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February 08, 2010, 09:47:02 AM
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Almost flawless LttG
« on: February 08, 2010, 09:47:02 AM »
Ok, I understand problem some could have with the title, cause it brings a lot of expectation with it. It has however a 15-1 winningrate give or take, and the only time I lost was due to insane bad draws, which is nearly impossible in a small deck like mine.

I was a bit reluctant to get this deck here. Many of you play GCCG and when you will see my starting line-up, you know what to expect...however, I am thinking of a deck quite simular to this one, with an other shadow, that takes advantage of wounds on the RB, so please, keep him/her exhausted  :twisted:...

The deck:

I start Isildur, Glorfindel and Gandalf. Burn both Glorfindel and Gandalf asap to get: Galadriel, Elrond and into the West, MoW, Send Back and Gandalf's Staff. The whole idea is to use Into the West to the max! Put cards on top of the deck, shadowcards, and put them back underneath the deck with into the west. With her ring and gandalf, you could put 5 cards back in the deck. The goal is to filter all freeps cards out of the deck, building your hand to a few lttg and some orcs, and gollum. And there you have it: the lttg bomb!

   Frodo And Ring
*The One Ring, The Binding Ring (9R+1)
*Isildur, Bearer of Heirlooms (RB)(9R+33)

Sites
(1R)Rohirrim Road (7U332)
(2R)King's Tent (7U335)
(3R)Hall of the Kings (7U339)
(4R)Pelennor Plain (7U343)
(5R)Pelennor Flat (7U345)
(6R)Minas Tirith First Circle (7U347)
(7R)Ruined Capitol (7U355)
(8R)Northern Ithilien (7U359)
(9R)Narchost (7U362)

Fellowship (30)
1x *Albert Dreary, Entertainer From Bree (1R69)
2x *Barliman Butterbur, Prancing Pony Proprietor (1U70)
1x *Celeborn, Lord of Lorien (1R34)
1x *Elrond, Herald To Gil-Galad (3R13)
1x *Galadriel, Keeper of Nenya (6R18)
1x *Gandalf's Staff (2R22)
1x *Narya (3R34)
2x *Nenya, Ring of Adamant (9R20)
1x *Ent Horde (6R28)
1x *Gandalf, Leader of Men (8R15)
1x *Gandalf, Manager of Wizards (7R37)
1x *Glorfindel, Revealed in Wrath (9R+16)
1x *Lindenroot, Elder Shepherd (5R19)
1x *Quickbeam, Bregalad (6C33)
1x *Skinbark, Fladrif (6R35)
1x *Treebeard, Keeper of the Watchwood (10R18)
2x Into the West (7C23)
1x Sent Back (9R27)
3x A Wizard Is Never Late (1R87)
1x Deep In Thought (3C30)
1x Roll of Thunder (4U99)
4x Saved From The Fire (8R20)

Shadow (30)
1x The Underdeeps of Moria (1R200)
3x Captured by the Ring (7C53)
4x It Wants to be Found (2U78)
4x Lost to the Goblins (1R189)
1x *Gollum, Dark as Darkness (9R+28)
2x *Ulaire Enquea, Lieutenant of Morgul (1U231)
1x *Ulaire Enquea, Ringwraith in Twilight (2U83)
3x *Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight (2R84)
4x *Ulaire Otsea, Ringwraith In Twilight (3U86)
3x Goblin Runner (1U178)
4x Goblin Sneak (1U181)


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February 08, 2010, 09:55:16 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 09:55:16 AM »
This deck is insane. I have seen it in action. Thankfully, not against me!
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February 08, 2010, 09:57:26 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 09:57:26 AM »
Yep, nasty deck.  I saw what was coming from the shadow so decided to go slow and try to win with my sahdow before he got the the bottom of the deck.  Problem was the freeps side was too big with all those ents so I failed to get to his ringbearer.

Should have run with my exhausted ringbearer, but was afraid there would be some hidden trap I wasn't ready for (maybe twilight witchie, wraith world or something like that).  Maybe I should have just stockpiled 4 Nobody Tosses a Dwarf until his deck was down to 10-15 cards.

