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Thranduil
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:31 pm
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 2256 Location:
Now I’m embarrassed! Embarassed

SoP, you were right about my own mechanic - it triggers when assigned! GP

For reference:

Stalwart - ability (When this character is assigned to a character of greater strength, you may use this ability)

Thranduil
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:34 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Thranduil wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
My main concern now is one you still haven’t addressed: potentially playing these on the Ring-bearer...especially with the latter one. No way you should be able to drop a permanent -2 resistance on the Ring-bearer for NO twilight whatsoever. Heck, as is, I’d throw this into ANY Sauron deck just for that purpose. You need to either exclude the Ring-bearer entirely or nerf that resistance when they do bear it. Just WAY too powerful in that regard otherwise.

Fair enough. I don’t like that limitation for flavour reasons, and also it’s perfectly fine for a Free Peoples card, but I can see that gamewise the exception clause needs to be there, unless you have a better way.

Not that I can think of, sadly. I’ll let you know if I come up with something, though.

Thranduil wrote:
2 • The Ancient Darkness Sauron
Condition • Support Area
Each time a Sauron character wins a skirmish, you may add a Sauron token here.
At the start of each skirmish involving a Sauron minion, you may remove a token from here to make that minion gain "Stalwart - exert a companion skirmishing this minion."

Couldn’t you just do Stalwart - Terror 1 and save yourself some text?

Thranduil wrote:
3 Ensnared Sauron
Condition
To play, spot a Sauron character.
Bearer must be a companion (except the Ring-bearer). This condition’s twilight cost is -1 for each artifact borne by this companion (or -3 if he or she bears a ring).
Bearer’s resistance is reduced to 0 and cannot be increased.

I agree with SoP. Let the FP at least TRY to fight it. This is instant death to Isildur, Heir of Elendil, but I guess there’s really not much you can do about that. I would also exert a Sauron character to play it rather than merely spot.

Thranduil wrote:
0 Bent Roads Sauron
Event • Regroup
Exert any number of Sauron characters with a combined site number of 12 or greater to replace a site on the site path with a site from your adventure deck, and add 2 for each character exerted in this way.
And those that sailed furthest set but a girdle about the Earth and returned weary at last to the place of their beginning; and they said: ’All roads are now bent.’

Considering that many Sauron minions have a site number of 6 (and thus only two would be required), I’d increase it to combined of 13. Twisted Evil
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Thranduil
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:39 pm
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 2256 Location:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
Couldn’t you just do Stalwart - Terror 1 and save yourself some text?

Terror is undirected. This, as NB pointed out, is essentially a card for Sauron grind.

Changed the cards according to your suggestions.

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lem0nhead
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:08 am
Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 2981 Location: Blood Island
Thranduil wrote:


2 • The Ancient Darkness Sauron
Condition • Support Area
Each time a Sauron character wins a skirmish, you may add a Sauron token here.
Each time a Sauron minion is assigned to a skirmish, you may remove a token from here to make that minion gain "Stalwart - exert a companion assigned to this minion."

Wow this means any strong companions get exerted if someone lost last time. Think it should cost 3 cos its really hard.

3 Ensnared Sauron
Condition
To play, exert a Sauron character.
Bearer must be a companion (except the Ring-bearer). This condition’s twilight cost is -1 for each artifact borne by this companion (or -3 if he or she bears a ring).
Bearer’s resistance is reduced to 0 and cannot be increased.

Dont you think this card would make resistance targeting decks insanely powerful? Id have to see how you plan to use resistance, but if its really punishing then i think this card is sick. I already think its OP.

0 Bent Roads Sauron
Event • Regroup
Exert any number of Sauron characters with a combined site number of 13 or greater to replace a site on the site path with a site from your adventure deck, and add 2 for each character exerted in this way.
And those that sailed furthest set but a girdle about the Earth and returned weary at last to the place of their beginning; and they said: ’All roads are now bent.’

Better with Dain’s suggestion.


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Thranduil
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:20 pm
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 2256 Location:
lem0nhead wrote:
Dont you think this card would make resistance targeting decks insanely powerful? Id have to see how you plan to use resistance, but if its really punishing then i think this card is sick. I already think its OP.

Resistance targetting decks in my experience are not great. I feel like the fact that it requires the Sauron culture only, which should be best at it, and that Sauron literally had ultimate control over his subjects, makes it just about alright. It’s supposed to be powerful though.

Now an event to once again parallel some of the Elven cards about to be posted, and also a grizzly banner!

0 Sorceries Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spell.
Remove a threat and spot a Sauron character to choose 2 Sauron or Wraith events from your discard pile. Make the Free Peoples player choose one of those events for you to take into hand, then place the other beneath your draw deck.

2 Subtlety Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spot a Sauron ring to choose one: make each companion (except the Ring-bearer) resistance -1 until the regroup phase; or add 2 threats.

1 • Banner of Flayed Flesh Sauron
Artifact • Hand Weapon
Plays to your support area.
Maneuver: Remove [X] to transfer this artifact to a Sauron minion with a twilight cost of X.
Each time bearer wins a skirmish, you may choose another Sauron or Wraith minion to gain one of the following until the regroup phase: damage +1, terror 1, bloodlust 1, enduring 1.
Regroup: Remove 1 to transfer this artifact from a minion to your support area.

