The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Lothlórien => Standard => Topic started by: Olorin on June 21, 2008, 08:16:44 AM
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Hi guys,
I am starting a poll for a "loyal and faithful" shadow site?
Post, what you think, is one of the most powerful shadow sites - please also consider, it needn't to be a Troll swarm deck (because if you play against a single Smeagol choke deck, you wouldn't be able to play anything)...
(maybe Moria, or Forest Nazgul, or a rainbow shadow, or anything else...)
Let me know your thoughts (edtions used should be 1-10 or 7-19, may include 9/14/16)
Thanks!
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[Men] Archery. Definitely.
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Thanks NBarden!
Do you think this will be also helpful against big fellowships?
@all: other ideas?
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Grima, Footman of Saruman + Anduin Banks + Precision Targeting.
3 card combo and 1 is a site, so really 2 card combo. Next site? City Gates.
Then the RB starts taking burdens? Archer of Harad + Neekerbreeker's to the rescue! You need to be behind on the sitepath for [Men] archery to really shine, but it can rock without it.
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I fully agree with NB, that is a hard Shadow site ! I even play it with FP sitepathcontrol ( so Gollum is in the FP from the start ) so I force my oponent to stay in front and walk on the painful sites and I run behind replacing them in easier sites for my FP. That way my opponent walks on the difficult sites over and over again. No matter how big his FP is, the Archery does it's work !!!
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Oh God yeah, Evil Men Archery is deadly.......unless you have Elven Armaments. Sometimes those get discarded by evil people so archery has to be taken, but otherwise you'll do ok.
I think Sauron/Orc discard can be destructive, but it's hardly reliable. Uruk site control is pretty evil, but not consistently so.....
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There's also [Orc] wounding...
Take your pick out of a few Black Gate Sentry, Scouting Orc, Veteran War Chief, Orkish Invader, Orkish Lackey, some Mordor Scimitar or Orc Hammer, and maybe some Wargs for more vitality. Throw in Spurred to Battle for twilight, and A Defiled Charge if you're using the Wargs, and some Great Cost to fill in any gaps.
though, I have no idea how reliable it is... I don't have many cards from post-Bloodlines.
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Aren't Forestguls the most reliable Shadow now?
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Thanks for comments!
Evil Men Archery
Orc Direct Wounding
so, Nazgul or Uruks may rock, but not as good as the both ahead? What about Gollum?
Voice of the desert + Grima Footman of Saruman + •Ted Sandyman, Chief's Men's Ally + Elevated Fire + Precision targeting = :twisted: (Ted Sandymen gain archer and a good use for Toil of elvated fire)
Orc Direct Wounding: Orkish Lackey + Black Land Chieftain + Black Land Overlord = :twisted:
Let me know more of your thoughts, comments - I guess, it will be very interesting! :D
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[Orc] wounding is powerful if you can get it to go off right, but quite difficult to get it to go off right (read: unreliable).
Forestguls are far more reliable than [Orc] wounding, though [Orc] wounding is a heckofalot more fun to run.
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Forestguls are only good for filtering and sitepath abuse. Everyone smashes them up, unless you add a corruption engine :twisted:
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yeah, strength wise Nazgul are not cost effective, Forest guls are no exception because even if you get a free Nazgul their 10-14 str can't beat a certain Dwarf strat's strength pumps, or Gondor in general. Or Hobbits, even, if you get them there. O_o
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Forestguls are only good for filtering and sitepath abuse. Everyone smashes them up, unless you add a corruption engine :twisted:
Eh...WTF?!?!?! Who's deck have you been playing against? Dark Approach + Toldea + Toil Nazzies = Nazzies aren't so expensive, toss into the mix Stooping to the Kill for D+1 and LitW to ensure wins, oh, BTW, they're fierce.
No, Forest Nazzies are completely awesome. TJ, remind me to play POTENT Forest Nazzies vs u sometime.
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Bring it on. I love killing Nazgul!
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I was thinking Troll swarm could get past Smeagol choke, actually. All it'd need is 3 twilight to play the Keyward and it's good to go. With 6 Trolls in hand that's +12 twilight, enough to drop 2 Trolls + Horror of Harad. Maybe there are enough pumps to survive the first onslaught of 41+ strength, but what about 33+ on the fierce, and then damage bonuses chipping away at his resistance?
Mind you I'm just speaking as an armchair theorist here. If the deck can really NOLINKset up by turn 4 (and refrain from dumping twilight at 2-3), more power to Smeagol.
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If you have patient to play with (unlike me most the time) I like [men] site control using Rapt Hillman and then use something like Rapid Reload and White Hand Invader to exert (playing Steward's Tomb at sanctuaries) and then finish them off with Gothmog. It has its flaws of course but all shadow deck can taken care of one way or another :up:
I have played my deck like this a few times and have let the opponents freeps run ahead, have had 6-7 sites controlled when the move to site 9, dropped 2 or 3 Invaders (18 exertions) then finished with a Gothmog (6 wounds). Anyway it is fun to play none the less, but requires a patient player :up:.
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Should you play Mumak Commander GATS in an [Men] Archer Deck?
is there a chance to wound a companion in Maneuver or Archery (in Skirmish with whistling death)...?
... what about Gothmog?
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Should you play Mumak Commander GATS in an [Men] Archer Deck? YES
is there a chance to wound a companion in Maneuver or Archery (in Skirmish with whistling death)...?ONLY DIRECTED EXERTIONS, DON'T PACK WHISTLING DEATH, NOT WORTH IT.
... what about Gothmog? IF YOU HAVE ROOM