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October 19, 2008, 08:17:14 AM
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Morgul Swarms
« on: October 19, 2008, 08:17:14 AM »
First of all: credits to Clockwork! He has slaugthered me with this shadow 2 times and I thought of taking it to a next level. You know, to make it NB and Jordiproof. I think I nailed it, but criticism is ofcourse most welcome!

*The One Ring, The Ring of Rings (11R1)
*Galadriel, Bearer of Wisdom (RB)(9R+14)

Sites
(0) The Angle (12U185)
(0) Buckland Homestead (11S230)
(0) Woody-end (11S266)
(1) City Gates (15S189)
(1) Neekerbeekers' Bog (11S249)
(3) Mount Doom (15R193)
(3) Old Forest Road (11S251)
(3) The Prancing Pony (11S256)
(4) Sirannon Ruins (18U138)

Fellowship (35)
2x *Narsil, Forged by Telchar (17R31)
2x *Nenya, Ring of Adamant (9R20)
1x *Gamling, Defender of the Hornburg (11R147)
1x *Glorfindel, Eldarin Lord (18R13)
2x *Isildur, Heir of Elendil (13U71)
2x *Legolas, Woodland Emissary (11R22)
1x *Orophin, Silvan Elf (17S11)
2x *Rumil, Silvan Elf (17S12)
2x Elven Guardian (17S7)
2x Namarie (17U10)
2x Take Up the Bow (13R26)
2x Back to the Light (18R6)
3x Nocked (11U25)
1x *Celebring, Elven-Smith (18R7)
1x *Dinendal, Mirkwood Archer (15R12)
1x *Woodhall Elf (18C17)
1x *Erkenbrand's Horn (18R96)
2x *Legolas' Bow (11R23)
4x Elven Bow (4U62)
1x Sword of the Fallen (15C25)

Shadow (35)
2x *Ithil Stone (9R+47)
3x *Streaming to the Field (8U78)
2x *Under Foot (10C52)
2x Black Marshal (10U53)
3x *Ulaire Cantea, Faster Than Winds (7R211)
1x *Ulaire Enquea, Thrall of the One (10R68)
3x *Ulaire Toldea, Wraith on Wings (7R219)
3x Desert Sneak (7C135)
3x Morgul Brute (7R188)
3x Morgul Destroyer (7U190)
3x Morgul Lackey (7C193)
3x Morgul Spearman (7C201)
4x Morgul Whelp (7U202)

Your starting line-up is as following: Galadriel, Gamling and Orophin. If your opponent is using Aragorn a lot, let him start, otherwise bid and start Prancing Pony. First turn is important to set up, and you're able to do a lot, but a great cost. Grab Glorfindel from the deck, Erkenbrand's horn to grab Woodhall Elf, Celebring to grab Silver Ewer. 5 cards from the deck for 10 twilight. If you play all of it, depends on the rest of your hand. Other than that, you have potential strong companions and 1 that is good to go..Gamling has done his duty. With Woodhall Elf you can start the drawing. Draw as much as possible, to build up your shadow. That's why Isildur is in it as well, a potential 10 card shadow hand when Ithil Stone is also on the table.

Shadow is pretty straigth forward: gain initiative, play a nazgul or 2, exert them for Black Marshall to add twiligth and when you have emptied your hand, just reconcile with under foot....huge swarm! Like it baby.....

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October 19, 2008, 12:09:41 PM
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Re: Morgul Swarms
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2008, 12:09:41 PM »
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Grab Glorfindel from the deck, Erkenbrand's horn to grab Woodhall Elf, Celebring to grab Silver Ewer.
Your deck has no Galadriel's Silver Ewer.

October 19, 2008, 01:42:52 PM
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2008, 01:42:52 PM »
Are you sure that 35/35 is enough and that you will have cards left at site 8 and 9? I think you should also add the no skirmish event / ability site.

October 19, 2008, 01:51:46 PM
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2008, 01:51:46 PM »
Strange that silver ewer somewhere has gone missing...35 is not small in my opinion. Could add more minions but I think that 1 decent swarm could do the trick... But there are many minions....
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October 19, 2008, 02:17:17 PM
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Re: Morgul Swarms
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2008, 02:17:17 PM »
You know, to make it NB and Jordiproof. I think I nailed it, but criticism is ofcourse most welcome!

Ha.

Any deck that packs good condition removal on the freeps should have an easy time killing your initiative. That being said, I recommend completely dropping the Toldeas and Sneaks, and instead run the Morgul archery increasers and the [Wraith] Gothmog.

