The Last Homely House
General => Council of Cobra => Topic started by: SomeRandomDude on December 04, 2008, 09:37:03 PM
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dementedmadscientist.blogspot .com
madsciencemusic.blogspot.com
The first is my general purpose blog.
The second is me and music.
Enjoy!
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Do I need to?
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I probably won't read often...especially when said author is under influence of caffeine.
*ahem* why did I say that? NB always appears to be inebriated on caffeine anyways. Maybe I'll read it after all.
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Well....
I decided to scrap the goofy thing and go more for a philosophical style blog.
So...I relocated to Vita Paradoxum
vitaparadoxum.blogspot.com
You will disagree with my quite a bit.
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Very interesting although I do disagree with you on one point. In one of the entries you state that the human soul is inherently evil. However the human soul was created by God and so cannot be inherently evil as alll things created by God are inherently good. The human soul has been corrupted by satan but will always have a basically good nature.
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Very interesting although I do disagree with you on one point. In one of the entries you state that the human soul is inherently evil. However the human soul was created by God and so cannot be inherently evil as alll things created by God are inherently good. The human soul has been corrupted by satan but will always have a basically good nature.
i see your point, but i think you misunderstand how the phrase "inherently evil" is being used.
you are correct the god created the soul as a good thing.
you are correct the the human soul is currently a good thing.
i think the misunderstanding comes in that NB is saying, (and the bible does) that since the fall of mankind, When Adam disobeyed God, Sin entered the world. through adam and his sin, the souls of men are corrupted from what they ought to be. and in the fallen state, the are evil, and run away from God.
i hope that clears up the confusion...
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Yeah I think it was a misunderstanding about the use of the inherently.
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I disagree. Sin nature became a part of mankind when sin entered the world, and thus, the human soul IS inherently evil and depraved. This occurred when Adam and Eve at of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
So...man IS inherently evil.
But that is still somewhat irrelevant from the point I was trying to make....
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I disagree. Sin nature became a part of mankind when sin entered the world, and thus, the human soul IS inherently evil and depraved. This occurred when Adam and Eve at of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
So...man IS inherently evil.
But that is still somewhat irrelevant from the point I was trying to make....
that's what i said. when adam sinned, the souls of men were corrupted. i think we agree...
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John Calvin's doctrine believes that the "unsaved" human is totally evil, through and through.
I sort of disagree with him because our once perfectness and completeness is deeper to our nature than our evil inheritance from Adam, but still in no way means that I can save myself without God.
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Jeremiah 17:9.
I'd say that Calvin is actually right, for a change....:P But that's not really the point of my blog?
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Well...I decided to try a subject you guys might be into.
2008 Year In Review (Alternative/Indie) (http://madsciencemusic.blogspot.com/2008/12/2008-year-in-review-alternativeindie.html)
Yup. That's right. My top 3 alt/indie picks of 2008, including Anberlin, Run Kid Run and Nevertheless. Featuring and embedded music video. That's right. :mrgreen:
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And update with a blog post on Anberlin's new album New Surrender.
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John Calvin's doctrine believes that the "unsaved" human is totally evil, through and through.
I sort of disagree with him because our once perfectness and completeness is deeper to our nature than our evil inheritance from Adam, but still in no way means that I can save myself without God.
I must beg to differ on that particular point when Adam sinned our good nature was completely perverted leaving us with nothing but our sin. However the argument is in fact pointless since we are saying basically the same thing.
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I'd like you religious people to solve a doubt I have regarding this particular issue (and I don't mean this in an offensive way, lately I HAVE actually been trying to understand the different religions as much as possible). If God is, well, God, creating us after his own image, loving us above anything else, etc, etc, isn't it a bit, I don't know, "overreacting" to simply condemn all of mankind as sinners due to Adam's actions? I mean, shouldn't He have forgiven us by now, given His nature? One would think we would've been purged after all this time. Not that this means automatic salvation, of course not, but at least "not being inherently evil", perhaps. Please enlighten me on the subject? Thanks in advance!
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He has forgiven us. Its our choice as to whether we accept his forgiveness. I mean, if you're sitting in a burning house and a firefighter comes to save you, and you say, "no thanks, I think I'm happy here," don't blame the firefighter when you die.
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Yes, but he also makes us want to become saved by opening our hearts. Think of it this way: Everyone who the fireman reaches really wants to get out the fire once he sees the fireman. ;)
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I was beginning to understand, I thought, but GT totally lost me. :D If he forgave us, then why are our souls still considered inherently evil?
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There's a transformation at the point we accept his forgiveness.
Like, someone can forgive you for doing something stupid, but you can choose to ignore it.
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So, basically, it's not that our soul is inherently evil, but our sinful heritage is so strong (for that was "The One Sin to rule them all") makes us "ignore" His call, until we decide to listen, which explains why He doesn't judge: as long as you embrace Him, truly embrace Him, you're saved no matter what. I guess it makes a bit more sense, if put this way. Am I still way off?
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If our souls are inherently evil, then why do some of us try to be turn away from evil?
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Therein lies considerable debate. I would look up irresistible grace under 5 point Calvinism. That provides, IMO, the most logical explanation. I don't agree completely with Calvinism, but I think there's some truth behind the theory of irresistible grace.
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I am no theologian so Lurtzy has a point I know that there is an answer I just don't know it.