The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Bag End => Topic started by: menace64 on November 23, 2008, 09:36:59 PM
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So the entire point of the Fellowship was to take The One Ring back to Mount Doom, the only place where it could be destroyed.
My question is this: Why couldn't Sauron just, you know, sit around inside Mount Doom? Why park yourself in a tower 100 miles away? If he'd waited around at the entrance to Mount Doom there'd have been no way for anybody to ever destroy it.
Thus, Lord of the Rings has been ruined!
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Ofcourse not...Mordor was not to be invaded, he didn't expect it and he was looking into overwhelming the whole of Middle Earth....
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Gil-Estel is right...
Sauron did not expect anyone to bring the ring back to mordor. Either to ship the ring into the west (Galdor) or to use it against him (Denethor)
Just a foul could hope
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So the entire point of the Fellowship was to take The One Ring back to Mount Doom, the only place where it could be destroyed.
My question is this: Why couldn't Sauron just, you know, sit around inside Mount Doom? Why park yourself in a tower 100 miles away? If he'd waited around at the entrance to Mount Doom there'd have been no way for anybody to ever destroy it.
Thus, Lord of the Rings has been ruined!
Heck, if he did Gandalf and Frodo would just hire two over-sized eagles and drop the freaking ring in Mt. Doom. :uh-huh:
Or they could have tricked an eagle into a kamakaze mission...
*The oversized eagle plummets toward Mount Doom with the One Ring tied to its back. A flimsy fishing pole is perched above it with a dead hobbit (or some other convenient steak) hanging down. The eagle keeps reaching for the meat but as it does it descends into the fiery abyss... sizzle, snap, crackle, pop!!!!*
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*echoes GE's comments*
My question is this: Why couldn't Sauron just, you know, sit around inside Mount Doom? Why park yourself in a tower 100 miles away? If he'd waited around at the entrance to Mount Doom there'd have been no way for anybody to ever destroy it.
Plus, he wasn't in a physical form and "sitting" in Mount Doom wouldn't do much good.
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So the entire point of the Fellowship was to take The One Ring back to Mount Doom, the only place where it could be destroyed.
My question is this: Why couldn't Sauron just, you know, sit around inside Mount Doom? Why park yourself in a tower 100 miles away? If he'd waited around at the entrance to Mount Doom there'd have been no way for anybody to ever destroy it.
Thus, Lord of the Rings has been ruined!
Heck, if he did Gandalf and Frodo would just hire two over-sized eagles and drop the freaking ring in Mt. Doom. :uh-huh:
Or they could have tricked an eagle into a kamakaze mission...
*The oversized eagle plummets toward Mount Doom with the One Ring tied to its back. A flimsy fishing pole is perched above it with a dead hobbit (or some other convenient steak) hanging down. The eagle keeps reaching for the meat but as it does it descends into the fiery abyss... sizzle, snap, crackle, pop!!!!*
...or just fed-ex it :S.....
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So the entire point of the Fellowship was to take The One Ring back to Mount Doom, the only place where it could be destroyed.
My question is this: Why couldn't Sauron just, you know, sit around inside Mount Doom? Why park yourself in a tower 100 miles away? If he'd waited around at the entrance to Mount Doom there'd have been no way for anybody to ever destroy it.
Thus, Lord of the Rings has been ruined!
Heck, if he did Gandalf and Frodo would just hire two over-sized eagles and drop the freaking ring in Mt. Doom. :uh-huh:
Or they could have tricked an eagle into a kamakaze mission...
*The oversized eagle plummets toward Mount Doom with the One Ring tied to its back. A flimsy fishing pole is perched above it with a dead hobbit (or some other convenient steak) hanging down. The eagle keeps reaching for the meat but as it does it descends into the fiery abyss... sizzle, snap, crackle, pop!!!!*
...or just fed-ex it :S.....
