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June 30, 2015, 01:03:22 PM
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1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« on: June 30, 2015, 01:03:22 PM »
The comprehensive rulebook says:
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THE MIRROR OF GALADRIEL 1 R 55
Erratum:
Plays to your support area. Each Elf ally whose home is site 6 is strength +1.
Maneuver: If an opponent has at least 7 cards in hand, exert Galadriel to look at 2 of those cards at random. Discard one and replace the other.
If you cannot look at a Shadow player's hand, the effect of The Mirror of Galadriel's special ability is ignored.

Reprinted correctly as a random rare in Fellowship beta Starter Decks.

I have both the original and the reprinted versions of the card (see attachment), but the reprinted card says Fellowship: instead of Maneuver: on the card. Was there another erratum after the reprint?

Kind regards,
Niels
« Last Edit: July 04, 2015, 11:53:28 PM by nielsd1981 »

June 30, 2015, 02:28:42 PM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2015, 02:28:42 PM »
That's right!

By 2003 (possibly earlier) they had made it a maneuver action.

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/_media/crd_2003_0603.pdf

July 01, 2015, 09:07:46 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 09:07:46 AM »
I think nielsd1981 may have a point. The latest CRD document (which would overrule earlier documents) specifies it is a supplement to Section 3 of CR 4.0. Section 3 of CR 4.0 has an entry for this card in it. In that entry, it does specify the text as a maneuver action BUT it also specifies that the card was "Reprinted correctly as a random rare in Fellowship beta Starter Decks." nielsd1981 correctly points out that the reprinted card specifies it is now a fellowship action. With the Comprehensive rules stating that this card is indeed printed correctly, I'm thinking it really should be a fellowship action now.

Thoughts?
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July 01, 2015, 11:17:50 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 11:17:50 AM »
I think nielsd1981 may have a point. The latest CRD document (which would overrule earlier documents) specifies it is a supplement to Section 3 of CR 4.0. Section 3 of CR 4.0 has an entry for this card in it. In that entry, it does specify the text as a maneuver action BUT it also specifies that the card was "Reprinted correctly as a random rare in Fellowship beta Starter Decks." nielsd1981 correctly points out that the reprinted card specifies it is now a fellowship action. With the Comprehensive rules stating that this card is indeed printed correctly, I'm thinking it really should be a fellowship action now.

Thoughts?

Yeah that's strange. I say it's a maneuver action, as the CR 4.0 states it is Maneuver right there.
 
The little subtext that said it was printed correctly and reissued in the beta starter decks (as well as Draft Packs, which were second printing) looks like it was carried over, and an oversight in the fact that the first reprinting was different from the subsequent erratum.

July 02, 2015, 07:11:30 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 07:11:30 AM »
Whereas Id say its more likely that decipher only intended to put a limit on the ability, not chang what phase it happens in. I think the crd is a typo that just kept getting copied and pasted and was never caught. Whats the point of changing what phase the action happens in?
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July 02, 2015, 07:32:38 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 07:32:38 AM »
Whereas Id say its more likely that decipher only intended to put a limit on the ability, not chang what phase it happens in. I think the crd is a typo that just kept getting copied and pasted and was never caught. Whats the point of changing what phase the action happens in?

There's big reasons why they changed the phase the action happens in.
Two weeks ago I was thinking, after having not looked at this card in a long time, that it maybe was a Fellowship phase action. I was thinking of combining it into a for-fun deck that I have had some success with that abuses What Are We Waiting For? and Drawing His Eye. Were you to combine this with those, you could harass even more.

In FotR block alone, you already have a lot of revealing hand/discarding in the fellowship phase going on. Decipher just wanted to control this a little bit, allowing the Shadow player to at least play some cards before Galadriel did her thing. This does make the card essentially useless, but it's now no different than many other sub-par cards that never got erratum.

July 02, 2015, 12:09:26 PM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 12:09:26 PM »
Thanks for the info/ideas!

July 02, 2015, 06:58:08 PM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 06:58:08 PM »
The fact remains that regardless of anything, the crd is in error. It both says that its a maneuver action, but then states that the reprinted card is correct. Those two statements are contradictory, so its a crd error that was never caught.
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July 03, 2015, 05:41:05 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2015, 05:41:05 AM »
Nothing is in error.

The card was actually revised twice. I started playing the game upon its release, so it's been a long time since then, but I was actively keeping up with the changes.

Anyway, I knew that the documents provided on this site aren't complete (at least I remember Decipher launching a lot more FAQS and Current Ruling Documents than we have here), and after digging quite a bit through the depths of the interwebs I found what I was looking for.

Here's a pdf showing the first erratum for The Mirror of Galadriel, as seen on the card that OP showed. I remember seeing one like this, in I think a Draft Pack, which is probably where the majority of them came from.

Later, they revised it again to make it Maneuver.

See attachment. The card in question is on the right side of the first page.

« Last Edit: July 03, 2015, 05:53:07 AM by dmaz »

July 04, 2015, 01:51:54 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2015, 01:51:54 AM »
Thanks for the clarification dmaz. Do you know if the card was ever reprinted with Maneuver on it?

The comprehensive rulebook states: "When a reprint card has its wording changed, that card gets an "A" revision mark at the end of its copyright line. When an "A" card is reprinted with a change, that card gets a "B"."

I don't think I've ever seen a card with a B though...
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July 04, 2015, 10:20:07 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2015, 10:20:07 AM »
Thanks dmaz, that is strong evidence.

nielsd1981, the most current version of the Comprehensive Rules (4.0) continues to state, "Reprinted correctly as a random rare in Fellowship beta Starter Decks." So, according to that, there should be a correct physical version floating around out there somewhere. Anybody seen one?
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July 05, 2015, 04:25:14 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2015, 04:25:14 AM »
I think that's just an oversight leftover from the first edition of the CRD. It was errataed once, reprinted, then errataed a second time to say maneuver. Decipher just forgot to remove the "reprinted version is correct" clause from the later editions.
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July 13, 2015, 12:31:32 PM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2015, 12:31:32 PM »
If this card ever activated in fellowship again, kiss goodbye to any formats its legal in.

March 26, 2016, 12:36:44 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2016, 12:36:44 AM »
yes the card was errata'd twice, the second time to be a Maneuver action (and thus almost impossible to actually use in game). it was terribly nerfed because it was terribly overpowered and format-warping.

March 29, 2016, 11:30:47 AM
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Re: 1R55 The Mirror of Galadriel
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2016, 11:30:47 AM »
I just found this thread... I remember playing tournaments before it was changed to maneuver. It was the most aggravating thing to play against it, the first erratum it got didn't do much (as it was used with Lady of Light + Lord of Lorien, ppl still got the 2 activation/turn out of it, just the same). Then it went from one of the most sought after rares to complete garbage.