The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Bag End => Topic started by: Smeagollum on January 09, 2009, 01:33:25 AM
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I open a new tread, because I don't have any overview anymore on the other treads.
In this topic you'll find all information about the tournament and de defenite format which is going to be used.
The tournament will be hold the 7th of februari at de 2 klaveren in Amsterdam. If you come by car see following link for details:
http://maps.google.nl/maps?hl=nl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=de+2+klaveren+amsterdam&fb=1&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=1&ct=image
If you come by train from Central station take tramnr 13, From Amstelstation take tramnr 12 and from Sloterdijk tramnr 14. Get out at stop "elizabeth wolfstraat" and walk towards the bridge. Adress: De Clercqstraat 136, 1052 NP Amsterdam? - 020 6189125?
The tournament starts at 12.00 CET. Would be 11.00 in UK-time. Please note that you should be there a half hour before!
Tournamentformat:
Round 1 & 2: set 1 - 10 (without set 9, 14, 16 & 19 ): Only ROTK-sites to be used! Ringbearer-skirmishes may be cancelled.
Rounds 3 & 4: Austrian format: New sites (post 10) to be used! Ringbearer-skirmishes may not be cancelled.
Round 5: You may choose between your deck from round 1 & 2 with sitesor from 3 & 4 with sites: As an experiment. All sites to be used (which only can be rotk and standard as you have to use decks from round 1 & 2 or 3 & 4)), except the old sites which have a newer version (Like Bridge and ettenmoors For the old sites we use the following rules regarding twillight:
Shadowcost site - cost original region = x (Can't be below 0). X + cost region payed=Y (amount twillight which is generated)
Important note by using sites round 5: You can use sites from one block only, so you can't combine rotk with standard or with tt or with fotr-sites
Ringbearer-skirmishes may not be cancelled.
For the top 8:
Round 6: Standard: Only standard sites to be used. Ringbearer-skirmishes may not be cancelled.
Other Details!
1. There will be an admit one fee of 5 euro. This is because we will play in a commercial cafe and last time we organized a tournament over there everybody brought his own drinks and food and the owner of the cafe was not happy about that. For this admittance-fee you will get 2 cosumptions.
2. Prizesupport: Everybody will get a rare card. 1, 2 and last position will win a Meat miniature (unpainted) from Lotr! And maybe I arrange something for the person with the most creative deck :) We (actually Legosmurf did) ordered a boostercase from Bloodlines as extra prizesupport.
3. How many people so far . Well a lot of people are not very clear. I asked to pm me so that I can make a list. so far 2 people responded on that. A few people said on the other tread that they would come and I know of hw many people from our group (amsterdam) will play.
4. In the movieblock rb canceling is allowed. For other rules about x-ed cards see current ruling about blockdecks! Bill Ferny may be played as does Lady Galadriel; Keep in mind that some cards do have an errata like Ranger's versatility, Thror's map, Galadriel's mirror, etc. Ulaire Nertea from the first and Aragorn from set the third set were x-ed during filmblock and stay x-ed as do all cards which were x-ed during filmblock. So, you still can play Legolas DH, Shire countryside, cruel Caladhras, as they were limited after filmblock.
Here you can find the official LotR TCG rules in PDF format.
- Starter Rulebook from The Hunters (http://lotrtcgdb.com/rules/starter.pdf). Use this rulebook to learn how to play if you are new to the game. After you get the hang of LotR TCG, you can move on to reading through the Comprehensive Rules.
- Comprehensive Rules 4.0 (http://lotrtcgdb.com/rules/comprehensive.pdf). Useful as a reference guide, this rulebook goes into fine detail about each phase, contains a glossary and includes errata for cards through King Block. Check here first to settle a rules question or dispute.
- Current Rulings Document (08/13/07 (http://lotrtcgdb.com/rules/crd.pdf)). This is a supplement to the Comprehensive Rules and includes errata from Shadows on as well as formats information. Be familiar with the T&D fixes! :mrgreen:
- Official Tournament Guidelines (http://lotrtcgdb.com/rules/tournament.pdf). Though slightly outdated, this contains the official documentation for the mulligan rule, as well as... wait for it... tournament guidelines.
5. There's one errata concerning sites: All site 8 from rotk gains the text: Once per game!
4. Please note it's a fairplay tournament. If people forget something we don't put a knife on the fellow's throat. If it's not to far in the game and it happens not to often then please let the person take a step back. The tournament should only have a very high degreement of fun to play with eachother... And yes it's still a tournament!
