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« on: September 24, 2009, 09:37:14 AM »
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Saruman, Servant of the Eye x2
Troop of Uruk-Hai x4
Uruk Lieutenant x4
Uruk Brood x4

Goblin Runner x4
Goblin Scavengers x4

Hate and Anger x4
Saruman's Power x2

Goblin Scimitar x4

They Are Coming x2

34 cards. No Goblin Armory or Goblin Swarms (be careful when you use your Saruman's Power!), but this was something I wanted to try and wanted to get some thoughts on.
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 01:38:05 PM »
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I think you should go full-blown swarm and run those cheap Uruk-Hai minions.

I just noticed that that card allows new culture Uruks...this has a lot of potential for expanded...
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 01:46:16 PM »
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Full blown swarm might be a good idea. I just really don't remember too many set 1-3 Uruks so I was running off memory.

Before you tell me there is a database right there...I was lazy, okay?!
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 01:47:49 PM »
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Ooh! This could make a very cool Uruk Spy/Lost to the Goblins combination!

I like it!
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 01:51:08 PM »
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Uruk Spy x4
Uruk Soldier x4
Uruk Lieutenant x4

Goblin Runner x4
Goblin Sneak x4
Goblin Scrabbler x4

Lost to the Goblins x3
Hate and Anger x3
Saruman's Power x2

Maybe something like that would be very intimidating!
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 02:33:12 PM »
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If you don't get enough burdens, you will deck out very quickly... I'd add one more lttg and remove one saruman's power personally, or just make the deck bigger. You could pair it with dwarves and Halls of my home.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 05:49:56 PM »
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If you don't get enough burdens, you will deck out very quickly... I'd add one more lttg and remove one saruman's power personally, or just make the deck bigger. You could pair it with dwarves and Halls of my home.

Conceptually, I should probably have some Ulaire Enquea, Lieutenant of Morgul considering the burdens getting pounded on.

I guess I'm not seeing the hook of Halls of My Home. If I already have a small shadow, why would I want to discard cards each time I look into the deck? Or am I missing something?
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 07:15:21 PM »
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It says you may discard a shadow card, you don't have to. If you don't play anything else during your fellowship phase, you can make sure on your shadow phase you can get a big hit with lttg.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 08:06:20 PM »
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Uruk spy won't work because the ring-bearer won,t put the ring on. Lost to the goblins won't work because the ring-bearer isn't gonna take that much wounds or exertions.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 08:12:33 PM »
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Simple Rainbow swarm. I think it will work. I'd love to see the implications in Movie block.

Ulaire Enquea, Ringwraith in Twilight might be even better than shogun Enquea.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2009, 09:37:52 AM »
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I'd consider putting in some Saruman's Ambitions.  I know it kinda clashes with the Saruman's Powers, but you could always just make it a point to use the Ambitions before you power, or you could just decide that it's worth losing them in order to take out your opponent's conditions.

The reason I say Saruman's Ambition is because if you get 2 in play, your Hate and Angers will be free.  Being that you've got a swarm goin' on here, saving 2 twilight from Hate and Anger means getting another minion out (or perhaps even two).  Then, you can use those Ambitions to win skirmishes and/or get overwhelms.  It's got all sorts of great options!

Uruk Regular is also something to consider, unless it's banned in Fellowship block or something (I don't play Fellowship block, so I don't know).
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2009, 10:03:03 AM »
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Uruk Regular is banned from Fellowship block because it is a card from the Two Towers.
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2009, 10:04:09 AM »
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Uruk Regular is banned from Fellowship block because it is a card from the Two Towers.
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Huh... so it is!  Weird.  =P
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2009, 03:39:50 PM »
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Goblin Backstabber might be nice to force the Ring-bearer to wear the one ring. As well, I would make it bigger; take out Saruman's power and add Goblin Swarms, etc.
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2009, 10:17:44 AM »
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I definitely agree that this deck needs to be bigger.  I'd love to see a Movie-block version of this... definitely expands the options for the type of uruks you can swarm with.
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2009, 11:20:45 AM »
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Hate and Anger is just a really cool card to me, so I wanted to try it out. But in Movie Block, I would probably use Sauron Uruk-Hai that way site 8 means something!
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2009, 04:39:27 AM »
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Hate and Anger is just a really cool card to me, so I wanted to try it out. But in Movie Block, I would probably use Sauron Uruk-Hai that way site 8 means something!
-wtk

