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| menace64 |
![]() Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:48 am |
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I am going to conduct an experiment here. What if, instead of throwing things like Watcher in the Water, The Balrog, Mumakil, and etc. into other cultures, there was one to house them all? That would make them more independent, more splashable, and open up a whole new can of strategy.
One of the big benefits to a creature culture is that you can make mumakil, fell beasts, and other deadly perils into minions without the baggage of a new keyword or clunky text (like old school tentacles had).
So let’s just give it a whirl... starting with something new.
  Mumakil Line-breaker 
Minion - Mumak
Strength 18
Vitality 4
Site Number 5
Each other Mumak minion is twilight cost -2.
Skirmish: Discard 2 Men from hand to make this minion damage +2.
 Beast of Morgul
Minion - Fell Beast
Strength 11
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Fierce. When you play this minion, you may discard a Nazgul from hand to make this minion strength +3 until the regroup phase.
Archery: Discard your condition to make the fellowship archery total -1.
It looks like the ’theme’ of the culture is reckless savagery. Throwing away cards left and right as a core cost should represent creatures well.
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| Thranduil |
![]() Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:37 pm |
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Interesting, but I don’t think I agree with throwing Nazgul away to use their steeds. After all, the steeds are nothing compared to their riders. I love the first one, but think the second one would make more sense as discarding some non-specific cards, or perhaps  cards, rather than just Nazgul.
You should also use as many loaded keywords as possible for this culture; enduring, fierce, damage and lurker are all very bestial.
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| NBarden |
![]() Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:31 pm |
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| AgentDrake |
![]() Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:35 pm |
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I agree with everything Thran said.
An idea: You might want to adjust the sites to match approximately where in the story each type of creature shows up.
If you do that, you could also make their site numbers into an interesting twist with other creature cards that spot/affect minions with printed site X. Something like "Creatures of the Dark Lord" could reference all site 6 (Fell Beasts, Shelob, etc.) minions, etc. |
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| lem0nhead |
![]() Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:29 am |
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| Would you really use men or nazgul if you were playing a creature deck or are they more of a splash culture? |
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| NBarden |
![]() Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:20 am |
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| DáinIronfoot |
![]() Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:07 pm |
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| Nothing to add, really, but I like the overall idea quite a bit. I’ve thought of doing something similiar, inspired by the Creatures in Decipher’s Star Wars CCG. |
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| Thranduil |
![]() Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:20 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: Nothing to add, really, but I like the overall idea quite a bit. I’ve thought of doing something similiar, inspired by the Creatures in Decipher’s Star Wars CCG.
Except that they were rubbish. The only creatures I ever used were the Rancor and Sarlacc with the objective that allows you to capture people and feed them to either for loads of bonuses! That was hilarious.
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| DáinIronfoot |
![]() Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:36 pm |
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Thranduil wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: Nothing to add, really, but I like the overall idea quite a bit. I’ve thought of doing something similiar, inspired by the Creatures in Decipher’s Star Wars CCG.
Except that they were rubbish. The only creatures I ever used were the Rancor and Sarlacc with the objective that allows you to capture people and feed them to either for loads of bonuses! That was hilarious.
Well, I never said the creatures they made were any good.  Admittedly, I don’t think I ever actually used any, but the concept always intrigued me. |
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| menace64 |
![]() Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:10 pm |
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Keeping things off-topic for a moment longer, creatures had a lot of hidden power in SW. Take a look at Vine Snake. Well, I’ll go ahead and post the text here:
Habitat: Planet sites (except Hoth). Attacks a character by attaching. X starts at 0. Every move phase, draw destiny; each time destiny > ability, add 1 to X. Character is power -X (eaten if power = 0).
That. Is. Sucks... For anyone it attacks.
If you’re running a deck focusing around a specific character (say, Luke in a cross Vader deck), this little fella can eat you alive. More than once I lost a key player and was never able to recuperate (because, for as generally weak as creatures were, there wasn’t a lot of anti-creature tech).
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Anywho. Yes, culture is starting off as kind of a support culture. Think of it like how  started - not many options to run on its own, but over time enough cards are put into the culture that it becomes stable on its own.
AD: I really like that idea of site number-centric minions. Let’s brainstorm on what site numbers creatures would get.
- ~ Shire through Rivendell
 - ~ Moria through Amon Hen
 - ~ Rohan/Dead Marshes through Isengard/Ithilien
 - ~ Gondor/Minas Morgul through Black Gate/Shelob’s Lair
 ~ Mount Doom
So, based off that, Watcher in the Water would roam until 3, while Shelob would maintain site 8 (and yes, I figure she would show up in ). Fell Beasts would roam until site 5, and so forth.
Let’s try something else:
Old Forest Hardwood
Minion - Tree
Strength 11
Vitality 4
Site Number 2
Damage +1.
While the fellowship is not at any site 2 or any site 3, this minion is roaming.
Skirmish: Exert this minion to make it strength +1 for each other Tree you can spot (limit +2). |
Riddle 9
When I came to Abraham I let him live just a moment longer. When I came to Moses I saved his life more than once. But the salmon... I regret to say I had a hand in its death.
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