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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:30 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Question that came up in an SdA game....

Let’s say I have a Nazgul on the table with 3 vitality. In my hand, I have The Witch-king, Captain of the Nine Riders (with his toil 2) and Dark Approach. I have four forest sites on the adventure path, so Dark Approach lets me play Wikkie for -4 twilight cost. My question is this: can I ALSO exert my other Nazzie to use Wikkie’s toil 2 and save another 2 twilight?

I am assuming the answer is no, since you normally can’t "combine two phase actions" in a manner like that. But is toil considered a phase action? It’s a bit of a grey area, at least to me and the player I was on with.

So, I’m guessing no, but hoping yes. Razz
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macheteman
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:41 pm
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 1200 Location: The Jungle
i think that, in this case at least, you can because you play the dark approach, to play the nazgul, then when you play him, exert the other dude to knock off another 2. of course, i’m not the best to answer this, so...

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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:53 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
macheteman wrote:
i think that, in this case at least, you can because you play the dark approach, to play the nazgul, then when you play him, exert the other dude to knock off another 2. of course, i’m not the best to answer this, so...

we need bib.

See, that’s what I was hoping, but I wasn’t sure. Toil is simply "for each [culture] character you exert when playing this, its twilight cost is -X". In this case, the event actually does the playing...but toil doesn’t care HOW the minion is played, I don’t think. So it should be a valid combo...at least, I hope. Very Happy
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macheteman
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:11 pm
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 1200 Location: The Jungle
exactly. i agree. we shall see my friend.
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Thranduil
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:11 pm
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The answer is yes.

Dark Approach is a shadow action so you can’t combine two of them, or even one of them and Morgul Gates.

However, Toil is a triggered action (’when you play this card...’) so you can combine them.

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bibfortuna25
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:22 pm
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 615 Location: Springfield, OR
Thranduil is correct. You can combine toil with Dark Approach.
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Thranduil
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:25 pm
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bibfortuna25 wrote:
Thranduil is correct. You can combine toil with Dark Approach.

As long as I have Bib’s approval, I’m happy! Razz

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macheteman
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:58 pm
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 1200 Location: The Jungle
w00t!! yeah!
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