off topic but....
I hate playing isengard, moria and dunland in movie cause then site 8 is a complete waste, i've always thought that they needed to make at least 1 generic site 8 for king, but they didn't
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2009, 07:58:27 AM »
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Morgulduin for Shotgun Enquea or Northern Ithilien for Gollum are two fairly generic routs. Gollum, Plotting Deceiver could fit in most swarm decks (one copy) and Shotgun Enquea is great crowd control in any deck.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2010, 08:40:48 AM »
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Hate and Anger is officially one of my favorite cards.  I use in combination with Strange Device and Goblin Scimitars in expanded.  There is something downright fun about being able to draw twelve to fourteen cards in a shadow phase. 

Of course, using Hate and Anger is harder in fellowship because of the stingy twilight, but it's one of those cards that just begs to be used.  Glad to see somebody's giving it a whirl. :-)
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2010, 12:02:57 PM »
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Also play some Elven filtering cards (mallorn-Trees) as for Freeps and you'll be golden. Wink
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2010, 12:46:35 PM »
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Mallorn Tree would be a bad idea because if your opponent gets to site 9, all you are going to draw is going to be elven cards.
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2010, 12:53:11 PM »
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if your opponent gets to site 9, something got wrong, anyway...
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2010, 02:32:09 PM »
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if your opponent gets to site 9, something got wrong, anyway...
Not really. From my point of view, if you play a swarm deck in FOTR block, the two best site for you to swarm your opponent are Anduin Wilderland (site 7) and Tol Brandir (site 9). It's almost impossible to kill your opponent before site 6 due to Hobbit Stealth.
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2010, 09:51:10 PM »
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Hate and Anger is officially one of my favorite cards.

[sarcasm]I am glad that nearly four months later this topic is relevant[/sarcasm]. Really though, the idea in Fellowship Block failed, but it is a fantastic card in Movie Block and underrated in Towers Block.

if your opponent gets to site 9, something got wrong, anyway...

WHAT?! Not in Fellowship Block! Got to agree with c-work. Site 7 and 9 are where the real damage is done unless you get a lucky site 2 kill of a companion or two to stifle your opponent.
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2010, 09:33:42 PM »
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Hate and Anger is officially one of my favorite cards.  I use in combination with Strange Device and Goblin Scimitars in expanded.  There is something downright fun about being able to draw twelve to fourteen cards in a shadow phase.

Of course, using Hate and Anger is harder in fellowship because of the stingy twilight, but it's one of those cards that just begs to be used.  Glad to see somebody's giving it a whirl. :-)
Isn't the rule of 4 active in Expanded shadow draws too? O_o

And yes, hate and Anger is nice. Now someone make a News of Mordor deck. Cheesy
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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2010, 12:19:54 AM »
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the shadow does not have a rule of 4
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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2010, 10:10:10 AM »
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How deliciously nasty. A lot of the Shadow in 11 and 12 from what I remember had muster and lotsa card draws. Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2010, 10:32:42 AM »
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muster happens at the start of the regroup though
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Muster is great to get rid of excess cards you drew during Shadow phase though. Cheesy
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Muster is great to get rid of excess cards you drew during Shadow phase though. Cheesy

If you have more than 8 cards in your hand at reconcile, don't you have to discard down to 8 anyways? Wink
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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2010, 11:48:07 PM »
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True....with muster you get to draw more cards though. More discards = more card draws, in some cases it would be awesome. Cheesy
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