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[Hobbiton Lad]

Known issues as of 8-10-19:

-•Gandalf, Disturber of the Peace gains strength bonuses from all Hobbits, not just Hobbit companions. (Needs confirmation.)

This thread will be updated as bugs become fixed and/or found.

[Hight91]

Goblin Howler (1U162) triggered ability does not add any strenght.

[Hobbiton Lad]

I Will Help You Bear This Burden does not give Frodo his +1 strength bonus.

[Hight91]

Goblin Scimitar does not add strength to the goblin (1C171)

[Phallen Cassidy]

Saruman's Staff, Instrument of War doesn't add vitality or strength.

[Phallen Cassidy]

Arrows of Light doesn't have a limit. I don't believe there's anything to prevent the Free Peoples from making the archery total -100 to discard every shadow condition, is that intended? I think you'd need the text to copy A Grey Ship or Reckless We Rode.

Also, the image title of 1R64 has a typo.

[Chrispy77]

Saruman's staff doesn't add strength bonus

Boromir's sword cannot be equipped to Boromir

Witch King with Witch King Sword doesn't require exertion like it should to discard conditions

[Chrispy77]

Also Old Toby cannot have two copies in play. Not sure if game thinks it's unique, or if Bilbo being in play when I wanted to play the second copy changed anything.

[Chrispy77]

When Galadriel reveals a 0 cost card off the top of the deck the game automatically ends

[Viggo]

Here's the ones i've seen so far in my games:

Barad-Duuuuur Captain's "name a free peoples" text choice isn't showing up in game chat, making it impossible for the fellowship player to see what the shadow player chose.

Crippling Arrows isn't allowing the prevention of fierce skirmishes.

Sword of Orthanc isn't allowing the +2 bonus strength.  

Retribution when played is allowing the player to select any card currently in play to make +1...including sites  

I have not seen this one yet myself but a player in one of my games told me the Blade of Gondor is allowing the player to wound in the maneuver phase. 

Not sure if this is a bug or not, or if it's just how the card is designed, but the site Banks of Nen Hithoel allowed me to heal 3 extra wounds from having 3 total cultures out. The site reads "heal an extra wound for each culture over 2 you can spot." So technically i can spot 3 total cultures so i should be able to heal 3 extra wounds right? Or is this not how the card is intended to be read and played. 

The One Ring DoFP is allowing the player to put on the ring using the exertion cost, even if the ring bearer is already exhausted.

[Hobbiton Lad]

Crippling Arrows isn't allowing the prevention of fierce skirmishes.

I think this is a problem with the design of the card. Played the card during maneuver against minions who haven't taken archery wounds yet means that the card can't spot wounded minions yet to prevent from being fierce.

[MarcinS]

The following changes have been made (will not be reflected until next restart):
"Crippling Arrows" now checks for wounds at any time, not just the time it was played
"Barad-dur Captain" now should show in game chat, what culture is selected
"Galadriel" doesn't do anything if she reveals 0 twilight card
"Old Toby" is no longer unique
"Saruman's Staff" adds Strength and Vitality
Shadow weapons add strength bonuses
"I Will Help You Bear This Burden" now adds strength and resistance
"Goblin Howler" adds strength bonus to itself
"The One Ring", "Doom of Free Peoples" no longer automatically allows to prevent wounds without putting it on in Maneuvers
"Seeking my Counsel" now allows to play Saruman from discard
"Find the Halfling!" should now be playable
"Gandalf's Pipe" must be borne by Gandalf
"Boromir", "Champion of Minas Tirith" is no longer called "Boromor"
"Robin Smallburrow", "Sheriff of Hobbiton" can't cancel skirmishes on site 5.
"The Palantir or Orthanc", "Corruptor of Wizards" is now unique
"Gathering Evil" is unique
"Answers in the Fire" should allow to draw cards now
"Sam, Humble Halfling" should allow to remove burdens

Things I was not able to find (please re-check, give more info):
"Gandalf, Disturber of the Peace" getting bonus for non-companion Hobbits
"Arrows of Light" has a limit of the current archery total
"Witch King" and the weapon, do not require exertion, based on the card text?
"Blade of Gondor" allowing to wound in Maneuver phase
"Banks of Nen Hithoel" allows to also spot shadow cultures, not just FP cultures
"The One Ring, DoFP" can be put on with either an exertion or discarding a card

[Phallen Cassidy]

"Crippling Arrows" now checks for wounds at any time, not just the time it was played

...

"Arrows of Light" has a limit of the current archery total

Sorry, I was unclear. Arrows of Light should not have a limit, according to the card. The code may do what's intended, but the text of these two cards will need to be changed to reflect that. For Crippling Arrows, you'd need "Until the regroup phase, wounded minions are prevented from being fierce" or something similar. Perhaps not "bugs" but "errors."