February 08, 2010, 02:55:56 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 02:55:56 PM »
It's a good deck! I like that it filters out Freeps cards and can hit before the deck is completely out. Your opponent won't know when they will lose. GE, what's the earliest you've had it work? Site 4 or 5, perhaps?

February 08, 2010, 07:22:34 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 07:22:34 PM »
What if Into the West gets discarded? What if you play vs Res12 Frodo? Is it the 1 loss out of 15? Maybe you can just run I guess.

February 08, 2010, 08:03:19 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 08:03:19 PM »
4x LttG should add 12 burdens if done right... It Wants to Be Found and Northern Ithilien help as well.

February 08, 2010, 08:16:49 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 08:16:49 PM »
I tossed Into the West (the turn he played it I think) and still lost.  Didn't get corrupted, he just sprinted to the end.  With a load of ents showing up real fast, I couldn't stop him.  Real close though.  Had 11 or 12 minions at 9, but he had a def +1 ent and I was 1s short of overwealming the ringbearer.  Stupid Sent Back throwing away my Guard Commander when I had like 12 pool to use.   ](*,)
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February 08, 2010, 08:37:23 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 08:37:23 PM »
4x LttG should add 12 burdens if done right... It Wants to Be Found and Northern Ithilien help as well.
You are right. It sounds pretty deadly. What are you going to do vs Corruption with 6 Res Isildur?

February 08, 2010, 11:10:19 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 11:10:19 PM »
And that is why I call it almost flawless, haha. I played vs corruption though and was able to pull it of before the opponent did. Narya peels of 1 each turn. If I get SftF turn 1 and 1 or 2 support cards in hand, I am likely to get all my freeps out at site 4/5. I corrupted either sweet or legolas at site 5, when he played 12 resistance frodo.
Into the West is pretty sweet, but when it get's discarded, I use every SftF I get. Use my own crowdcontrol to get back to 5 companions and all freeps out of the deck.
So it can be very, very swift. At 30-30 it is slim and so the odds are in my favor. Depending on my opponent I just take 1 turn at the time, and the trick with Send Back was sweet. Gwaihir had a quite a few minions, and I had 3 orcs on Isildur, together strength 15. He had the Guard Commander out and 12 pool to use indeed. Send Back did send him back, haha.
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February 09, 2010, 03:14:46 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2010, 03:14:46 AM »
I think it's a good deck, but what if an opponent decides to get his ringbearer exhausted for example taking threat wounds or exerting himself while you have no moria minions on table? Did somebody take a thought of that and tried it? To me it seems one of the 3 flaws in your deck: Burdens is the other one and I think you'll get it difficult against a discarddeck. But still I think it's horrifying, because you only need 6 to 12 (against Dauntless Hunter) twillight to do your trick. Impressing!
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February 09, 2010, 05:24:04 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2010, 05:24:04 AM »
The good thing is that especially those who do not know or expect LttG will be in trouble. And that was the main reason why I was reluctant to post this deck and the reason why I will make a deck simular to this one that takes advantage of wounds on the RB. The biggest threat of this deck is knowledge. If someone expects LttG he will indeed keep his RB exhausted. That is why I play it with twilight nazgul. It could be another attempt at crushing the RB with burdens. Some saw it, were satisfied, because with their deck they had nothing to fear of Twilight Nazgul and they shouldn't. Plus, if you don't have ways to exhaust your RB, other than losing skirmishes, you don't like Nelya fierce damage+1 on your RB, in most cases.

The threats of this deck:

-knowledge
-heavy corruption
-a well played Fierce in Despair (I am so going to abuse that card in the nearby future :twisted:)
-discard --> only deck that causes my PC to crash, and not being able to load that game again :lol: I HATE DISCARD DECKS. I guess I have mentioned that before.
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February 09, 2010, 05:59:58 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2010, 05:59:58 AM »
See what you mean, but don't you give the information yourself by using into the west and playing those orcs?

