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 1 
 on: August 17, 2017, 10:50:02 PM 
Started by Orophoin - Last post by Vordan
I have a similar deck for casual, with only elves as fp and full forestguls as shadows

For the shadow i found morgul squealer some nice help to get the right nazgul at the right time (and an exertion for the wk before discarding him) and ithil stone for hand extension.

For the fp i have Alliance Reforged for drawing and triggering SotBR and aiglos, since you have some artifacts and to help gil-galad

I had the same difficulty as you, and i thought many times to splash some SAD to get rid of annoying grond, as you can just toss it to fuel cirdan and grab it back with gil-galad when in need, otherwise pretty solid

One question: i suppose the ALF are there to get rid of annoying pallando, daddy twofoot or random follower, since the cost to play a nazgul is prohibitive, am I right?

Edit: i forgot to mention crashing cavalry for those heavy shirmish shadow, like gollum, beasterling or mounted orks (new culture)

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 on: August 16, 2017, 05:05:02 PM 
Started by -Enola- - Last post by -Enola-
You are right about Balin, I thought about it, but I wanted to have a simple Gandalf with only two sentences (one passive and one active). Drawing cards seems much more fun than just searching a Dwarven companion in the draw deck (it will be too strong with 4 companions in the starting). I also change Careful with These in the Balin Pack to avoid the problem of Balin.

If Gandalf is in the discard pile, all Gandalf events are useless. It's important to have other ways to keep Gandalf in play.

Gandalf, Friend of Thorin Cost 1 Strength 7 Vitality 4
The twilight cost of Thorin is -2.
While you can spot 2 Dwarf followers, Gandalf cannot be discarded.
Fellowship: Discard a Dwarf follower and add a doubt to draw 3 cards.

 3 
 on: August 12, 2017, 11:23:41 PM 
Started by -Enola- - Last post by Durin's Heir
- New Gandalf: Seems clever to add a drawing engine to compensate FoT's unability to play Dwarves from deck. But I fear that removing the cost reduction line for Thorin will simply destroy any deck based on Balin (as you must play him soon, but not at the cost of not starting Thorin). That'll harm severely the usefulness of the Balin Pack, and others like the White Council, Wizard and Thráin which are intensive in events. So I see 3 solutions (there might be more):

1.- Trim the loretext to 1 line, and reintroduce the cost reduction line for Thorin. This is the simplest option. The lore text would end up like this: "Well, that's decided. It will be very good for you..." and most amusing for me. I shall inform the others."

2.- You can change the "drawing skill" to a "play a Dwarven companion from deck" skill, fueled too discarding a Dwarf follower. Then, 6x Dwarf followers would be 6x AWINL for Dwarf companions, at the high expense of losing follower support. Then 1x to 3x TMOMK would balance that cost, gaining the importance you wished. "Fellowship: Discard a Dwarven follower to play a Dwarven companion from your draw deck."

3.- You can add 3x At You Service to Balin's pack (instead of Careful With These) and avoid all changes in your new Gandalf. That'd also add some flavor (since Dwalin and Balin were the first to arrive that way). But won't help other packs that need Balin's recycling skill.

In option #1, I'd change Gandalf's cost to 1 (to start him with Thorin + Balin/Dwalin); in the others I'd set it to 2 (to start him with Thorin alone). That's 'cause I simply dislike the idea of being able to play at site 5+ a totally fresh Wizard companion for 0 (with AWINL, Radagast or Saruman)... I know Gandalf FoT has a discard prevention skill, but he can still be stacked on Jail and it can be discarded later (or Yazneg can reduce Dwarf followers to 1 or less by site 4; or the FP player can intentionally discard all but 1 Dwarf follower before moving to site 5).


Now, thinking about the discard prevention skill... why discarding Gandalf must necessarily be a bad thing? You might try a different approach on the "Gandalf leaves us" problem. It might trigger some benefit. The 2 lines of the prevention skill might be used for a short skill, triggering "If Gandalf is discarded" so "you may"...
- "heal a companion" / "remove a doubt" / "remove 3"
- "play a non- Dwarven card from your draw deck" (Gandalf departs but sends some help: a home 5 ally like Radagast or Thranduil, a follower like Beorn or the Old Thrush...)
- might even "return him (and any card he bears) to your hand".

The Gandalf Packs that need him in play already have ways to prevent his discarding (or to replay him), so won't be harmed at all. I like the last one, it might help with decks that exert Gandalf too much: you get at site 5 or 6 a totally fresh Gandalf for 1 or 2, + 2 for Glamdring. Of course this is not a necessity, only a suggestion to add more possibilities and flavor.

So with all those possibilities in mind, this is an example of a new Gandalf FoT:

2 •Gandalf, Friend of Thorin Gandalf
Companion • Wizard
Strength 7  Vitality 4
Wise.
Fellowship: Discard a Dwarven follower to play a Dwarven companion from your draw deck.
Response: If Gandalf is discarded, return him (and any card he bears) to your hand.
"Well, that's decided. It will be very good for you... and most amusing for me. I shall inform the others."