That banner is, by the way, referencing what Sauron did to Celebrimbor when he captured him, which was put his flayed skin on his banner.

Thranduil
Last edited by Thranduil on Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:44 am; edited 8 times in total'We do what we do because of who we are. If we did otherwise, we would not be ourselves.'
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:35 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Thranduil wrote:
0 Sorceries Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spell.
Spot a Sauron character to choose 2 Sauron or Wraith events from your discard pile. The Free Peoples player chooses one of those events, places it in your hand and the other beneath your draw deck.

I think the wording it a little off. Borrowing some of the wording from Birthday Present:

Spot a Sauron character to choose 2 Sauron or Wraith events from your discard pile. Make the Free Peoples player choose one of those events for you to take into hand, then place the other beneath your draw deck.

I’d also give this SOME cost. Removing a threat/burden, some twilight...something.

Thranduil wrote:
1 • Banner of Flayed Flesh Sauron
Artifact • Hand Weapon
Plays to your support area.
Maneuver: Remove 2 to transfer this artifact to a Sauron minion.
Each time bearer wins a skirmish, you may choose a minion to gain one of the following until the regroup phase: fierce, damage +1, terror 1, bloodlust 1, enduring 1.
Regroup: Remove 2 to transfer this artifact from a minion to your support area.

First off...ew. Thank goodness these are not physical, graphical cards. Sick Ahem, with that out of the way....

Hmmm. I think giving some of those keywords to certain other minions is dangerous at best, and very exploitably (is that a word?) broken at worst. I’d limit the cultures of minions that can benefit from this, personally, and/or limit the strength or cost or vitality of the minions that can bear it in the first place. Sauron has some downright beastly minions that are almost guaranteed to win skirmishes.
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Thranduil
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:49 pm
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 2256 Location:
Changed both cards and added another one which should have been in the original post.

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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:55 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Thranduil wrote:
2 Subtlety Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spot a Sauron ring to choose one: make each companion (except the Ring-bearer) resistance -2 until the regroup phase; or add 2 threats.

I’d certainly use this for the threat potential, as Sauron could desperately use some help in that area. Not entirely sure about the cost. Part of me screams for it to be 3, while the other part says 2 is fine. Wait on another review or two.
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

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sickofpalantirs
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:59 pm
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.
Thranduil wrote:


Now an event to once again parallel some of the Elven cards about to be posted, and also a grizzly banner!
don’t you mean grisly? I thought you were talking about Beorn’s banner Laughing

0 Sorceries Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spell.
Remove a threat and spot a Sauron character to choose 2 Sauron or Wraith events from your discard pile. Make the Free Peoples player choose one of those events for you to take into hand, then place the other beneath your draw deck.
works

2 Subtlety Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spot a Sauron ring to choose one: make each companion (except the Ring-bearer) resistance -2 until the regroup phase; or add 2 threats.
I sense your mirroring Wink

1 • Banner of Flayed Flesh Sauron
Artifact • Hand Weapon
Plays to your support area.
Maneuver: Remove 2 to transfer this artifact to a Sauron minion.
Each time bearer wins a skirmish, you may choose another Sauron or Wraith minion to gain one of the following until the regroup phase: damage +1, terror 1, bloodlust 1, enduring 1.
Regroup: Remove 2 to transfer this artifact from a minion to your support area.

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lem0nhead
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:33 am
Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 2981 Location: Blood Island
Thranduil wrote:
lem0nhead wrote:
Dont you think this card would make resistance targeting decks insanely powerful? Id have to see how you plan to use resistance, but if its really punishing then i think this card is sick. I already think its OP.

Resistance targetting decks in my experience are not great.

They are now youve made this card. Now theyre OP.

I feel like the fact that it requires the Sauron culture only, which should be best at it, and that Sauron literally had ultimate control over his subjects, makes it just about alright. It’s supposed to be powerful though.

Sauron could klll everything and anyone except Isildur if youre talking parallels. But u cant transcribe that inot the game too much.

0 Sorceries Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spell.
Remove a threat and spot a Sauron character to choose 2 Sauron or Wraith events from your discard pile. Make the Free Peoples player choose one of those events for you to take into hand, then place the other beneath your draw deck.

Either discard the not chosen one or make this cost or exert the character not spot.

2 Subtlety Sauron
Event • Maneuver
Spot a Sauron ring to choose one: make each companion (except the Ring-bearer) resistance -2 until the regroup phase; or add 2 threats.

Res -1.

1 • Banner of Flayed Flesh Sauron
Artifact • Hand Weapon
Plays to your support area.
Maneuver: Remove 2 to transfer this artifact to a Sauron minion.
Each time bearer wins a skirmish, you may choose another Sauron or Wraith minion to gain one of the following until the regroup phase: damage +1, terror 1, bloodlust 1, enduring 1.
Regroup: Remove 2 to transfer this artifact from a minion to your support area.

Dains’ right on the potential for abuse. I think its costed right it could maybe even cost 0 but as to who you play it on this needs REAL careful control.

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