[Phallen Cassidy]

"The Mirror of Galadriel, Revealer of Portents" is listed as a condition.
"Eastemnet Plains" is a Regroup or Fellowship action, not sure if that was intended to make the code easier. Doesn't change the game, really.
"Lorien Patrol" doesn't appear to wound a non-Isengard minion (site 6, I believe: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Phallen$3z0h5gcti350lxii)

[MarcinS]

"The Mirror of Galadriel", "Revealer of Portents" is now an artifact
"Lorien Patrol" now wounds a minion

After some discussions with Hobbit_Lad, the text of  "Eastemnet Plains" was changed to:
Plains. Fellowship or Regroup: Make the move limit +1 for each culture over 2 you can spot in the fellowship (limit once per turn.)

Otherwise, it would not be very clear, when the bonus was to be applied, as the number of cultures might continually change (new ones played, old ones dying).

[Hobbiton Lad]

After some discussions with Hobbit_Lad, the text of  "Eastemnet Plains" was changed to:
Plains. Fellowship or Regroup: Make the move limit +1 for each culture over 2 you can spot in the fellowship (limit once per turn.)

Otherwise, it would not be very clear, when the bonus was to be applied, as the number of cultures might continually change (new ones played, old ones dying).

I will be updating the text of this card within the next day to reflect this change.

I will also be updating Arrows of Light to add the "(to a minimum of 0") qualifier, correcting the spelling error on Answers in the Fire, and re-wording Crippling Arrows to say, "Until the regroup phase, each wounded minion is prevented from being fierce."

That said, I will have to find alternate hosting for the cards for the time being because Kralik has not been in touch with me for some time. These original images are hosted here on the Wiki, but I have no way of updating them right now because I have no FTP access. I hope to secure some web hosting on Monday and then I will change the image mapping to reflect the new host.

[Phallen Cassidy]

Endurance of Dwarves doesn't add vitality.

[Chrispy77]

Retribution allows you to give conditions, minions, and sites a str +1 Bonus (lol!)

Southfarthing doesn't play a pipe at start of the game

Goblin scimitar (I think this one was fixed) doesn't add str bonus.

[Viggo]

Gimli's Battle Axe isn't giving the +2 strength bonus

[MarcinS]

The following have been fixed (after next restart):
"Endurance of Dwarves" now adds vitality
"Gimli's Battle Axe" now adds strength

"Southfarthing" does not work, because (from rules):
"Site text is not active when the starting fellowships are played."
Its text will probably have to be changed to work within the rules.

[Viggo]

black steed isn't giving the +2 str bonus

[nikolathos]

Black Steed doesnt give the +2 str. to the nazgul

[Hobbiton Lad]

Flaming Brand is unique in Second Edition, but right now the FPP can play multiple copies.

[Viggo]

dwarven battle axe isn't giving the +2 str

[Viggo]

dont know if this a bug or not, but when i play crossing the threshold and i have my own copy of the great eye in hand, it allows me to reveal the great eye and add a burden to my own ringbearer.

[MarcinS]

The following have been fixed (after restart):
"Black Steed, Bred to Serve" now gives its +2 Strength bonus
"Flaming Brand" is now unique
"The Great Eye, Wreathed in Flame" now allows to be revealed, only if its your opponents turn

[Viggo]

crushing blow is only giving +2 strength bonus even if a dwarven card is stacked on a condition

[Hobbiton Lad]

So we are having some issues when it comes to the rules and cards stacked on conditions. In Comprehensive Rules 4.0 it says, "Stacked cards are not in play and are not active. You cannot spot them."

But then we also have cards like Goblin Swarms and all the stacking Besiegers, which definitely create situations where a card (or site) checks to see what kind of card is stacked on it. I'm not sure how to remedy this problem. It looks as though some cards may need to be re-tuned in order to align with the rules.

[Phallen Cassidy]

Depends on the card. Cards in the discard pile are not in play or active, but you can still play Gollum, Plotting Deceiver if you have initiative. Cards in your hand aren't active either, but there are plenty of interactions with them (e.g., Power and Terror). Catapult checks a card on the top of a deck. I think that the rules create a distinction between the ability to spot a card and the ability to see what a card is. To spot is a specific action, and there are valid and invalid targets of it. To see what a card is, you just need eyes (and permission). You'd need to reword any cards telling you to spot those cards, but it's easily done the same way Troop Tower does it: "for each..." Other than that, the rules aren't very restrictive here.

[Hobbiton Lad]

You'd need to reword any cards telling you to spot those cards, but it's easily done the same way Troop Tower does it: "for each..." Other than that, the rules aren't very restrictive here.