Don't get me wrong, because I might see pressing, I am verry impressed by the deck you came up with and give great compliments for it! You've started puzzling me!

And doesn't most people hate discard...

February 09, 2010, 07:15:25 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2010, 07:15:25 AM »
Seriously, as long I only show some moria and nazzies, most don't have a clue...
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February 13, 2010, 03:27:45 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2010, 03:27:45 AM »
Maybe you want to insert Radagast for a tripple move?

February 22, 2010, 04:43:41 AM
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2010, 04:43:41 AM »
hmmm, people. I need your opinion. I am a bit doubting about certain cards. First:

- Ringbearer. Isildur is a strong RB, but easy to corrupt, especially with binding ring. Still I like to use binding ring, for obvious reasons. Getting rings out of my deck.
- Twilight nazzies are great, but I have found myself with a filtered deck, and only 3 or so LttGs, which isn't helpful at all. In the past I have played this with the Palantir from TTT, which enables you to reveal the top card from any drawdeck and gives you the option to put it underneath that deck. Which could be a huge help, again for obvious reasons. With a filtered deck, just go and search for the last LttG. I could use some nice annoying [Isengard] minions such as grima, saruman, uruk soldier etc. Low costing minions with nice abilities.

Let me know what you think!
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February 22, 2010, 11:25:14 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2010, 11:25:14 AM »
First, I like this Deck very much. Than, as for the cheap minions, use Uruk Spy! Fits in perfectly and can be a part of the bomb.

February 23, 2010, 03:30:40 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2010, 03:30:40 AM »
Heije,

You want to filter fast right and you want something that is strong enough against burdendecks. Following deck (with actually 8 more cards I played against a corruptiondeck and It survived! I actuaaly added 4 burdens myself as well! You will think only one thing lame in it Wink

The One Ring, The Binding Ring
Isildur, Bearer of Heirlooms

Start:
Gandalf, Leader of Men
Oathbreaker
Galadriel, Lady Redeemed

Fellowship:
2 Elrond, Herald to Gil-galad
Vilya
Legolas, Greenleaf
Narya
The Shards of Narsil
4 Elf Song
4 Banner of the White Tree
Anduril, Flame of the West
3 Saved From the Fire
King of the Dead, Oathbreaker
2 Sleepless Dead
Narsil, Blade of the Faithful
2 Scroll of Isildur
3 Aragorn, Elessar Telcontar

You don't need Swept Away. It will only add threats and you don't want that. Threatremoval will happen by killing of companions. No problems with decks that want to discard fs conditions and or possesions and you will cycle fast thanks to The Shards of Narsil, which you get out with saved from the fire. With 38/38 I was through my deck at about site 7. So guess what happen if you only play 30/30  ;)

Yeah I know GLR is lame, but very needfull in this deck.. Either you use her to remove possesions or conditions or you use her toremove 4 burdens.Or you burn her to get your support :) I love Kate Blanchet  :uh-huh:

Isuldur becomes resistance 9 by the way!

About the shadow..., maybe you want to replace 4x It Wants to be Found (2U78) with 4x Morgul Brute? Would be a burden or a wound on the rb, which makes you able to do your trick.
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February 23, 2010, 06:18:31 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2010, 06:18:31 AM »
Wounds on the RB are a liability, not a help, when it comes to LttG.

February 23, 2010, 02:15:55 PM
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2010, 02:15:55 PM »
Wounds on the RB are a liability, not a help, when it comes to LttG.

Don't you play it when you are sure you can do the trick. To me this deck is all about timing.

February 23, 2010, 02:22:17 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2010, 02:22:17 PM »
It is indeed all about timing, but when I want to do the trick I need a hand filled with LttG, orcs and gollum/captured. That is why I think about the Palantir, which is in my opinion very consistant. Muaddib, if you see Ben, ask him to review my deck, because I know he has played LttG as well ;-)
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February 23, 2010, 05:22:26 PM
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2010, 05:22:26 PM »
Don't you play it when you are sure you can do the trick. To me this deck is all about timing.

