The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Chamber of Mazarbul => Topic started by: sickofpalantirs on October 29, 2008, 11:14:42 AM
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yes. I'm making DC's.
you may hold the applause :lol:
anyway I gave this a try before, but I'm going to give it another. I will correct deciphers error, instead of using the resistance mechanic I will use signets. this will require, a new signet as I've decided I need one for the dwarves. I also need an elven signet.
once we've decided these I will begin in shadows, rewriting all cards that deal with resistance, starting with the dwarven culture.
you can vote for a dwarf, and an elven signet.
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Voted Gimli and Legolas, to maintain the initial idea introduced with Signets. However, I think you could have more than one signet per culture, no problem. And you could divide them per race, so "Hobbit signet" would mean Frodo's, Bilbo's, etc.
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Votded Galadriel and Durin.
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I voted Elrond and Dáin, who I think make the most sense storywise. Not that it matters, but I have Elrond and Thorin signets in my DC sets. :up:
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right now I'm leaning towards elrond and gimli...Gimli since he's the beston I can think of to work with my ideas...but elrond I'm more meh about...I'm not gonna use thorin, as this is not about the hobbit ;)
in the end I am thinking of something like this
[1] Sworn Companion [shire]
Event • Skirmish
Skirmish : Make a Hobbit strength +1 for each companion with the Frodo signet you can spot
"'It's just something Gandalf said..."Don't you lose him Samwise Gamgee"...and I don't mean too."'
how do you do nolinks again? and lastly but not leastly, When I am done, I might try adding some cards and making a set of sorts...where see how it goes.
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Why Elrond? Gamewise, it SHOULD be Legolas.
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I agree with FM, to an extent. If you're going to do Gimli, you should probably do Legolas as well. But I personally feel that more leader-like characters should get the signets, which is why I voted Elrond (respected among all Elves) and Dáin (leader of most of the Dwarves left during the War of the Ring). Current signets all fit this mold, I think. Aragorn is the rightful leader of Gondor and eventual King of the West. Theoden is the king of Rohan. Frodo is a hero among all in Middle-earth, but especially in the Shire after he leads the scouring of it. And Gandalf is a leader of Men, Elves, Dwarves, Hobbits, and others wherever he goes. Legolas and Gimli? Respected, yes, but not quite on the same level.
I think the fact that most current signets (Aragorn, Frodo, Gandalf) come from members of the Fellowship is confusing things. Again, I think other leaders like Elrond fit into Decipher's thinking a lot more than a Dwarf and Elf that happened to be in the Fellowship as well.
But that's just me. I won't protest either way. In truth, it could just be "the Elven signet" and "the Dwarven signet" and I'd be happy. :P
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Which is why I said to not limit signets to one per race. Not only you get to actually give a signet to those who deserve it: Elrond, Galadriel, Dain, Bilbo, heck, even Saruman (flavorwise, Ents should have either Saruman's signet, or Merry's or Pippin's), etc., you get more design space, by referring to signets by name AND/OR race.
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Dain and other. The 'other' being Treebeard.
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Elrond and Dain, they seem more "leader-like".
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I hear a lot about "leader-like". C'mon, guys... FRODO? Really? Huh. Signets are not about leadership, they're about "important" characters from their cultures in the movie.
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I disagree.
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I don't know, I want to have a elf/dwarf signeted aragorn...
what I might just do starting tomorrow is DC the cards, and just have elven signet or something, and replace it later.
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I disagree.
Based on...?
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I don't think that Legolas and Gimli signets make sense. So far the signets have been Aragorn, Gandalf, Theoden and Frodo. All legendary characters that play a major role in the story. Legolas and Gimli are both awesome and important, but they're more like warriors (maybe the best ones). You can't compare the role of Gandalf or Aragorn to the role of Gimli or Legolas. It's like an Éomer signet... I love him, he's wicked but not worthy of a signet.
I think Galadriel or Elrond signets would be cool, cause they're great characters that change the course of the story. I can't think of any other character worthy of a signet. Someone mentioned Merry and Pippin ](*,) :lol: oh my!
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Voted Gimli and Legolas, to maintain the initial idea introduced with Signets.
Well, you could interpret their intentions in 2 different ways: 1) as all the companions featured in FotR (with a few exceptions) were (unsurprisingly) of the fellowship, they made entirely fellowship signets, 2) but they also chose the most important members and leaders of the fellowship so you could argue that they were looking for leaders. If you were trying to follow on from the former, then Legolas and Gimli make the most sense. If you're going from the latter, Dáin/Glóin and Elrond/Galadriel make more sense.
However, I think you could have more than one signet per culture, no problem. And you could divide them per race, so "Hobbit signet" would mean Frodo's, Bilbo's, etc.
I like this idea, it's fun! SoP: do that! :mrgreen:
Thranduil
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Not actually Fellowship leaders, since we have Theoden's signet as well. ANd when was Theoden's signet created? When the Rohan culture came into being, which also validates my point. It could be argued, however, that there's no Smeagol signet, but that is also explainable, since even though the culture branches out into FP as well, it's STILL the Gollum culture.
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waiiiittt so your saying have a culture signet? you know what?
screw this. I'll have a gimli signet, a dain signet, an elrond signet and a legolas signet, unless anyone can dissuade me. I might as well go whole hog add a eomer, denethor, and bilbo signet while a I'm at it ;)
unless anyone can dissuade me.
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I was actually encouraging you to do it. ¬¬
I'd pack a Galadriel signet as well, and perhaps a Treebeard/Saruman/Gwaihir one (or all). A Smeagol signet could be fun, too.
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Yes! Why have a limit to the number of signets?
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Well, mainly because if you get crazy and give every single character their own signet, then design gets sloppy and you end up losing signet identity. Which is why I'd advocate for having 2 signets per culture, tops, so that you could either focus on a signet, or on a signet's culture, to build around them. With that in mind, I'd advocate for following the game's first idea (having a signet for each major character in the culture from the movie), and the players view on signets (which I think is actually the more correct one), which is having a signet for "leaders" within the ranks of that culture. So, you'd get either a Denethor/Faramir signet (you could trat Aragorn's either way, depending on the one you might want to have), Éomer/Éowyn signet (probably Éomer), Treebeard signet, Legolas and Elrond/Galadriel signet, Gimli and Gloin/Dain signet, Bilbo signet. I'd have a Sméagol signet, but that'd be it for his culture.
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I was actually encouraging you to do it. ¬¬
I'd pack a Galadriel signet as well, and perhaps a Treebeard/Saruman/Gwaihir one (or all). A Smeagol signet could be fun, too.
well than...you convicned me ;)
yes I want to limit it to two per culture. I'm gonna wai ton the shire one, as I'm not sure exactly who should get it.
I will definitly have a treebeard signet.
I don't think smeagol really needs a signet...most of the time he can have a frodo signet, or none at all.
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Smeagol signet would be awesome.