AUSTRIA FORMAT
Each player may choose for his deck to play one of the following:
FPP 1-10, Shadow 1-10
FPP 1-10, Shadow 7-18
FPP 7-18, Shadow 1-10
FPP 7-18, Shadow 7-18
Editions 9,14,16 and 19 are allway's allowed.
All versions of "the one ring are allowed".
All alternative Ringbearer played as Ringbearer are allowed
(concerning Gandalf, Sam and Faramir)
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Example for OP combos (if sites get mixed):
Hobbit Farmer gets the game text of your site one. Imagine you play old forrest road. So you may heal two elves at the start of every of your turns.... Yes this would be allowed and will make you people more creative. Im not afraid of missusing Golden Hall with Hobbit farmer or the elf-ally, because they require site 1 , 3 or 6. Golden hall still have the tt-sign. So it will not work.
Amsterdam party:
Henk Maul,
Martijn Goedhart,
Andre (don't know his last name)
Menno Kronenberg
Erwin
Myself
responded by pm:
Mctonno
responded on thread:
Bas Melis (with 2 friends)
Jeroen Kassenberg
Marcel Mathijssen
Gil Estel
Mad Goblin
Elrohir (with 2 friends?)
Daniro
Disco Stu
Responded by phone:
Patrick
Eric (no not Minkes, but another Eric)
Possible:
Chris Goedhart
Peter Jackson
Andy Serkis
well maybe not the last 2... but people are allowed to dream don't they
Judge:
Marc Hameleers, Well at least one real Dwarf... hahahaha :lol:
So round about 20. If people are not on the list please MAIL me!!!
FYI... I've invited some more old friends via the old Dutch Forum: http://www.armbell.com/theprancingpony/privmsg.php?folder=inbox&mforum=theprancingpony
I've also contacted Tania from Belgium. I hope Belgium will reply to that!
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If this is the will of the council, Mc Tondor will see it done.
:gp: for the sitepath calculation. I will try to make a deck that abuses this format like crazy...
Ps. you mention Gil Estels with F(r)iends: the ones that are coming are Mad Goblin and I.
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He does not have more friends? :lol:
there is one other friend lotrplayer (Anarion) who prefers the headclass soccer he plays on Saturdays (Berkum)
Especially more girlfriends are more then welcome :roll:
I`ll ask his wife :o
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than you shouldn't say girlfriends dear Smeagollum, but please, try to keep this topic clean of spam, that way you keep it clean and you can keep your overview.
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Woohoo, my possey of friends is growing.....
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Hey, I'll be coming too. I'll be a part of Gil-Estel and 'friends'. :P
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Sorry, but I am still confused...
How do we play the sites? May we mix TT with FotR sites? May Silinde skirmish at Golden Hall? Can someone explain the following:
As an experiment. All sites to be used, except the old sites which have a newer version (Like Bridge and ettenmoors). For the old sites we use the following rules regarding twillight:
Shadowcost site - cost original region = x (Can't be below 0). X + cost region payed=Y (amount twillight which is generated)
Is this sitepath meant to be played in round 5? I am really against this!!!! There will be broken combos, you will see it, if you do not trust my words. Its is better to say play either new sites or rotk sites in round 5, but do not mix them together! That can not work well!
I think it is better to play standard in round 5....I know, it is late, but I am not happy with round 5 [-X
What are you opinions?
Round 1&2: Movieblock
Round 3&4: Austria-Format
Round 5&6: Standard [-o< (I think we need 6 rounds, otherwise there will be to many players with equal points)
Advantage: it is less confusing, it is simple there are just 2-3 Decks, we do not need to try the new site-system. :uh-huh:
it is one round more
There is not a lot of prizesupport! I think it would be better to order Hunter, Treachery&Deceit and a Rise of Saruman Display as prizesupport, so every gets some booster, payed by the fee.
Elrohir
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Well it would add to the creativity....:)
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Dear Elrohir,
At last somebody who thinks with me ;)
Well about 6 rounds... I would like to....
But I don't know if other people will be up to that. I discussed this allready in Amsterdam and there the opinion was that the tournament would take to long (break included we came to about 7 hours). What we can do is do a final round (round 6) for top 8?
hmmm, about the sites.... Well I like to experiment. But limit the experiment to rotk-sites to be allowed as well as the new sites, might be a good thing. I hadn't thoght about silinde. On the other hand people can play a site which would discard Silinde. It would add to the creativity as Gil allready mentioned.
And about your request for standard.. I'll add a third option to the last round(s)..
things should now be updated
Elrohir, How do you think about that? Can you send me the rulings for Austrian format?