I have a feeling the Mount Doom postal service might confiscate it, unless it was priority mail. :D
*Quick Gandalf! we need four more quarters to send it Priority Mail! Otherwise the Ring is going to go snail mail with Frodo and the company!* :lol:
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Plus, he wasn't in a physical form and "sitting" in Mount Doom wouldn't do much good.
Eh... I think the incorporeal-eye visualization was made up by Jackson to literally represent "The Eye" of Sauron. Tolkien never mentioned Sauron as disembodied. Sauron was physically present at Barad-dur (minus a finger of course) but severely 'weakened' since his Ring was not with him.
At least, that's what I think. It's up to conjecture.
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"The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made...."
"Looked across the plain" implies that the Eye is located at Barad-dûr.
And then from FotR: "It was Gil-galad, Elven-king and Elendil of Westernesse who overthrew Sauron, though they themselves perished in the deed; and Isildur Elendil's son cut the Ring from Sauron's hand and took it for his own. Then Sauron was vanquished and his spirit fled...."
He never took on a physical form after Isildur took the Ring from him IMO.
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If you watch the extras in The Return of the King Extended Edition, Peter Jackson was going to have Sauron come to the Black Gate when the Host of Westernesse appears (replacing the Troll that almost kills Aragorn).
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yeah, jord is right about that. weird stuff if you ask me, aragorn fighting the dark lord himself...
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That would have completely killed the trilogy for me. As it is I can barely watch when the King of the Dead and his fellow ghosts rip through Minas Tirith. If Sauron had come out to fight.... there are no words to express my disgust at the thought. Now in a friendly game of lotr tcg he can come out and play all he wants! :)
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And there is some form of balance...It takes a lot to make him come, and if he does, well least to say there are some fellowships that have to put some serious thinking into it....
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Congrats m64 for ruining lotr. Mailing the ring to mount doom is a great idea. No x-rays to find out what was in the package! Much less official post-office regulations cracking down weed-possessors.
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Did Sauron realise that the ring could be destroyed?
Btw the only ruining of LOTR was creating Erkenbrands HORN (LOL)
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Did Sauron realise that the ring could be destroyed?
Btw the only ruining of LOTR was creating Erkenbrands HORN (LOL)
Too true. :lol:
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Did Sauron realise that the ring could be destroyed?
A good question. One would certainly think so, but I can't think of where (if anywhere) Tolkien provides a clear answer.
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Sitting/Floating inside Mount Doom would have caused logistical problems no end for Sauron.
It was better to have a grand army that would increase the chances of finding the ring swiftly than anything else.
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simple. someone answered this question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU
i think it would have been much simpler this way.
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There are so many problems with that way, it would have never worked.
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like winged nazgual? and the fact that the eagles wouldn't have cooperated... read the council of elrond again. And lets not forget, the eagles can't fly very far bearing someone, let alone four people (read the part where gandalf escapes from isengaurd)
Besides that, hilarious video :)
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The proper way to do it is StarCraft style--kill every single enemy unit on the map, and then send in
the lone drone carrying the crystal Frodo. 8-)
Personally I figure the eagles would refuse to aid the quest directly because [insert reason here]; otherwise, they're just too convenient not to even consider using at some point. This page (http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/eagles.html) sums up one method.
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His argument involving the flying nazgul is very weak.
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"As I mention elsewhere on this page, Tolkien doesn't tell us exactly how long it takes for Gwaihir and the other eagles to fly from the Black Gate to Mt. Doom to rescue Frodo and Sam, but I would guess that it could not be more than an hour or so. The Ring becomes stronger as it nears Mt. Doom, but could even this strengthened Ring wholly take over the will of an eagle in as little as an hour? Tolkien doesn't give us the information to answer this question one way or the other (thus, cannot say that he has ruled out the "eagles" plan on these grounds).
However, I would be very surprised if this were so. There is no instance in the text where the Ring takes control of anyone's will this quickly (even taking into consideration that the Ring was not as strong earlier in the story). Powerful individuals such as Gandalf and Aragorn travel with the Ringbearer over a period of months without being corrupted by it. "
What about Gollum?