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Thranduil |
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:50 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: "(except the Ring-bearer)", as otherwise, this could be instant corruption.
I’m not so sure, because firstly you have to have a wounded Wraith and make them strength -2, and it’s the Free Peoples player’s choice who to assign. Convince me and I’ll happily change it.
Consider Enemy of Old changed.
Now for some more conditions, after which I think some Nazgul are in order
• Terrors of Dol Guldur
Condition • Support
At the start of each skirmish involving a minion and a companion with resistance 2 or less, you may exert that minion.
Response: If a twilight minion wins a skirmish, discard this condition to add a burden.
H3 C 174
• Call of the Rings
Condition • Support Area
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each twilight minion is fierce.
Skirmish: Heal an enduring Nazgul to discard a ring artifact borne by a companion they are skirmishing. Discard this condition.
H3 R 155
And the first of a rare cycle of Shadow cards that put Locking and Unlocking into a whole new perspective:
• City of Evil
Condition • Support Area
At the start of the maneuver phase, the Free Peoples player may add a burden to Unlock this condition until the regroup phase.
Each minion is damage +1.
Locked: Each minion is vitality -1.
H3 R 144
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DáinIronfoot |
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:14 pm |
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Thranduil wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: "(except the Ring-bearer)", as otherwise, this could be instant corruption.
I’m not so sure, because firstly you have to have a wounded Wraith and make them strength -2, and it’s the Free Peoples player’s choice who to assign. Convince me and I’ll happily change it.
There are several ways to assign Nazgul (and other minions) to a specific companion, including the Ring-bearer...Return To Its Master, for example. It’s not much, but there ARE ways, and they would lead to very powerful (if not all-out broken) combos. It’s just safer to exclude the RB, I think.
Thranduil wrote: • Terrors of Dol Guldur
Condition • Support
At the start of each skirmish involving a minion and a companion with resistance 3 or less, you may exert that minion.
Response: If a twilight minion wins a skirmish, discard this condition to add a burden.
H3 C 174
You forgot "Area". Might want to toss in a little cultural enforcement so that non- twilight minions can’t use the second part so easily...but it’s not strictly necessary, I don’t think, since there are so few such minions.
Thranduil wrote: • Call of the Rings
Condition • Support Area
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each twilight minion is strength +1 and fierce.
Skirmish: Heal an enduring Nazgul to discard a ring artifact borne by a companion they are skirmishing. Discard this condition.
H3 R 155
YIKES! The old twilight Nazzies just got a BIG boost! Maybe too big...see what other reviewers say. I think you can drop "artifact", since I don’t know of any non-artifact rings.
Thranduil wrote: • City of Evil
Condition • Support Area
At the start of the maneuver phase, the Free Peoples player may add a burden to Unlock this condition until the regroup phase.
Each Nazgul gains toil 1.
Locked: Each minion is vitality -1.
H3 R 144
I’m not sure I completely get it. Why would the FP player EVER want to unlock this? Wouldn’t they want to lock it instead? |
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:26 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: Thranduil wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: "(except the Ring-bearer)", as otherwise, this could be instant corruption.
I’m not so sure, because firstly you have to have a wounded Wraith and make them strength -2, and it’s the Free Peoples player’s choice who to assign. Convince me and I’ll happily change it.
There are several ways to assign Nazgul (and other minions) to a specific companion, including the Ring-bearer... Return To Its Master, for example. It’s not much, but there ARE ways, and they would lead to very powerful (if not all-out broken) combos. It’s just safer to exclude the RB, I think.
The same argument would apply to Blade Tip or Black Breath.
I may change it however.
DáinIronfoot wrote: YIKES! The old twilight Nazzies just got a BIG boost! Maybe too big...see what other reviewers say. I think you can drop "artifact", since I don’t know of any non-artifact rings.
I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn’t talking about The One Ring given that it’s the subject of the first ability.
DáinIronfoot wrote: I’m not sure I completely get it. Why would the FP player EVER want to unlock this? Wouldn’t they want to lock it instead?
You would want to Lock the first ability, but wouldn’t you want all enduring minions to be -1 vitality? If they manage to Lock the whole card, then good for them as the Unlocking trigger on the card itself would be unusable. But, if you can’t Lock it, you can give the Shadow player something they want to give you something you want.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:03 pm |
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Thranduil wrote:
• Terrors of Dol Guldur
Condition • Support
At the start of each skirmish involving a minion and a companion with resistance 3 or less, you may exert that minion.
Response: If a twilight minion wins a skirmish, discard this condition to add a burden.
H3 C 174
You missed the word area off. Awesome condition may need cost 3 though and id lower it to res 2.
• Call of the Rings
Condition • Support Area
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each twilight minion is strength +1 and fierce.
Skirmish: Heal an enduring Nazgul to discard a ring artifact borne by a companion they are skirmishing. Discard this condition.
H3 R 155
Sweeeeet. Although "and fierce" is nasty, id consider changing that to something else less evil.