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Round 5: You may choose between your deck from round 1 & 2 or from 3 & 4 or a standard deck:
I assume you mean "deck type" not "deck"
because if you do, round 5-players who want to play a standard deck can come up with a brand new deck and players who choose the round 1&2 or 3&4 option are limited to the exact deck they were playing in that particular round.
Which leads to another question: I can bring 5 different decks and play them all, am I correct?
must say I`m very very exited and looking forward to playing against new players....
:up: ;D
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another question: in the 5th round how will Morgai work for example? What if I play a king site 5 at site 4, will I still have initiative?
And Haradwaith for that matter?
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Maccie,
Nope it won't work, You will still need it to be on site 5 for Morgai. And for the other one on site 4.
By the way Elrohir is a good negotiator. So I will change one last time.
I changed round 5 back in the way it was, so all sites can be used. Hobbit farmer and the elven allies don't work with tt- and rotk-sites as they require the tt- and the rotksymbol. Hobbitfarmer can missuse standardsites. But think again, there are shadowcards which can switch sites.
There will be a standardround for top 8! If I'm in top 8 and Elrohir is not he will be allowed to take my place! More then this I can't do, because there are allready 6 people who don't have enough cards for a standard deck and I'm allready building their decks!!! I don't have enough cards to make more decks then for 6 people!
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Smeagollum, first off all, thanks for everything you've done so far, it has been impressive and I know that there is nothing more easy than just to say what's wrong. But...there's a but.
If older sites are being used, there is this possibility of broken decks beyond imagination. I have Nelya, TotNR and a Gollum in my hand. The opponent walks ahead an walks in to my Dagorlad, which will add 3 threats. I play Nelya, switch the site to Northern Ithilien. Then I play Gollum, converting 2 threats in 2 burdens. I exert Nelya a last time in to another site, for example Pelennor Flat, so they have no cards or 4 burdens added at 1 site. Plus, I have both terrorsites back in hand......I really don't think this is a good idea.....
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Gil,
We can allways try it out. If it doesn't work, then we know it doesn't work. And I made a little fix there as well. You can only use sites from one block. So you can use either sites from:
Fotr
tt
rotk
Standard
But you are not allowed to combine sites from 2 different blocks.
Also I made a fix about using a site 8 from rotk.
We also thought first of the following rule: That you can only play 1 site a game, so that you can make sitecyclingloops. But that would make the game less fun. Another option instead of using old sites is neglecting sitesymbols on events, conditions, possesions, companions, minions and allies. You may choose between the sites and neglecting symbols. But bare in mind that some people (like Chris and ringbearer) don't have new sites!!!
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WEll, considering how the tounrey is developing, I will withdraw... I signed up first since its old set, and it gets more and more towards new stuff which I like a lot less. So I wont join.
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:o I, for example, have just a couple of old cards, so I thinks the tournament is better like it is now. So all people can play. This was one of the resons why we have changed. People, who have more newer cards, and people, who have more older cards. I think it is balanced now.
Actually, we have all rounds playable with old cards!!
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I defintely liked more the good ole days of fellowship, just to play it again. I dont care much for new cards, since they powered up way too much.
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I really understand you, I like old cards much more too than the newer ones.
But look, you play: Round1&2 Movieblock (old cards)
Round 3&4 Austria Format (old cards, if you want it) - IMPORTANT: NEW SITES
Round 5 (same as Round 1&2 or 3&4)
So you can play the whole tournament with 1 old-card deck. Only thing to change are the sites in Round 3&4.
(Exception: Standard in round 6...)
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Hello!
Smeagollum:
Do we need Booster of Rise of Saruman and Treachery & Deceit as prizesupport?
If so, I pm you a notice how to get RoS Booster (which is hard to get one!).
I think, one rare card is a very, very little prizesupport.
But that is just my opinion.
Well, hope all are satisfied,
with kind regards,
Elrohir
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Hello!
Smeagollum:
Do we need Booster of Rise of Saruman and Treachery & Deceit as prizesupport?
If so, I pm you a notice how to get RoS Booster (which is hard to get one!).
I think, one rare card is a very, very little prizesupport.
But that is just my opinion.
Well, hope all are satisfied,
with kind regards,
Elrohir
Would like to, but I finance the tournament prizesupport myself. And what I bought (Miniatures) is allready over 30 euro. How much will the ros-box cost?
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Sorry, but I maade up my mind, I aint coming. I understand people want to play new as well, but I aint that much interetsed to face follow horn... Nope, I wont join. Sorry.
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Haha how many people do you think have an actual Horn deck!?