I think you misunderstood. The problem is that if your opponent is aware that you are playing LttG, they can seek to exhaust the RB so that you cannot exert him. Therefore, being able to add extra wounds to the RB actually hurts rather than helps you.

February 24, 2010, 03:20:49 AM
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2010, 03:20:49 AM »
Don't you play it when you are sure you can do the trick. To me this deck is all about timing.

I think you misunderstood. The problem is that if your opponent is aware that you are playing LttG, they can seek to exhaust the RB so that you cannot exert him. Therefore, being able to add extra wounds to the RB actually hurts rather than helps you.

See what you mean. In that case the mentioned Uruk Spy is very optionel. Palantir could be very usefull.

But if I see using somebody a combination moria + wraith nazgul then I automaticly go exhaust my rb.

By the way if you would play in Austrian, open or expanded you could use the site to heal your opponent (they must heal as it not states: you may (that's how I use radagast deceived)). After that you can wound or exert the rb again.

Would Slippery as Fishes be helpfull?

February 24, 2010, 03:26:55 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2010, 03:26:55 AM »
Early game is can be helpful absolutely, and it is good that it is an option, so who knows. Yeah, when you come to think of all the possibilities you are likely not to play this deck. I am testing it now with a Isengard twist....
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February 24, 2010, 03:54:35 AM
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2010, 03:54:35 AM »
Early game is can be helpful absolutely, and it is good that it is an option, so who knows. Yeah, when you come to think of all the possibilities you are likely not to play this deck. I am testing it now with a Isengard twist....

So your still not ready for comming Sunday, when I'm comming to beat you ;) Think I've got a very nasty deck.. Actually I would have 3 decks in play. Erwin and Menno will play with my 2 other decks.

Are we actually allowed to switch decks during the tournament? You mentioned that earlier...

February 24, 2010, 05:14:38 AM
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2010, 05:14:38 AM »
But if I see using somebody a combination moria + wraith nazgul then I automaticly go exhaust my rb.

And's that why my LttG decks all have alternate versions where it LOOKS like a LttG deck, but hits you in the end with Resistance Becomes Unbearable + Wraith World. :mrgreen:

But my favorite LttG deck doesn't really give any opportunities to exhaust the RB, unless you can do it in the Fellowship phase (possible, but it really depends on whether you use the sorts of cards that exert to add tokens, etc)

February 24, 2010, 06:39:52 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2010, 06:39:52 AM »
And in regroup you can when you have either preparations or BRC....
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February 24, 2010, 07:13:21 AM
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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2010, 07:13:21 AM »
And in regroup you can when you have either preparations or BRC....

I had those prolems with exhausting, too, but there's a very simpl way to prevent the whole thing:

play 4 copies of Sweeter Meats!

You already have Gollum, DaD and CbtR, so if you can keep Gollum with at least 3 vitality until the regroup phase to exert, so you'll win anyway!

February 24, 2010, 08:05:08 AM
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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2010, 08:05:08 AM »
Sam, Samwise the Brave.   ;D.  Not a real common card, but he's in one of my decks.  And he's not helpless either.
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February 24, 2010, 08:13:17 AM
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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2010, 08:13:17 AM »
Not... ahem... Helpless'ed?

February 24, 2010, 08:21:09 AM
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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2010, 08:21:09 AM »
 ;)  No worries.

February 24, 2010, 10:52:43 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2010, 10:52:43 AM »
Sorry but I had a question regarding the use of Into The West in this deck. Does it place every card revealed by its game text under the deck or just the elven ones? To me, the text seems to imply all cards revealed by it go under the drawdeck. I'm just wondering how this can be useful to the shadow side of your deck when you reveal a key shadow card like Lttg and have to cringe as it's tossed under the entire deck.

