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Author Topic: Uruk-Hai + Nazgul Shadow  (Read 1519 times)
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2011, 10:23:42 AM »
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I see your point Re: Enquea, he can keep oppo. from playing more companions but he is also a decent Nazgul even without his ability enabled (11str for 6 twilight and 4 health). And having him there keeps the oppo. honest regarding burdens, he cannot keep stacking burdens up. I honestly think 2 enquea is worth it. Only one I'd swap him out for is another Attea to overwhelm. Unless playtesting shows he is not effective I think I'll stick with two:-)

Re Return to it's master: I think the most effective way to play return to it's master in this deck is the same way as blade tip. Have one in there to scare the opponent. Chances are it won't come into play but it will make the opponent think hard over every decision to exert/put on the ring etc. Even though I wanted it badly to work I think most people will sense danger and hesitate to put on the ring untill the last minute, and in those situations I've usually won anyways as his fellowship is beat to #$&*@!.

Re Reach vs One of you must do this: Here is how I see it, One of you must do this works in a way where you must exert if you have alot of companions and if you have few then few needs to exert. The rate of exertions equals or is smaller than companions at all times. Reach has a flat rate of two nomatter what so will hurt even small or one race fellowships. I think a balance of 2-2 is good so you can hurt those who play all races and you can hurt a hobbit deck or elven archers should you meet one. Should one underperform you can always change the balance or see if you find another card that piles on wounds (like greed?).

Loosing exertion cards for minions seem difficult considering the twilight limitation, but could be worth loosing two cards for Tower of orthanc which I think will work great. I also had Can you protect me from yourself? In an early version of the deck when I ran Nelya (to pot. add burdens) and since I run prancing pony + no Twilight cost or exertion required, will find room for it once again now that Nelya is back and will work great with Tower of Orthanc

Wreathed in shadow I think won't make it as archer fellowships are really rare and exertion to wound is my biggest enemy in archer phases, some prevent wound card would be better, but even those I doubt I'd have the twilight.

I'll think about Orthanc Berserker, if I add Can you protect me from yourself? or other cards that add burdens he will prob do really well although his exertion requirement kind of crashes with the other exertion cards. He does however work well with Tower of Orthanc. I think I'll try to find room for a couple of copies.

Now, with all these changes where cards require burdens, should I try to add burden-adding cards or will that make the damage dealing part of the deck too weak? If I should what cards? Most spot twilight Nazgul's..

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Removed one captain and added Orthanc Berserker, could not make room for any more changes without sacrificing Return to its master so decided to split the deck in two different versions. Main version still has two reaches and a return to its master. The alternative version has no reach and no return but another assassin instead of the 2nd enquea and can you protect me from yourself instead of return and 2x tower of orthanc instead of reach x2.

Main version I'll try to keep focusing on not only doing beatdown but also fun combinations while alternative version can evolve into whatever seems best. At the moment the alt. version looks like it could try to make something work with cards targeting exhausted minions. We got the berserker and the Tower of orthanc plus can you protect me from yourself which exhausts Aragorn. On top of that a pretty heavy beatdown shadowside with cards that exhert.
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2011, 07:16:33 AM »
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After playing a few games on GCCG with this shadowside I see no hope for it. Return to its master did not work at all as I rarely get out both a nazgul and a uruk.

The one with Towers of Orthanc might work, might give it a go but alittle disheartened after getting beat the #$&*@! up:P
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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2011, 09:53:29 AM »
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If you can't get both ut, then News of Mordor is also not pulling its weight, right?
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2011, 02:40:05 PM »
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If you can't get both ut, then News of Mordor is also not pulling its weight, right?

That is true, and with it gone then the whole point is gone:-) But News of mordor is easier since you can spot saruman and chances of getting Saruman/an uruk and a nazgul is bigger.
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2011, 05:29:05 AM »
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Allright, so after thinking more about it last night I think any uruk/nazgul combination (to work) will have to be drasticly different than my original idea. I think any card that depends on both culture having a minion out at the same time will have to go (maybe keep one copy of News of Mordor for funsies).

However there are combinations that can work OK I think, played someone on GCCG and was inspired to shift this deck towards playing on a combination of Orthanc Berserker and Ulaire Enquea, Lieutenant of Morgul. Both spotting five burdens and work great in pair. If lucky you can take out two companions in one go. Orthanc berserker exhausts one and usually one other has 2 or 1 wound left. Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight can fit into this since you will be trying to get burdens on Ringbearer and he needs only two to be a pretty good and cheap minion.

So other than 3-4 copies of Ulaire Enquea and Lieutenant of Morgul, plus maybe a copy of news of mordor it would be all Uruk. I imagine 3 copies of Orthanc berserker and a couple of copies of Worry plus Can you protect me from yourself?.

Now, since there are some Nazguls here it would be fun to have cards that add burdens from the wraith culture but are there cards that are easy to get off the hand so they won't just end up clogging? It would be super-fun to make Saruman's Reach plus a card that spots ringbearer wearing ring to add burdens to work but my guess is there are none that do not spot a nazgul so then we are back to square one with having to have a nazgul and an uruk out?

In the ringwraiths wake is maybe the best card from the wraith culture? Twilight world might also work considering it does not specify Twilight Nazgul?
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2011, 05:44:15 AM »
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I think you're going in an opposite direction, so I'd advise opening up a new topic for the new idea, and let this one where it is.
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2011, 09:30:35 AM »
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I think you're going in an opposite direction, so I'd advise opening up a new topic for the new idea, and let this one where it is.

Honestly I don't think I am going to bother with it, might play around but all the fun for me was in making either saruman's reah+burdens or return to its master work or News of Mordor work. Seems like everyone and their mama are playing choke in fellowship block so two expensive shadow cultures don't work it seems:-(
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