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DáinIronfoot

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:52 pm

Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA

Thranduil wrote:

Reduced vitality on Wicked Beast then increased the strength. How is it now? I think it could be quite powerful, because you can play it after ambush bonuses and other later twilight adding that the Orc

culture likes to do.

I think I’d still make it assignment instead of skirmish. Dropping a bomb like that after assignments have already been made is a bit much, methinks.

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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:55 pm

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DáinIronfoot wrote:

Thranduil wrote:

culture likes to do.

I think I’d still make it assignment instead of skirmish. Dropping a bomb like that after assignments have already been made is a bit much, methinks.

I’m wary to do that because most of the twilight adding is in the skirmish phase, and ambush twilight happens in the assignment phase.

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DáinIronfoot

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:08 pm

Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA

Thranduil wrote:

DáinIronfoot wrote:

Thranduil wrote:

culture likes to do.

I think I’d still make it assignment instead of skirmish. Dropping a bomb like that after assignments have already been made is a bit much, methinks.

I’m wary to do that because most of the twilight adding is in the skirmish phase, and ambush twilight happens in the assignment phase.

Yeah, I can understand that. Hmmm. Think

Perhaps give the skirmish-phase-playing another cost, like removing a little extra twilight (probably what I’d recommend) or exerting a Warg twice. Do all your Wargs have at least 3 vitality?

Thranduil

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:10 pm

Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 2256 Location:

DáinIronfoot wrote:

Yeah, I can understand that. Hmmm. Think

Perhaps give the skirmish-phase-playing another cost, like removing a little extra twilight (probably what I’d recommend) or exerting a Warg twice. Do all your Wargs have at least 3 vitality?

Most of them yes - in contrast to the Orcs that only have 2 at maximum.

That is certainly interesting, and I will think on it. In the mean time, have a

for such an in-depth review, and for having a dirty mind about Wargs riding other Wargs... Laughing

Thranduil

DáinIronfoot

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:14 pm

Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA

Thranduil wrote:

DáinIronfoot wrote:

Yeah, I can understand that. Hmmm. Think

Perhaps give the skirmish-phase-playing another cost, like removing a little extra twilight (probably what I’d recommend) or exerting a Warg twice. Do all your Wargs have at least 3 vitality?

Most of them yes - in contrast to the Orcs that only have 2 at maximum.

Yeah, then you could optionally exert a Warg twice as the cost. I think the extra twilight (even if it’s just

) might be enough, though, and I’d probably still recommend that.

Thranduil wrote:

That is certainly interesting, and I will think on it. In the mean time, have a

for such an in-depth review, and for having a dirty mind about Wargs riding other Wargs... Laughing

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sickofpalantirs

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:31 pm

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Thranduil wrote:

Wicked Beast Orc

Condition
Str: +5
Vit: +2
Bearer must be an Orc

Warg.
Limit 1 per bearer.
Bearer is fierce.
You may exert a Warg to play this condition any time you could play a skirmish event.
Without warning a storm of howls broke out fierce and wild all about the camp.
H2 R 137
WAy too much cost. cut cost by 1-2. wargs were always overcosted anyway Wink

As for another:

Insatiable Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 7
Vit: 3
Sit: 5
Skirmish: Spot 5 twilight tokens and exert this minion twice to make a Orc

Warg or mounted Orc

Orc fierce or damage +1 until the regroup phase.
... with their tongues hanging out and their eyes shining as red and fierce as the flames.
H2 U 125
I think I sense the combo now...but I don’t know if it is that good of an idea.

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Thranduil

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:37 pm

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I think these are now the last three Wargs.

Snapping Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 6
Vit: 2
Sit: 5
At the start if each skirmish involving this minion, you may exert it and remove

to play an Orc

condition from your discard pile.
... the commotion they made filled the forest.
H2 U 133

• Snarling Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 9
Vit: 3
Sit: 5
While you can spot 5 twilight tokens, each non-exhausted Orc

Warg (and mounted Orc

Orc ) gains terror 1,
... there were howls all around them now, getting nearer and nearer.
H2 R 134

Ravenous Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 9
Vit: 3
Sit: 5
Skirmish: Remove

to make an Orc

Warg or mounted Orc

Orc vitality +1.
Skirmish: Remove

to make an Orc

Warg (or mounted Orc

Orc) with 3 or more vitality strength +1.
Skirmish: Remove

to make an Orc

Warg (or mounted Orc

Orc) with 4 or more vitality damage +1.
H2 R 131

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Anonymous Prodigy

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:50 pm

Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 4197 Location: United States

Thranduil wrote:

Snapping Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 6
Vit: 2
Sit: 5
Skirmish: Remove

and exert this minion to play an Orc

condition from your discard pile.
... the commotion they made filled the forest.
H2 U 133

Kind of like a balanced Orkish Smith. Thumbs Up

Thranduil wrote:

• Snarling Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 9
Vit: 3
Sit: 5
While you can spot 5 twilight tokens, each Orc

Orc and

Warg gains terror 1.
... there were howls all around them now, getting nearer and nearer.
H2 R 134

Cool.

Thranduil wrote:

Ravenous Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 9
Vit: 3
Sit: 5
Skirmish: Remove

to make an Orc

Warg or mounted Orc

Orc vitality +1.
Skirmish: Remove

to make an Orc

Warg (or mounted Orc

Orc) with 3 or more vitality strength +1.
Skirmish: Remove

to make an Orc

Warg (or mounted Orc

Orc) with 5 or more vitality damage +1.
H2 R 131

I would make the first ability prevent a wound instead. Thumbs Up

I had to put something here.

DáinIronfoot

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:09 pm

Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA

Thranduil wrote:

Snapping Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 6
Vit: 2
Sit: 5
Skirmish: Remove

and exert this minion to play an Orc

condition from your discard pile.
... the commotion they made filled the forest.
H2 U 133

I think this could get more broken than Orkish Smith, especially with a Wicked Beast on it. Make it so you can only do it when the Warg wins a skirmish, and probably only once for each win. Gives more incentive to try and make it fierce then, too. Thumbs Up

Thranduil wrote:

• Snarling Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 9
Vit: 3
Sit: 5
While you can spot 5 twilight tokens, each Orc

Orc and

Warg gains terror 1.
... there were howls all around them now, getting nearer and nearer.
H2 R 134

Okie-doke.

Thranduil wrote:

Ravenous Warg Orc

Minion • Warg
Str: 9
Vit: 3
Sit: 5
Skirmish: Remove

to make an Orc

Warg or mounted Orc

Orc vitality +1.
Skirmish: Remove

to make an Orc

Warg (or mounted Orc

Orc) with 3 or more vitality strength +1.
Skirmish: Remove

to make an Orc

Warg (or mounted Orc

Orc) with 5 or more vitality damage +1.
H2 R 131

Now Snapping Warg is REALLY broken. But aside from crazy combos like that, I think this is okay. You MAY want to limit that first ability to only Wargs, as I fear people would find a way to break it otherwise with certain Orcs.