February 24, 2010, 11:57:15 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2010, 11:57:15 AM »
It does...the instructions come in three parts, like so:

1)Exert an elf->Reveal the top card
2)IF it is an elf card, remove three threats.
3)Place that card beneath your draw deck (note the lack of an "if" statement)

and I'm no shining tactician, but it seems to me that drawing Lttg late-game seems to be a part of the strategy...although others may prove me wrong.
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February 24, 2010, 12:16:07 PM
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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2010, 12:16:07 PM »
I think the idea is to use MoW to put cards on top of your draw deck that you want to go to the bottom. Thus Shadow cards get sent to the bottom while Free Peoples cards stay in your hand, until the bottom dozen or so cards are all shadow. When you get down to the point where only Shadow cards are left, you exert/wound the Ring-bearer and throw down your LttG x4.
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February 24, 2010, 12:33:12 PM
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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2010, 12:33:12 PM »
Sam has it exactly right -- you choose with Gandy MoW.

February 24, 2010, 12:36:26 PM
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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2010, 12:36:26 PM »
Sam has it exactly right -- you choose with Gandy MoW.

And keep the LttGs in hand (stupid hand clog, btw!)

February 24, 2010, 02:16:58 PM
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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2010, 02:16:58 PM »
(stupid hand clog, btw!)

Which is exactly why you need a deck that can deal with it. :)

February 24, 2010, 02:40:15 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2010, 02:40:15 PM »
and this is such a deck...allthough I have improved it a bit more.....will share with you later, when I am writing my report on how I won the tournament with it, hahaha
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February 25, 2010, 02:45:47 AM
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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2010, 02:45:47 AM »
and this is such a deck...allthough I have improved it a bit more.....will share with you later, when I am writing my report on how I won the tournament with it, hahaha

Not any chance Heije ;) hahaha You won't have a card left at site 5;)

February 25, 2010, 03:44:40 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2010, 03:44:40 AM »
If you play discard vs me, I will leave the tournament with sudden headache, hahaha.
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February 25, 2010, 06:02:29 AM
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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2010, 06:02:29 AM »
If you play discard vs me, I will leave the tournament with sudden headache, hahaha.

Well... at least one of the apg will play discard ;)

oh.. and as it seems now it might be that we come with 6 or 7 people:)
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May 03, 2010, 09:48:22 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2010, 09:48:22 PM »
Is there anything in the movie block that could stop events from taking effect (i.e. preventing the event from discarding)? Or is the only way to counter it to run a choke deck and/or have multiple copies of companions in the deck?
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May 03, 2010, 10:18:58 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2010, 10:18:58 PM »
There is The Board Is Set (7R32) but outside of that I really cant think of any other cards since im pretty sure you were talking about freeps...
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May 04, 2010, 02:02:28 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2010, 02:02:28 PM »
Well, against LttG, you can just keep your Ring-Bearer exhausted and run like crazy, but against others... you  can use wounding to prevent most events being played at all, but this is another story. But if you wanna counter any event, Abbott465 was right, the board s set is the only one that can cancel any Shadow event in Movie.

July 08, 2010, 10:57:18 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2010, 10:57:18 AM »
well I don't know how it works online, but I understand that Into the West requires you to "reveal" the top card of your draw deck.  You said that one of the flaws of the deck was prior knowledge by the opponent, but I don't see how anybody's going to remain clueless once you start revealing LttG.

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July 08, 2010, 01:53:04 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2010, 01:53:04 PM »
Why would he reveal LttG? He chooses which cards get revealed and sent under the deck with Gandalf, MoW during the skirmish phases.
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July 08, 2010, 04:51:06 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2010, 04:51:06 PM »
So he's only revealing moria minions then?  That's still a bit of a giveaway.  Although there are several variations on this deck, so it's not like the opponent would be able to figure out exactly how his demise is being orchestrated.
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July 09, 2010, 10:31:22 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2010, 10:31:22 AM »
I've seen Heije pull this deck at site 4 or 5. Your opponent may not have enough time to realize what's going to hit them... and the twilight Nazgul keep things interesting. The key to LttG is, of course, the surprise, but it can be doable even if your opponent knows. My favorite LttG (not posted here) is designed to work regardless of foreknowledge.

July 09, 2010, 11:26:59 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2010, 11:26:59 AM »
Yours involves stacking on preparations, right?
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July 09, 2010, 07:42:53 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2010, 07:42:53 PM »
Yup yup. And tentacles.