• City of Evil
Condition • Support Area
At the start of the maneuver phase, the Free Peoples player may add a burden to Unlock this condition until the regroup phase.
Each Nazgul gains toil 1.
Locked: Each minion is vitality -1.
H3 R 144
Perculiar but acceptable in terms of mechanism. Unfortunately i think its too nasty either the locked part needs to be harsher or the toil bit needs to be strength +1 or something similar. Toil is awesome even if they werent enduring.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:46 pm |
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Thranduil wrote:
• Terrors of Dol Guldur
Condition • Support
At the start of each skirmish involving a minion and a companion with resistance 3 or less, you may exert that minion.
Response: If a twilight minion wins a skirmish, discard this condition to add a burden.
H3 C 174
maybe each time it is assigned to a skirmish.
• Call of the Rings
Condition • Support Area
While the Ring-bearer wears The One Ring, each twilight minion is strength +1 and fierce.
Skirmish: Heal an enduring Nazgul to discard a ring artifact borne by a companion they are skirmishing. Discard this condition.
H3 R 155
while, first of all NO DISCARDING ARTIFACTS!!!!! second of all, I see why this is necessary. limit it to dwarven rings and I will let you live. it makes more sense story wise that way annyways.
• City of Evil
Condition • Support Area
At the start of the maneuver phase, the Free Peoples player may add a burden to Unlock this condition until the regroup phase.
Each Nazgul gains toil 1.
Locked: Each minion is vitality -1.
H3 R 144
very interesting. how does it get locked? |
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:14 pm |
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Changed each card. Any complaints, don’t hesitate to tell me.
Here’s some more twilight stuff, because we all love twilight minions!
Wraith-World (reprint)
Event • Skirmish
Spot a twilight Nazgul and the Ring-bearer wearing The One Ring to add 3 burdens.
H3 R 188
Weakening Resolve (semi-reprint)
Event • Assignment
Heal an enduring minion to exert the Ring-bearer. If that minion was a Nazgul and the Ring-bearer is then exhausted, he or she must wear The One Ring until the regroup phase.
H3 U 184
Now, there’s all this twilight stuff, but so far only 2 cards that make minions twilight (Dread Wraith and Terrible Wraith above), so how about we double that!
• Ring of Despair
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgul.
Bearer gains fierce and twilight.
Response: If a player reconciles, return bearer to your hand.
H3 C 161
• Ring of Shadow
Artifact • Ring
Vit: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgul.
Bearer gains terror 1 and twilight.
Response: If a player reconciles, return bearer to your hand.
H3 R 162
And while we’re on a very similar subject:
Winged Beast
Possession • Mount
Vit: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgul.
Bearer gains winged and terror 1.
A creature of an older world, maybe it was, whose kind, lingering in forgotten mountains cold beneath the Moon, outstayed their day, and in hideous eyrie bred this last untimely brood, apt to evil.
H3 U 185
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:23 pm |
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Thranduil wrote:
• Ring of Twilight
Artifact • Ring
Vit: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgul.
Bearer gains terror 1 and twilight.
Regroup: If a player reconciles, return bearer to your hand.
H3 R 162
There must be a better name than this. Ring of Shadow, Ring of Torment, Ring of Pain...
And while we’re on a very similar subject:
Winged Beast
Possession • Mount
Str: +2
Vit: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgul.
Bearer gains winged and terror 1.
A creature of an older world, maybe it was, whose kind, lingering in forgotten mountains cold beneath the Moon, outstayed their day, and in hideous eyrie bred this last untimely brood, apt to evil.
H3 U 185
This seems very powerful, especially for Dol Guldur. remember that the Wraith’s flying mounts weren’t revealed until the War of the Ring. A black steed might be a more appropriate mount for this set, though I see that it would lose the winged keyword.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:26 pm |
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Anvar wrote: There must be a better name than this. Ring of Shadow, Ring of Torment, Ring of Pain...
Point taken.
Anvar wrote: This seems very powerful, especially for Dol Guldur. remember that the Wraith’s flying mounts weren’t revealed until the War of the Ring. A black steed might be a more appropriate mount for this set, though I see that it would lose the winged keyword.
Yes, but I wanted to make a winged fell-beast, and that’s hard to do if it’s a horse! Also, remember that winged can actually be a disadvantage to enduring minions, because they can only take 1 wound per phase.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:56 pm |
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Thranduil wrote:
• Ring of Despair
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgul.
Bearer gains fierce and twilight.
Regroup: If a player reconciles, return bearer to your hand.
H3 C 161
• Ring of Shadow
Artifact • Ring
Vit: +1
Bearer must be a Nazgul.
Bearer gains terror 1 and twilight.
Regroup: If a player reconciles, return bearer to your hand.
H3 R 162
Shouldn’t both of those be response actions, not regroup?
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:55 pm |
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AgentDrake wrote: Shouldn’t both of those be response actions, not regroup?
for spotting my careless (deliberate ) mistake!
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