Um...yeah. To proof vs my decks, you need wound prevention or the ability to kill between the shadow and archery phase. Because all my decks kill in maneuver and archery (freeps/shadow), choke like heck (FP), or swarm like heck (shadow). Exception are combo decks.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2008, 02:24:35 PM by NBarden »
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October 19, 2008, 02:57:26 PM
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 02:57:26 PM »
you would do nothing NB. Condition removal isn't interesting..initiative is only interesting during shadow and there my conditions are untoucheble for your namarie and such...only thing that would hurt could be Brooding on Tomorrow, but that's why Buckland Homestead is there. After my shadow, you're welcome to ruin my conditions, but I couldn't care....I've seen this deck in action and trust me: it hurts. And probably Clockwork's version is even better. With this one I was unlucky, but still able to play 11 minions.....nothing fun about that I guess...
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October 26, 2008, 10:51:07 AM
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2008, 10:51:07 AM »
Not really, when you're facing off against Aragorn's Bow and  5 other archers.
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October 26, 2008, 11:18:05 AM
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2008, 11:18:05 AM »
If this, if that. Sure, nowhere I say that this is the perfect deck. But work with me, instead of just saying this would kill the deck, or that would kill the deck. There is always something to kill of a deck. I mean Mordor Fiend could be killed with 3 Shadowplays and an Unheeded in hand. Oh and fruitloops can be killed by tentacle swarm and solosmeagol, remember?....
Rather try to see the deck's potential, and try to improve it. I love the deck, I've been slaughtered with it, slaughtered with it....
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October 26, 2008, 12:00:03 PM
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2008, 12:00:03 PM »
Ok, well...you wanted to make it proof vs my decks, I advised more archery kill power. All my *good* decks run Shadowplay/Unheeded, Gorn's Bow and a bunch of archery.

So here's my advice. Starting with...


2x *Ithil Stone (9R+47)
3x *Streaming to the Field (8U78)
2x *Under Foot (10C52)
2x Black Marshal (10U53)
3x *Ulaire Cantea, Faster Than Winds (7R211)
1x *Ulaire Enquea, Thrall of the One (10R68)
3x *Ulaire Toldea, Wraith on Wings (7R219)
3x Desert Sneak (7C135)
3x Morgul Brute (7R188)
3x Morgul Destroyer (7U190)
3x Morgul Lackey (7C193)
3x Morgul Spearman (7C201)
4x Morgul Whelp (7U202)

OUT:

4 Desert Sneak
2 Under Foot
1 Ulaire Enquea, Thrall of the One
3 Morgul Lackey

IN:

1 Ulaire Lemenya, Eternally Threatening
4x Morgul Lurker
4x Morgul Ambusher
1x Gothmog, Morgul Commander

Cuts back on the swarm power a bit, but pure swarm really doesn't work in standard anymore. You gotta survive the archery phase in order to get to skirmish, and so you counter with your own archery. If you can slap down a surprise Gothmog, with all the threats associated, you can cause some serious threats, and then once you manage to drop someone, everything else falls like dominoes. Then your swarms are more potent, because swarming 5 companions is easier then swarming 9 companions, though they might not be as impressive.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2008, 12:03:51 PM by NBarden »
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October 27, 2008, 11:40:36 AM
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2008, 11:40:36 AM »
Well after all this modifications, does GE's deck get a "NB's decks proof" seal?  #-o

Nice deck GE, morgul orcs are not that popular but very effective if you ask me. Love their decks, my brother runs the archery one and it's so cool ;)

Oh and BTW, you'll go crazy trying to modify a deck to play against archery and shadowplay, so don't even bother IMHO :D I think half my decks would be totally pwned agains archery, but what they hey  :up:

October 27, 2008, 12:12:56 PM
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2008, 12:12:56 PM »
Hey, he asked for help. I'm just trying to help him out, the reason swarms aren't played in standard is because archery runs rampant in standard.

IDK why you guys are all ticked off at me for trying to help him make his deck archery proof. If you wanna run it as it is and die to archery, fine, but at the start of the thread, I remember quite distinctly saying that he wanted to make it NB and Joridproof. We both run 9 comps and some archery takedown (I'm all pre-skirmish takedown, and the only swarm deck that's killed me are Forestguls), maybe that's why our decks are good. If you want to survive against highly competitive standard, you need to cope with mass archery.

If you're playing it for fun, then go ahead and keep it, I like the style points, and I have a soft spot for all-out swarm. But to survive in standard, you should probably run it typical Morc swarm, which is with the archery increasers and an odd Gothmog.

Either way, I still think you should toss in a Gothmog. Because you dump a swarm of archers. :D
« Last Edit: October 27, 2008, 12:16:30 PM by NBarden »
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October 27, 2008, 02:00:14 PM
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2008, 02:00:14 PM »
NB, I really appreciate your input, but still I think that a decent swarm can hurt a lot. With the threatadding you are able to neglect some direct wounding...But don't think I don't appreciate it, because I like most of your ideas....allthough it is very, well, effective....which is not always the way I want to go ;)
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October 27, 2008, 02:58:01 PM
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2008, 02:58:01 PM »
ODDBALLS :UP:. Sorry dear friend for the spam but had to represent the crew, LOL.
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October 27, 2008, 04:13:59 PM
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2008, 04:13:59 PM »
Ahem... could you to settle this little arguement in, I dont know, a game!? No deck will always win. My Expanded IB deck got utterly annhilated by Ninja Gollum. I thought it was invincible. After that I realised nothing is.

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October 27, 2008, 05:36:19 PM
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2008, 05:36:19 PM »
   I played against clockw0rk´s deck and i can say it´s pretty good. Like all swarm decks (maybe better we say all decks) it haves some weakness, but i ensure you it can cause great pain!

   The best thing about this game is that is nearly impossible make an all invencible deck  :up: 

   And can´t forget the greatest opponent of all decks: Bad draws! No one can stand against a solid deck with terrible draws.  :hey:

October 29, 2008, 08:30:49 AM
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2008, 08:30:49 AM »
Heck yeah. One time, it seemed that my deck sorted itself into all shadow cards on top, and all freeps on bottom. That was painful.
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