July 09, 2010, 07:59:07 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2010, 07:59:07 PM »
Muaddib, if you see Ben, ask him to review my deck, because I know he has played LttG as well

Just noticed this..

Unfortunately I have lost his contact details and he doesn't appear on gccg or here anymore.. A shame too, his decks were always the best and most challenging to play against.

March 27, 2013, 09:52:17 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2013, 09:52:17 AM »
Hi everyone,

I'm reviving this old thread because I love the idea behind this deck but have some difficulties to understand how to make it work properly.

I built the deck myself IRL and last time I tried, I got crushed at site 2 because I gave too much twilight in the first fellowship phase, abusing Saved from the fire I guess.

Has anyone a replay link from Gemp showing this deck working?

Kralik has recently made some available for During Secret Society of Dear Friends and it illustrates greatly the strength and weaknesses of that deck.

March 29, 2013, 09:08:24 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2013, 09:08:24 AM »
My first attempts at that deck were complete failures!

Of course, I didn't know the card well enough and made huge mistakes (forgetting about the rule of 4, thinking MoW could make a minion skirmishing the ring bearer -3, etc.)

But even if I would not have made those mistakes, I was far from pulling the LttG bomb! Didn't even manage to start putting the [Moria] cards at the bottom of the deck... And the twilight you give is just so huge it's often suicidal to try to build the fellowship...

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=neopium$pf991u1l4e29s2xz
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=neopium$jm4p1pk1r9y29aju
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=neopium$0z6ymg017fwaqlnf

Advice needed please :)

March 30, 2013, 04:58:58 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2013, 04:58:58 AM »
I've played this exact same deck 29 times now with Gemp but not recently. Won 11 times, lost 18 times.
First 8 games I've lost as well because I was still learning how to play it well.
Haven't played it recently but i'll see if I can play it properly and post a replay link. :) It's fun to play but not easy to pull off against every deck.

March 30, 2013, 05:23:04 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2013, 05:23:04 AM »
Thanks Mad Goblin!

It would be very helpful.

I guess I have to play it 5 more times before starting to win then ;)

April 05, 2013, 01:36:47 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2013, 01:36:47 PM »
Didnt want to start another thread with a deck idea and sense it a LTTG deck figured I'd post it here to see if anyone has thought of this idea.

Bearer and Ring:
Frodo, Resolute Hobbit
The One Ring, The Binding Ring

Fellowship:

Gimli, Feared Axeman (start)
Linnar, Dwarven Lord (start)
Durin III, Dwarven Lord x3
Uri, Dwarven Lord x2
Farin, Dwarven Emissary x2
Dwarven Axe x4
Axe of Erebor x2
Dwarven Bracers x4
Hand Axe x4
Ring of Fury
Ring of Retribution
Ring of Accretion
Bounder
Sting, Bane of the Eight Legs
Dwarven Heart x2
Preparations x3
Ever My Heart Rises
Rest By Blind Night

Shadow:

Goblin Runner x4
Goblin Sneak x4
Goblin Backstabber x3
Goblin Scavengers x4
Gollum, Dark As Darkness
Goblin Swarms x2
Goblin Armory x4
They Are Coming
Goblin Scimitar x4
Web
Captured By the Ring x3
Lost to the Goblins x4

Idea is to hopefully get your minions stacked on swarms so you don't have to hold them in hand and Gollum and Web. Play it all from the possessions and conditions. Stack shadows cards on Preparations then shuffle it in to your deck. All you should need to hold in your hand are the 4x LTTG. Use the sneaks as well to put minions under your draw deck and replay them with They Are Coming so you need less stacked on Preparations.. Once you know how many shadow cards you have on the bottom plus the number you will be shuffling (of course the LTTG in hand) Use Ever My Heart Rises to empty your deck down to the set number then shuffle preparations into your draw deck and drop the bomb. Make sure you use Ever My Heart Rises before you shuffle the Preparations in or you will likely mix up free peoples carp and ruin the idea.