Hope this helps, and doesn't come too late.

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 on: August 12, 2017, 01:31:00 PM 
Started by ket_the_jet - Last post by Durin's Heir
Wariness and Frenzy cancel stealth events, specifically.
You mean Moria Relentless, not Frenzy. There's also Sauron Seeking it Always to cancels stealths, which has the huge advantage of working from the support area (and the disadvantage of having to exert a Sauron tracker, which were all 2-vitality weaklings until Set 5).

Free Peoples player plays Strength of Kings (cancels Wariness)
Strength of Kings can only cancel Skirmish events, so can't cancel a response event like Wariness. Besides, it can only work on a Gondor Man's skirmish, so cannot be played in a moment where another resource would "cancel a skirmish involving a Hobbit." Still, Swiftly and Softly can be played in Isildur's skirmish for no effect if that's your intention.

Now, you can change Swiftly and Softly to Hobbit Intuition, and Merry From O'er the Brandywine to Friend to Sam. Then the stealth would work as a pump, and the hobbit might be trying to save Isildur from being overwhelmed or critically defeated in his skirmish. Then Wariness can be played vs the Intuition in Isildur's skirmish, but Strength of Spirit still cannot counter Wariness.


Keeping the "cancel a Hobbit's skirmish" idea, we can think about Tom Bombadil / Filibert Bolger cancelling Merry's skirmish, and Haunting Her Steps cancelling the ally's skill. Then, The Board is Set / Wise Guide can cancel Grima's event.

Instead of Haunting Her Steps (an event), might be a special ability like Isengard Warg et al. Then, Storied Homestead or New Authority can cancel the Warg's skill.

 5 
 on: August 11, 2017, 06:56:11 PM 
Started by ket_the_jet - Last post by Shelobplayer
Strength of Spirit doesn't work on allies. Luckily there is Tolman Cotton.

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 on: August 11, 2017, 06:20:26 PM 
Started by ket_the_jet - Last post by ket_the_jet
Legion, you saucy bastard. Genius.
-wtk

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 on: August 11, 2017, 06:16:19 PM 
Started by ket_the_jet - Last post by Legion
I can't think of a shadow card that cancels freeps events other than wariness, but I'll keep an eye out. Once we find it, we should set up a game on gemp and get this mad chain going Smiley
Who said anything about a shadow card? Cancel it with your own Gandalf, Wise Guide, and then let them cancel that with Dark Alliance

 8 
 on: August 11, 2017, 05:46:24 PM 
Started by ket_the_jet - Last post by ket_the_jet
Wariness and Frenzy cancel stealth events, specifically. Grima's Dagger and Furious Hillman cancel skirmish events, but that doesn't help with response events.

I don't know why I am so interested in figuring out the longest response chain. But I have a new one:

Frodo killed. Sam's response action takes the One Ring, Isildur's Bane.
Shadow player plays In the Ringwraith's Wake for exertion.
Shadow player plays Lost to the Goblins and gets a burden.
Shadow player plays The Ring is Mine for another burden.
Repeat three times.
Free People's Player cancels the last one Melilot Brandybuck, Merry Dancer.
Free People's Player plays Strength of Spirit to prevent Melilot's exertion.
Shadow player discards Dark Alliance and exerts a lurker to cancel Melilot Brandybuck.

Cheers,
-wtk

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 on: August 11, 2017, 04:51:47 PM 
Started by ket_the_jet - Last post by Not a Zombie
I can't think of a shadow card that cancels freeps events other than wariness, but I'll keep an eye out. Once we find it, we should set up a game on gemp and get this mad chain going Smiley

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 on: August 11, 2017, 04:14:03 PM 
Started by ket_the_jet - Last post by ket_the_jet
Okay, so I want to see if I can come up with an unreasonably long response chain. This will only work in some sort of open format, I guess. But here we go.

Sites in Play
Towers Block Sites

[Free Peoples in Play[/b]
Isildur, Bearer of Heirlooms with the One Ring
A Hobbit companion, say, Merry, From O'er the Brandywine
Gandalf

Free Peoples Hand
Swiftly and Softly
Strength of Kings
The Board is Set x4


Shadow in Play
Uruk Hunter
Furious Hillman x2

Shadow in Hand
Wariness


The play:
Assign Uruk Hunter to Merry, From O'er the Brandywine
Play Swiftly and Softly (cancel skirmish)
Shadow player plays Wariness (cancels Swiftly and Softly)
Free Peoples player plays Strength of Kings (cancels Wariness)

...now how can I get to cancel Strength of Kings that would be countered by The Board is Set? Furious Hillman would end the cycle...

What am I missing?

Obviously, as separate actions at the end, Uruk Hunter has a response action for killing Merry, or Eowyn, Lady of Rohan could use a response to prevent the wound (if Merry had a Hobbit Sword).
-wtk

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