Yeah this is my conclusion as well. Eventually I'll need to make a pass to ensure we have consistent phrasing on the cards in this set. We're making good progress though. Hopefully in another couple weeks we will have the majority of bugs worked out, weird rules interactions fixed, and can start focusing solely on balance changes.

But Elves have to get nerfed now. Good lord. I had no idea they would be this powerful. Haha.

[MarcinS]

Yes, problem is in the phrasing of "spot a stacked..." you cannot spot them. But it's ok to say "if there is a stacked card...". Or you could say "spot a condition with a stacked ... on it"

Anyway:
"Crushing Blow" now should be able to give +3 Strength bonus

[Chrispy77]

Trechery Runs Deep doesn't seem to activate whenever the opponent takes a wound.

[MarcinS]

Fixed (after next restart):
"Treachery Runs Deep" should now be playable when companion is wounded

[Chrispy77]

When the witch king wins a skirmish, an exhausted Frodo is able to "exert" (and take no exertion token as he is exhausted) to avoid taking a burden. I don't know if the nazgul event that has the same effect has the same issue, but it might be worth checking as well.

Thank you!

[Chrispy77]

Galadriel ended the game when she used her ability during Aragorn's skirmish (her ability only works during skirmishes with elves)

[Chrispy77]

*It may have been Peering Forward that caused the game to crash- it was my opponent playing. Unsure.

[Viggo]

when celeborn reveals a twilight 0 card the game crashes

[Hobbiton Lad]

Sword of Orthanc's game texts works at any site but it should only work at a battleground.

[MarcinS]

Fixed after next restart:
"Sword of Orthanc" now works only at Battlegrounds

As for the Galadriel, Witch-king (ring-bearer not exerting) and Celeborn - I need a game replay link - available in your Game History tab.

[Chrispy77]

Saruman's Throne (artifact) doesn't reduce twilight of saruman cards by copies of saruman on throne

[MarcinS]

Saruman's Throne (artifact) doesn't reduce twilight of saruman cards by copies of saruman on throne

The code looks fine, can you provide game replay link, and on which site it happened and what card you wanted to play/played that was not cheaper?

[Viggo]

got a few bugs since reset. these may be existing ones not fixed yet or ones that have been attempted to be fixed and are still bugging out, but here they are.

the site 1 that says discard 1 card to make frodo str+1 until the end of the turn is not giving the +1 bonus until the end of the turn. the +1 bonus is disappearing as soon as you move to site 2.

when the ring bearer is exhausted and the witch king's text when he wins a skirmish is triggered, you are allowed the option to exert frodo and place no token for the exertion even though he is already exhausted. this may or not be a bug i dont know, i dont know if the comprehensive rules allow this to be fair play so clarification would be appreciated.

also, when the ring bearer is exhausted, you are still allowed to use the rare version of the one ring to exert frodo and place no token for the exertion, just like when he is exhausted in the example above. again, this may or not be a bug, im just not 100% sure on what the comprehensive rules state.

[MarcinS]

Fixed (after next restart):
- "Bag End" now adds Strength until end of turn
- "Ever Watchful", "To Mordor We Will Take You!", "The Witch-king, Greatest of the Nine", and "The One Ring, Doom of Free Peoples" will no longer allow to choose to exert an exhausted character

[Hobbiton Lad]

Frodo's Pipe allows the Free Peoples Player to heal multiple companions during the fellowship phase even though the card says (limit once per phase). It might be worth another look to see if the other pipes allow the same thing.

[Dictionary]

@Hobbit_Lad: I'm curious, why not have your pipes trigger "at the start of the phase"? I know Decipher used this to limit things like Bow of Minas Tirith (I'm sure there are earlier examples, but I can't think of any atm). I thought limits were more for the amount of quantity gained from the effect rather than number of times used (like in Trust Me As you Once Did)?

[Hobbiton Lad]

@Hobbit_Lad: I'm curious, why not have your pipes trigger "at the start of the phase"? I know Decipher used this to limit things like Bow of Minas Tirith (I'm sure there are earlier examples, but I can't think of any atm). I thought limits were more for the amount of quantity gained from the effect rather than number of times used (like in Trust Me As you Once Did)?

We could do this, but for all the pipes that have fellowship phase actions, you would have to trigger a ton of actions at the beginning of the phase, not to mention Merry, if you're using him to fetch pipeweed.

[Hobbiton Lad]

Orc Marksman should be unique but isn't.

[zaksirak]

When you play Grace of the Valar on Gandalf, Wisest of the Istari you cannot draw a card.

[MarcinS]

The following will be fixed (after restart):
"Grace of the Valar" is now a Spell
Any actions that have a limit, will now (again) correctly apply the limit

I could not find any problem with "Orc Marksman", could you provide a game replay link, where two were in play at the same time?

