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Pepin The Breve
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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2009, 04:38:22 PM »

Cant believe no one has commented on my Aragorn choice... do you all agree with me that Captain of Gondor is the worst Gorn!?

  Worst Gorn? No way!!! One of my favorites if you ask me. I run him even outside a knights deck, just to get a strenght 9 gorn (yes, i run Isildur as RB) that can use advantage of Knight's Mount and can add some healing power to my deck.
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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2009, 04:51:23 PM »

Actually I did start in the Fellowship Block... but for some reason I forgot he was in it. I guess he wasn't important around where I played. Tongue

You obviously never played against Last Alliance choke.
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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2009, 05:05:29 PM »

Cant believe no one has commented on my Aragorn choice... do you all agree with me that Captain of Gondor is the worst Gorn!?
I disagree... because I can't just throw away the fact that he's a knight!

Looking over the discussion, for the folks defending certain choices, it would be interesting to see what their thoughts on the worst version would be. Obviously we all have different ways of looking at things, but for the sake of the topic I think we have to draw the line somewhere (unless we're totally comparing apples to oranges).

For example, does any competitive Rohan deck choose Sister-son of Theoden over Third Marshal of Riddermark, even in Towers block? His text basically says "Use me in a Rohan allies deck!" but I still think TMoR is the better companion, for the sheer skirmish power. But possibly another version is even worse than SsoT. Same for Gandalf. You guys have made a good case for why The Grey Wizard might not be the worst, but is there another that could take his place?
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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2009, 07:39:31 PM »

Actually, I take it back with The Grey Wizard. I had a deck with him but had forgotten that he requires exertions... if it was without I think he'd be more competitive.
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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2009, 09:11:16 PM »

I think Grey Wizard is the worst, except for maybe, and I'm sure someone has an amazing deck using him, Bearer of Obligation.  Granted he is a ring-bearer, but I don't like how almost every other RB companion can do something even if they aren't the ring-bearer except this one.  I guess Faramir doesn't, but he does have an ability. 

The Grey Wizard-Choke, and Trust Me potential***Possibly Worst Gandalf
Friend of the Shirefolk-Rainbow potential, hunters potential, High Strength
The Grey Pilgrim-Splash, draws cards, Aragorn Signet
The White Wizard-Gandalf Signet for Trust Me and strength but does require 3 twilight, good in twilight flood decks***possibly worst Gandalf
Greyhame-Discarding Hobbits, but Theoden signet***Possibly Worst Gandalf
Mithrandir-Aragorn Signet can help him heal, High Strength, damage +1, shadowfax can help, as can sent back
Defender of the West-Good for a single or 2 culture deck, high strength, Gandalf Signet
Manager of Wizards-Elven Telepathy, -3 to minions, can lose intiative
Leader of Men-Start Gandalf for 2 twilight, allows for Gandalf to help other cultures with his tech, but limits his skirmishing power
Leader of the Company-Another Gandalf that helps Rainbow decks and can splash also, resist.
The White Rider-Skirmishing potential, I'd like to see a deck using him, Skirmish canceling if nothing else
Bearer of Obligation-see above. ***possibly worst gandalf, but after having listed some of the ones above could be worse
Powerful Guide-8 str., works with hobbits, direct wounding, draws cards
Returned-Gets his sword, reinforces tokens
Wise Guide-8 str., and can cancel events

Sorry if i missed any.

I'm thinking probably Greyhame, the White Wizard is not really my favorite either, I think Defender of the West is a more Reliable version of him.  Then there's Bearer of Obligation.  Again he doesn't do anything if he's not the Ring-Bearer, he is even worse because he is 5 resistance.

For me, I think the Grey Wizard is better than all of those, with possibly the exception of Bearer of Obligation because I'm not really familiar with decks that run Gandalf as the ring-bearer.
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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2009, 01:11:15 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation even doesn't have got any ability - and only 5 resistance... and
- you MUST spot 2 other companions
- you MUST discard 2 Gandalf cards or add 3 burdens  Evil

- no way... just reduce Gandalf's resistance to zero (what is not necessary because he has got always some burdens)... and if he has got some possessions that pump his resistance, discard them...
- I played with a Gandalf Ringbearer against a dwarven discard deck... how do you want discard those cards if you don't have got any cards in the deck anymore (at site 4!!!)
- if you got a bad draw (starting hand with 7 shadow cards... could happen)... you need to add the burdens...  Brick Wall
- your opponent perhaps must not play any cards and Gandalf kills himself...

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down

So, I think, Gandalf BoO is obviously the worst Gandalf... (if you consider, that Gandalf is as Saruman and Sauron the most powerful beeing in middle-earth)
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2009, 02:17:57 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down
Yes, that's because he's GANDALF in your starting fellowship for FREE! I don't think I can stress this enough. Gandalf is the most useful companion to have around, by far, and BoO gives him to you FOR FREE! No silly waiting to draw Gandalf, no LoM, no SftF to turn LoM into a useful version of Gandalf, you're saving a whole load of cards by starting BoO for FREE!

