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January 15, 2020, 10:18:40 AM
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« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2020, 10:18:40 AM »
Thank you Ket. This may have been ask before but that particular condition Fortress Never Fallen Even tho you could stack many tokens on it; but when do you have to discard it? If there are say 4 tokens on it but you only use two of them do you still have to discard it regardless, even if some tokens remain?
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January 15, 2020, 10:44:16 AM
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« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2020, 10:44:16 AM »
Discarding the condition is part of the regroup action.  Unless individual parts of an action say something like "you may", you will have to do all parts that you're able to.
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January 15, 2020, 10:58:06 AM
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« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2020, 10:58:06 AM »
Discarding the condition is part of the regroup action.  Unless individual parts of an action say something like "you may", you will have to do all parts that you're able to.

Ok but for sure you do not have to even think of discarding it until you at least use 1 to how many other tokens off of it, right?

January 16, 2020, 03:38:13 PM
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« Reply #78 on: January 16, 2020, 03:38:13 PM »
No matter how many tokens are "used" to discard your opponent's conditions, all remaining tokens and the copy of Fortress Never Fallen are discarded from play.

Premise: Fortress Never Fallen in play with three tokens; Your opponent has two Goblin Armory.
Regroup Action: Use Fortress Never Fallen to discard shadow conditions. You can discard three total shadow conditions, but discard only the two that are in play. The token goes unused. You discard Fortress Never Fallen per its game text.

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January 16, 2020, 03:57:00 PM
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« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2020, 03:57:00 PM »
No matter how many tokens are "used" to discard your opponent's conditions, all remaining tokens and the copy of Fortress Never Fallen are discarded from play.

Premise: Fortress Never Fallen in play with three tokens; Your opponent has two Goblin Armory.
Regroup Action: Use Fortress Never Fallen to discard shadow conditions. You can discard three total shadow conditions, but discard only the two that are in play. The token goes unused. You discard Fortress Never Fallen per its game text.

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Ok then I guess it is best to use it all up, if there are 3 players involved use two on one opponent and one on another. While I only have one copy I guess if you had more you could play another copy whenever.

January 16, 2020, 04:48:18 PM
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« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2020, 04:48:18 PM »
Honestly, you just have to use your best judgment. If you are playing Moria and have eight tokens and they only have one Goblin Armory, sure, it's fine to wait. If you are playing Moria and have eight tokens and they only have one Goblin Swarms with twelve stacked minions, then you bet your #$&*@! you'd use Fortress Never Fallen.
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January 17, 2020, 04:07:50 PM
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« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2020, 04:07:50 PM »
Thanks Ket

January 17, 2020, 04:24:57 PM
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« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2020, 04:24:57 PM »
Here is a Knight/Fortification question: For cards like Fifth Level where bearer is strength - 1 for each fortification you can spot; if say 1 or more fortifications are already on minions (the ones you can play during the maneuver phase) you can count them as being spotted as well as the ones still down in your support area correct?

Also In the general strategy write up it says: Unlike previous fortifications that transfer during the maneuver phase, Fifth Level can be transferred from minion to minion at will. Not sure I totally understand this? I suppose during the maneuver phase if you already transfer a Fifth Level to a minion you could instantly transfer it to a different minion but what is the purpose of that? Obviously you put it on a certain minion in the first place for a reason why transfer to a different one right away?  The only thing I can think of, if it is possible to do, is for a card like Turgon.  Exert Turgon to wound a minion bearing a [Gondor] fortification. While STILL in the maneuver phase transfer Fifth level to a new minion and repeat with Turgon and so on if Turgon has enough vitality?
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January 17, 2020, 07:05:26 PM
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« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2020, 07:05:26 PM »
Besides certain fortifications is there another card similar to While we yet live that reduces a minion's strength in a Skirmish Event,  I keep thinking there is but I might be just imagining it

January 18, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
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« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2020, 12:19:48 AM »
On the Card Fallen Lord I am going to assume that Gimli Bearer of Grudges cannot serve double duty as the Ring Bearer and a Dwarf both, or would I be wrong?

January 18, 2020, 03:42:43 AM
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« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2020, 03:42:43 AM »
Here is a Knight/Fortification question: For cards like Fifth Level where bearer is strength - 1 for each fortification you can spot; if say 1 or more fortifications are already on minions (the ones you can play during the maneuver phase) you can count them as being spotted as well as the ones still down in your support area correct?

Yes, you can spot your fortifications in the support area and on minions.

Also In the general strategy write up it says: Unlike previous fortifications that transfer during the maneuver phase, Fifth Level can be transferred from minion to minion at will. Not sure I totally understand this? I suppose during the maneuver phase if you already transfer a Fifth Level to a minion you could instantly transfer it to a different minion but what is the purpose of that? Obviously you put it on a certain minion in the first place for a reason why transfer to a different one right away?  The only thing I can think of, if it is possible to do, is for a card like Turgon.  Exert Turgon to wound a minion bearing a [Gondor] fortification. While STILL in the maneuver phase transfer Fifth level to a new minion and repeat with Turgon and so on if Turgon has enough vitality?

The earlier maneuver fortifications specified that they transferred "from you support area to a minion".  Fifth level doesn't have the "from you support area" part of the text, so it is allowed to transfer from one minion to another.  Scenario: shadow has 2 minions with 2 vitality.  FP spots knights, transfers fifth level to minion A, exerts Turgon to wound minion A.  Spots knights, transfers fifth level to minion B, exerts Turgon to wound minion B.
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January 18, 2020, 03:46:12 AM
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« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2020, 03:46:12 AM »
Besides certain fortifications is there another card similar to While we yet live that reduces a minion's strength in a Skirmish Event,  I keep thinking there is but I might be just imagining it

There are many cards that reduce strength, several are events.  Read through http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/list_of_strength_cards
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January 18, 2020, 03:48:23 AM
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« Reply #87 on: January 18, 2020, 03:48:23 AM »
On the Card Fallen Lord I am going to assume that Gimli Bearer of Grudges cannot serve double duty as the Ring Bearer and a Dwarf both, or would I be wrong?

If he's bearing the one ring, then he is both the ring-bearer and a dwarf, so he could take both exertions to boost his own strength.
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January 18, 2020, 06:15:04 AM
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Re: Larry5000 Questions
« Reply #88 on: January 18, 2020, 06:15:04 AM »
Besides certain fortifications is there another card similar to While we yet live that reduces a minion's strength in a Skirmish Event,  I keep thinking there is but I might be just imagining it
The Highest Quality is the only Skirmish event that fits. Eregion's Trails would but is at Maneuver. Or City Wall as a fortification.
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January 18, 2020, 06:16:08 AM
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« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2020, 06:16:08 AM »
That is great news Air Power on Gimli BoG taking both. And thank you for the other replies as well.