[Dictionary]

"Avoid Being Seen" is incorrectly named "Aboid being Seen" on Gemp.

[Not a Zombie]

The gondor card that give +2 str, or +4 if in fierce skirmish can target any active card, including sites and minions

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Sweet$mzumszwd1kfs61wz

[MarcinS]

Fixed (after next restart):
"Avoid Being Seen" is now correctly named
"Sentinels of Numenor" can now only be played on GONDOR companion

[Not a Zombie]

Elrond ally allowed me to discard a gondor card from my deck to heal a companion

[Not a Zombie]

Elrond also does not give an option to leave a shadow card on top of deck. Forces you to discard it and a shadow condition

[MarcinS]

Fixed (after next restart):
- "Elrond, Peredhil" now only allows to heal if an ELVEN card is revealed (not just FP card), and the discard of a shadow card is optional
- cards that prevent removal of burdens (ie. "Black Breath") now correctly prevent that effect

[Phallen Cassidy]

Bound to This Fate doesn't work if the losing character is removed from the skirmish (killed). Site 2 here: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Phallen$g42hsgq99gimm4ae

Does work at site 3, where the skirmish ended in an overwhelm.

[MarcinS]

After next restart:
"Bound to This Fate" effectively works now as if it had text "...wins a skirmish involving a companion..."

The problem is, that if a side is removed from skirmish (ie. death), even though the other side won a skirmish, there is no losing characters. This text change should fix the problem.

[Phallen Cassidy]

So now I'm a bit confused. The Current Ruling Documents says:

skirmish phase

A losing character is any character on the losing side when a skirmish revolves. If a character is removed from his or her skirmish and there are still one or more characters on each side of that skirmish, the removed character is neither a losing nor a winning character.

... but the Comprehensive Rules contradict this:

skirmish phase(S)

...

A losing character is any character on the losing side in a skirmish when it resolves. Also, any character removed during his or her skirmish is a losing character, even if that character's side eventually wins.

Since there's not more than one companion skirmishing I don't think the CRD ruling applies here, but I'm still not totally sure of the way to reconcile these two. Am I missing some context? Is the CRD for before that skirmish begins, but the Comprehensive Rules when the characters are skirmishing?

[MarcinS]

I'd have like 10 different difficult questions for someone who designed the rules, but we don't have anyone like that.

Currently the way it works on Gempukku is - if a character is removed from skirmish, the winner did win, but NOT win against that removed character, but the removed character DOES count as losing the skirmish. Whom a character won/lost skirmish against (involving) only looks at the characters present when the skirmish is being resolved.

This is all contained in the following class:
https://github.com/MarcinSc/gemp-lotr/blob/master/gemp-lotr/gemp-lotr-logic/src/main/java/com/gempukku/lotro/logic/effects/ResolveSkirmishEffect.java

[zaksirak]

I played Mysterious Wizard without spoting Gandalf and game crashed. Also Barad-Dur Captain and It will destroy them all game text ware changed, but printed text on card is still the old one.

[Hobbiton Lad]

Swordarm of the White Tower is a skirmish event but is attaching to a companion as if it were a condition.

[Hobbiton Lad]

Barad-Dur Captain and It will destroy them all game text ware changed, but printed text on card is still the old one.

This is fixed now.

[MarcinS]

Swordarm of the White Tower is a skirmish event but is attaching to a companion as if it were a condition.

The code looks fine. Might be a matter of wrong image assigned to a card? Can you provide game replay link?

Edit: As predicted - the images for cards 121 and 122 are switched.

[Hobbiton Lad]

Swordarm of the White Tower is a skirmish event but is attaching to a companion as if it were a condition.

The code looks fine. Might be a matter of wrong image assigned to a card? Can you provide game replay link?

Edit: As predicted - the images for cards 121 and 122 are switched.

Fixed.

[Viggo]

Gandalf's Staff isn't allowing the maneuver "exert twice to discard" text to happen. 

[MarcinS]

Gandalf's Staff isn't allowing the maneuver "exert twice to discard" text to happen. 

Fixed (after restart)

[Viggo]

Mysterious Wizard is not giving any str bonus at all. My opponent played 2 at site 2 in this replay.

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Viggo$s4tx9jv3lz83dirg

[MarcinS]

Mysterious Wizard is not giving any str bonus at all. My opponent played 2 at site 2 in this replay.

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Viggo$s4tx9jv3lz83dirg

Sorry, should be fixed now (no restart needed)

[Viggo]

boromir gauntlet cancelled the game for my opponent on site 5 in the replay: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Viggo$yphg07ketuvx31ii

[MarcinS]

boromir gauntlet cancelled the game for my opponent on site 5 in the replay: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Viggo$yphg07ketuvx31ii

Fixed (after restart).