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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2009, 02:28:00 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down
Yes, that's because he's GANDALF in your starting fellowship for FREE! I don't think I can stress this enough. Gandalf is the most useful companion to have around, by far, and BoO gives him to you FOR FREE! No silly waiting to draw Gandalf, no LoM, no SftF to turn LoM into a useful version of Gandalf, you're saving a whole load of cards by starting BoO for FREE!

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Yes... I know...

but IMO it would have been engough to say: 6 instead of 5 resistance and 2 burdens instead of 3 burdens... then, you have a chance to SURVIVE... so, this ringbeaerer makes your deck very weak and lose competitiveness...
I don't say he should be as a normal Gandalf... I know there must be something like a set back... but not THIS ONE.

Imagine one of your companions get killed by a fast shadow... and you don't draw another one... you are even not able to prevent taking those burdens...and you lose...
Imagine to be in my situation: play against an discard deck... at site 4 or 5 your deck is completely discarded... and then? you lose...
imagine you got a bad draw... and must take those burdens... the shadowplay only needs to add one or another burden... and you lose
Imagine your shadow player don't play anything... Jarnsmid cannot remove burdens... and you lose...

Although I like Gandalf... here I just got to say: Gandalf is a real loser...

I played most of my games with Gandalf Ringbearer... but he es really to weak

If you want to have Gandalf in your starting... and not just that poor LOM... play

- Faramir BoQ + Gandalf wise guide or
- Gimli Ringbearer + Gandalf Leader of the company
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« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2009, 03:05:41 AM »

If you want to have Gandalf in your starting... and not just that poor LOM...
Funny stuff how "Leader of Men" is always the one that ends up being burned. Pwned! That's what you get for trying to lead us rabble. Evil

Guess I'd nominate Bearer of Council as the worst Boromir, then. Even decks needing a Gondor Ring-bearer might go with Faramir, so his ARB status might not save the day, either.
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« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2009, 03:20:39 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down
Yes, that's because he's GANDALF in your starting fellowship for FREE! I don't think I can stress this enough. Gandalf is the most useful companion to have around, by far, and BoO gives him to you FOR FREE! No silly waiting to draw Gandalf, no LoM, no SftF to turn LoM into a useful version of Gandalf, you're saving a whole load of cards by starting BoO for FREE!

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Saving a whole load of cards? LMAO



How many cards will you have to discard and how many cards will you have to play to remove burdens?? Dude, how is that saving cards, just tell me??

I prefer frodo, son of drogo a thousand billion times over gandalf, boo.
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« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2009, 03:43:31 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down
Yes, that's because he's GANDALF in your starting fellowship for FREE! I don't think I can stress this enough. Gandalf is the most useful companion to have around, by far, and BoO gives him to you FOR FREE! No silly waiting to draw Gandalf, no LoM, no SftF to turn LoM into a useful version of Gandalf, you're saving a whole load of cards by starting BoO for FREE!

Thranduil

Saving a whole load of cards? LMAO

How many cards will you have to discard and how many cards will you have to play to remove burdens?? Dude, how is that saving cards, just tell me??


I actually see both sides of this, I agree with Thran in respect to Gandalf for 0 cost in your fellowship is rocking and he has other advantages such as drawing stuff for gandalf before you actually get him! But Leo is right; saving cards is not one of them. You have to stack your deck with cards just to lose them. My BoO deck haemmorhages cards.

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« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2009, 05:38:07 AM »

I run a Rohan fighting RB deck with Gandalf and its good, but I have to dedicate quite a bit of deck space to burden removal!
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« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2009, 05:59:47 AM »

Most terrible character in the film and printed are all versions of Haldir. And then I'm not talking about any gametext or something.
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« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2009, 06:01:45 AM »

That's great, but he's from black rider
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How many players on these forums started the game in Fellowship block? Huh? Ah, the good ol' days...

Hey Kralik I'm a little busy nowadays; but pretty soon I'll be on my feet and hoping to contact you at that gCCGappl Huh? for fellowship block gaming...
I have plenty decks in that format. It's my favorite block.
well, I do have lackey but I haven't installed the other appl and I'm also re-recruting old friends of mine who used to play too.
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« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2009, 04:50:28 PM »

I did start from fellowship block, and I must state Mithrandir is hands down the worst Gandalf. His autowounding just sucks.

I like BoO and have a nice dekc with him. There are several good characters within the gandalf culture that can get cards back... Grimbeorn + axe by example. And if they dont play anything, move lsowly and let the opponent choke himself. He will have to empty his hand with shadow in order for his free peoples to work.
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