I'm doing this fairly tired so I may have made an error or missed placing a key card in the deck so bare with me lol.

NK

« Last Edit: April 06, 2013, 07:32:22 AM by NappyKorn »
If a Balrog falls from a bridge and noone is around, does it make a sound?

April 06, 2013, 07:25:55 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2013, 07:25:55 AM »
Hi and thanks for sharing.

In your deck list, Gollum is missing.

I like the idea, but I think it depends on many many conditions, that can be discarded easily (both on shadow side and free people, even though you have Gimli feared axeman).

Did you try it already? Does it work well in play test? Replay links are always appreciated :)

Thanks

April 06, 2013, 07:31:30 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2013, 07:31:30 AM »
No havent tested it yet, I havent had much time lately to play. I knew I missed something I have to check the list make sure the cards are even or if I added an extra something here and forgot to type gollum because on gemo the deck list is showing a gollum and the card count is even. When I get a chance to test it I'll post a replay link.

Yeah I have 34 shadow and 35 Fellowship cards apparently i just forgot to type gollum in the list.

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April 06, 2013, 07:38:24 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2013, 07:38:24 AM »
No problem, it's already nice to share.

When you read this forum thread, Kralik seems to have also built a LttG deck based on Preparations. He however never shared his list. Maybe he can also give you some feedback.

April 06, 2013, 07:43:17 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2013, 07:43:17 AM »
Yeah Kralik is a good player and I likes to keep his secrets until he perfects the deck or plays it alot and basically everyone has lost to it, LOL.

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June 07, 2013, 12:43:19 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2013, 12:43:19 AM »
Another failure:
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=neopium$6vs8wiqfx1apyzko

But I improve!

This time, I did not forget the rule of 4, did not give tons of twilight without being sure I could survive the next skirmish phase. The only mistake was at site 7 or 8, were I discarded Saved from the fire while I needed to burn Glorfindel.

It was way too late to start the deck filtering with Galadriel and into the west, but I could have had a better last draw (I was missing Gollum, Dad or CbtR and a third LttG)...

June 07, 2013, 05:10:57 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #60 on: June 07, 2013, 05:10:57 AM »
As the topic title implies, it's "almost" perfect.

Well, I "almost" won ;)

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=neopium$oqx13mtzfhdod29m

This time, I could really start to filter my deck.

Unfortunately, in the end, I was missing one or two LttG to corrupt the guy... and I still made a few mistakes... but I'm getting closer and closer!

June 11, 2013, 05:31:40 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2013, 05:31:40 AM »
A while ago I tried this deck again and promised to play the link. :)

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=MADG0BLIN$c344nx8zwx5jr9q2

He used his 12 resistance frodo and I got lucky with my site in the end. ;) But I won. ;)

June 11, 2013, 05:45:50 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2013, 05:45:50 AM »
Impressive, thanks for the link!

Just one remark: in the end, you did not use Into the West that much...

June 13, 2013, 06:21:14 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2013, 06:21:14 AM »
Here is a replay link were I crushed my opponent... not the way I expected however!

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=neopium$yvw1zwu3fxyso31r

June 14, 2013, 02:42:13 PM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2013, 02:42:13 PM »
I did it, I did it!

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=neopium$tohyfh0s9t0qvggj

That's the bomb I was waiting for!
So yes, it works... well, sometimes... But I really have a good time playing that deck, thanks Gil-Estel!

February 01, 2017, 02:41:07 AM
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Re: Almost flawless LttG
« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2017, 02:41:07 AM »
So...fast-forward 7 years later (after original post). I spent like three hours scouring through Gemp's card collection, trying to find a way to abuse Lost to the Goblins and which format it would go best with. Turns out, I practically built this deck without even knowing it was here!

I chuckled when I saw this thread, shook my head and said, "ahhh, there's nothing new under the sun."

Just the same, I love the idea. I'm going to make it happen!

November 19, 2017, 02:00:38 PM
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« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2017, 02:00:38 PM »
And over 7 months after your post I salute you!
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