Hobbit that has the Smeago
cooll signet to remove a burden. |
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