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| sickofpalantirs |
![]() Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:29 pm |
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Thranduil wrote: Okay, I’ll plough through and hope you’re convinced by the end.
 • Oin and • Gloin, Disgruntled Companions 
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 7
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Composite.
While you can spot a Dwarf, this companion’s twilight cost is -1.
Each time a possession or artifact is played on Gandalf, you may remove .
Each time a possession or artifact is played on Bilbo, you may heal this companion.
Then the rain began to pour down worse than ever, and Oin and Gloin began to fight.
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Thranduil
shoudl be something about playing possessions/artifacts on dwarves |
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| Thranduil |
![]() Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:49 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: To be frank, I’m not sure I like the idea of a combined Kili and Fili having only 5 strength. I understand it, certainly, especially with the text. But t just strikes me as...off somehow.
Which just shows the difference in creativity, for while your dual cards are certainly interesting, I wasn’t convinced by them either. My problems with them are that I don’t think companions should ever have such high base strengths and they’d be too expensive, which poses a problem especially with regards to starting fellowships (though you probably didn’t base a strategy around them like I have).
DáinIronfoot wrote: As they stand now, I think the abilities are too good for  -cost companions. I know it certainly encourages unusual fellowships, which is what you’re going for, but they just seem too good with their low costs.
I understand this point entirely, but it leaves me in a serious pickle.
I suppose the question boils down to how much of a disadvantage it is having a single companion prevent you from playing 2 or 3 others (and vice versa), even in your dead pile. Would it be generally better if the composites counted as the number of Dwarves in them?
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| lem0nhead |
![]() Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:10 am |
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Thranduil wrote: Okay, I’ll plough through and hope you’re convinced by the end.
• Oin and • Gloin, Disgruntled Companions
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 7
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Composite.
While you can spot a Dwarf, this companion’s twilight cost is -1.
Each time a possession or artifact is played on Gandalf, you may remove .
Each time a possession or artifact is played on Bilbo, you may heal this companion.
Then the rain began to pour down worse than ever, and Oin and Gloin began to fight.
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Thranduil
Wow cool.
As far as the Thran/DI composite debate goes i think thran got it dead on when he said its just the difference in creativity between you 2 guys. I wasnt convinced about them originally but i can see them in a new light now whereas i saw what Dain was doing and it was ok but i shared Thrans fears that they were to costly and too strong.
I think you have to agree to differ. |
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"Smart guy, especially considering his head is filled with lemon juice and seeds. That boy’s juicy brain is FULL of good stuff" ~ DainIronfoot
"No fair! And all I got was an oily unconscious steward!" ~ Pippin.
"Okay, stop me if you've heard this one. An elf, a man, and a dwarf walk into the Riddermark..." ~ Eomer |
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| Anvar |
![]() Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:07 am |
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I don’t know if this is a good idea or not, but it struck me that Composite could have an interesting drawback, allowing you to make the characters more powerful.
What about if they only count as a single companion for the purposes of the rule of 9, but as the number of companions as they have uniqueness dots for all other purposes? Of course, things like Anduin Banks suddenly become very very dangerous, and the companions would have to have good enough abilities to offset that.
Like I said, I’m not sure it’s a good idea, and actually the current form is a lot simpler (and therefore perhaps better) but it is interesting.
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| Thranduil |
![]() Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:12 am |
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Anvar wrote: I don’t know if this is a good idea or not, but it struck me that Composite could have an interesting drawback, allowing you to make the characters more powerful.
What about if they only count as a single companion for the purposes of the rule of 9, but as the number of companions as they have uniqueness dots for all other purposes? Of course, things like Anduin Banks suddenly become very very dangerous, and the companions would have to have good enough abilities to offset that.
Like I said, I’m not sure it’s a good idea, and actually the current form is a lot simpler (and therefore perhaps better) but it is interesting.
Anvar
That is very interesting, but I think unnecessarily complex. And think about Anduin Banks with 15 companions though only 9 cards each with an average of 3 vitality - that would be insane.
I accept that the composites have, to some extent a built in drawback, and a similar idea to Anvar’s could be used to counter-balance it. What if the composites counted as the number of Dwarves as listed, but only one companion? Would this work?
So I don’t stall, bear that issue in mind while I continue. The reason this guy has a locked ability is because Balin and Dwalin have an instrument for them which Unlocks them, which is not the case for any previous composites.
 • Balin and • Dwalin, Noble Companions
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 7
Vit: 4
Res: 7
Composite.
Locked: Bilbo is damage +1.
Fellowship: Exert this companion to play a tale from your draw deck.
When he got back, Balin and Dwalin were talking at the table like old friends (as a matter of fact they were brothers).
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Last edited by Thranduil on Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:13 pm; edited 1 time in total'We do what we do because of who we are. If we did otherwise, we would not be ourselves.'
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| sickofpalantirs |
![]() Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:12 pm |
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| I am still getting used to the idea. their second ability should be knocked down to one exertion IMHO |
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| lem0nhead |
![]() Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:40 pm |
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Thranduil wrote:
• Balin and • Dwalin, Noble Companions
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 7
Vit: 4
Res: 7
Composite.
Locked: Bilbo is damage +1.
Fellowship: Exert this companion to play a tale from your draw deck.
When he got back, Balin and Dwalin were talking at the table like old friends (as a matter of fact they were brothers).
H2 R 1
Thranduil
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"Smart guy, especially considering his head is filled with lemon juice and seeds. That boy’s juicy brain is FULL of good stuff" ~ DainIronfoot
"No fair! And all I got was an oily unconscious steward!" ~ Pippin.
"Okay, stop me if you've heard this one. An elf, a man, and a dwarf walk into the Riddermark..." ~ Eomer |
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![]() Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:32 pm |
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This is the last one, I believe. Next I’ll move onto the Dwarves of the Iron Hills and the Battle of the Five Armies.
• Bifur and • Bofur, Large Companions
Companion • Dwarf
Str: 6
Vit: 3
Res: 6
Composite.
Locked: Fellowship: Discard a event from your hand to play a  or  condition from your discard pile.
Maneuver: Discard a condition to take into hand a or event from your discard pile.
’It is not like you, Bilbo, to keep friends waiting on the mat, and then open the door like a pop-gun! Let me introduce Bifur, [and] Bofur...’
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Last edited by Thranduil on Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:29 am; edited 1 time in total'We do what we do because of who we are. If we did otherwise, we would not be ourselves.'
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| lem0nhead |
![]() Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:29 am |
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| Both locked? And theyre not that good. I would alter these guys. Dont know how but it doesnt seem that good. |
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"Smart guy, especially considering his head is filled with lemon juice and seeds. That boy’s juicy brain is FULL of good stuff" ~ DainIronfoot
"No fair! And all I got was an oily unconscious steward!" ~ Pippin.
"Okay, stop me if you've heard this one. An elf, a man, and a dwarf walk into the Riddermark..." ~ Eomer |
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| sickofpalantirs |
![]() Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:50 am |
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| they definitly do not seem that good. |
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