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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:24 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Thranduil wrote:
0 Cunning of Mind Sauron
Event • Shadow
Discard a Sauron minion (or spot Sauron) to take into hand a Shadow artifact from your draw deck or discard pile (or remove 2 to take into hand a legendary card from your dead pile).

I think the wording would be better like this:

Discard a Sauron minion (or spot Sauron) to choose one: take into hand a Shadow artifact from your draw deck or discard pile; or remove 2 to take into hand a legendary card from your dead pile.

Interesting how the latter part can work with FP cards. I like that!

Thranduil wrote:
3 Cunning of Mouth Sauron
Event • Regroup
Discard a Sauron minion (or spot Sauron) to discard a card borne by a companion. Then, if that companion bears a Sauron condition, add a burden.

Maybe limit this to companions skirmishing that minion.
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Thranduil
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:27 pm
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DáinIronfoot wrote:
Interesting how the latter part can work with FP cards. I like that!

Not currently: I was envisaging a separate dead pile for your Free Peoples and Shadow cards. Do you think this should change?

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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:41 pm
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I don’t see any reason to keep them apart. I’m sure there would be ways to break that if someone really sat down and thought about it, but I can’t think of any offhand.
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Anvar
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:24 pm
Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 251 Location:
Thranduil wrote:
Let’s have a pair of related events:

0 Cunning of Mind Sauron
Event • Shadow
Discard a Sauron minion (or spot Sauron) to take into hand a Shadow artifact from your draw deck or discard pile (or remove 2 to take into hand a legendary card from your dead pile).


Argh! Too many clauses. Let’s remove some of those brackets and/or options, or subordinate clauses, so as to clarify the meaning (or the sense (or understanding)) of the card (or perhaps the text of it).

Can I suggest the following text:

Discard a Sauron minion (or spot Sauron) to take into hand a Shadow artifact from your draw deck, discard or dead pile.

If that’s too good, then make it two different cards, one which takes artifacts from the deck/discard, and one that fetches from the dead pile.

Or:
Spot Sauron to take into hand a Shadow artifact from your draw deck or discard pile (or remove 2 to take into hand a Shadow artifact from your dead pile).


Somehow you need to lose a few clauses from this card,
Anvar
lem0nhead
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:50 am
Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 2981 Location: Blood Island
Thranduil wrote:
Let’s have a pair of related events:

0 Cunning of Mind Sauron
Event • Shadow
Discard a Sauron minion (or spot Sauron) to take into hand a Shadow artifact from your draw deck or discard pile (or remove 2 to take into hand a legendary card from your dead pile).

I think its phrased ok, the card is fine even if i dont like the idea of getting legendary stuff back.

3 Cunning of Mouth Sauron
Event • Regroup
Discard a Sauron minion (or spot Sauron) to discard a card borne by a companion. Then, if that companion bears a Sauron condition, add a burden.

Oof. Harsh.

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Thranduil
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:28 pm
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lem0nhead wrote:
I think its phrased ok, the card is fine even if i dont like the idea of getting legendary stuff back.

I don’t think any culture has more than 1 card that does it, and I think some might not have it at all (I can’t think of any for Elven or Dwarven). Gondor and Sauron are the best at it, I think.

And changed Cunning of Mind a little.

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sickofpalantirs
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:19 pm
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Thranduil wrote:
Let’s have a pair of related events:

0 Cunning of Mind Sauron
Event • Shadow
Discard a Sauron minion (or spot Sauron) to choose one: take into hand a Shadow artifact from your draw deck or discard pile; or remove a threat to place a legendary card from your dead pile into your discard pile.
I think it shoudl be exert a sauron minion

3 Cunning of Mouth Sauron
Event • Regroup
Discard a Sauron minion (or spot Sauron) to discard a card borne by a companion. Then, if that companion bears a Sauron condition, add a burden.

Thranduil

this is fine. maybe 2 cost though? up to you.
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Thranduil
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:37 pm
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 2256 Location:
Hmmm....

Haven’t made any new Shadow cards for this set in quite a while.

Here’s one! Bit boring, but there you go, just to emphasise the Sauron culture in its toolbox capacity.

2 Wrath Revealed Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Exert a Sauron minion to discard a condition, possession or artifact.

Remember that many artifacts are legendary and so require additional costs to discard them.

Thranduil
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:41 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Thranduil wrote:
2 Wrath Revealed Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spot a Sauron minion to discard a condition, possession or artifact.

Remember that many artifacts are legendary and so require additional costs to discard them.

And remember that lem0n and I view this in the bounds of the entire game, not just your sets in and of themselves. So most artifacts are NOT, in fact, legendary.

That being said, I think this is okay since it’s a mere event. Perhaps make it exert that minion, though.
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

Check out Lasting Alliances, The Road Ahead, and Ages of Middle-earth, three of my five dream card sets that make up Wars of the Ring. Oh, and I have a trade list now!

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Anvar
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:44 pm
Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 251 Location:
Thranduil wrote:
Hmmm....

Haven’t made any new Shadow cards for this set in quite a while.

Here’s one! Bit boring, but there you go, just to emphasise the Sauron culture in its toolbox capacity.

2 Wrath Revealed Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spot a Sauron minion to discard a condition, possession or artifact.

Remember that many artifacts are legendary and so require additional costs to discard them.

Thranduil


Agree with Dain, should be exert.

Anvar

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