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I defintely liked more the good ole days of fellowship, just to play it again. I dont care much for new cards, since they powered up way too much.
Hi Bert,
I also like the old cards more then the new. But thing is I really need to mix things to keep everybody happy. For example Elrohir like to play the new stuff. The Austrian format give the option to play with old cards. And if you look closely to the tournament you're able to play all rounds with only cards from the filmblock. Even round 6 (I must admit that it would be only from the rotkblock, but even then you can build a deck witch can matchup the new cards).
People who play with new cards however do need the new sitesystem (with new sites).
To keep everybody a bit happy I made it possible to use old sites is round 5. There's even one very broken combo possible, which I hope to have fixed with the errata as mentioned in the first post of this topic.
I really think you can have a lot of fun with this tournament. And I realy like to ask you to reconcider it, because I would like you to be there and have fun as well. And I think all people who will come with me!
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Haha how many people do you think have an actual Horn deck!?
Well... I have 2... but will not play them. I'll only play with the old cards.
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Nope, my decision stands. I joined for the good ole days of fellowship block, some TTT. I cared less for the sets 11-19. Austrian format still allows standard dekcs, which are too strong imho for the old decks. I aint saying people should change format cause majority counts, but I aint playing.
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I totally disagree with you. Actually in Amsterdam we play only a little different then Austrian. We use also old sites and sometimes we use sites at random. We really have a lot of fun and often enough the good old decks win...
And during the tournament we can pair you with somebody who's also playing an old deck. I am sure that there are more then a few people who will play old decks!
Guy's help me to convince Bert!
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Why is everyone so afraid of Horn decks? or Trollswarm decks? I faced such decks often... even at the european championship... and yeah, a potential horn deck may be strong... but I destroyed those decks as well with my fellow... just a powerful guide, treebeard, grimbeorn with axe and some stern words... and you are safe - kill all the trolls - discard their conditions (goblin hordes and forced march... and that's it...)
...and I don't understand your problem: old decks may also smash up newer ones... especially old shadows can kill newer fellows...
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Why is everyone so afraid of Horn decks? or Trollswarm decks? I faced such decks often... even at the european championship... and yeah, a potential horn deck may be strong... but I destroyed those decks as well with my fellow... just a powerful guide, treebeard, grimbeorn with axe and some stern words... and you are safe - kill all the trolls - discard their conditions (goblin hordes and forced march... and that's it...)
...and I don't understand your problem: old decks may also smash up newer ones... especially old shadows can kill newer fellows...
powerful guide: new card, so are grim and axe, and stern words....
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Shadowplay, for example for Trolls keyward.
The horny fellowship dies with blade tip and black breath...
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Don't talk about black breath and blade tip...bwah :-X If they play it with morgul blade it get real sick....
Or Dauntless hunter with beasterlings ;D
Old cards are still fun and a lot of new carddecks can't keep up to it!
Common, Bert
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Do people have a problem if I raise the fee with 2 euro, so that I can arrange extra prizesupport?
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Nope, aint coming anymore. Decision stands. Reasons given. Too many broken overpowered crap in standard even after errata.
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I started when shadows was released so I got stuck between the new and the old series. If all the rounds were in old formats it would be very difficult for people like me to even enter the tournament. Because I simply do not have the cards. So I think this Austrian system is a great idea.
To me it's more about playing the game than winning the tournament. Otherwise I wouldn't enter at all, because I know there are more experienced players with better decks.
Then again, I understand that playing against a broken combo is not much fun. But I'll just risk it.
Btw, I don't have a problem with 2 euro more for extra prizesupport.
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I started when shadows was released so I got stuck between the new and the old series. If all the rounds were in old formats it would be very difficult for people like me to even enter the tournament. Because I simply do not have the cards. So I think this Austrian system is a great idea.
To me it's more about playing the game than winning the tournament. Otherwise I wouldn't enter at all, because I know there are more experienced players with better decks.
Then again, I understand that playing against a broken combo is not much fun. But I'll just risk it.
Btw, I don't have a problem with 2 euro more for extra prizesupport.
You got it! I absolutely share your opinion!
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2 euro`s so sweat.
I must say I don't `t think I`ll be able to win in the Austrian thingy and therefore (part of ) the box. I have 1 series 19 rare and 2 series 15. that`s it. I share ringbearers opinion about highseries cards. take gilgalad for example. Difficult to win against a namariehunters deck with gil. but hey.....since my Isildur /gandalf pipeweed deck won my first tournament against Gil Estel, MAdgoblin, and others ....everything is possible.....
as for the formats. No changes anymore? I`d really really like to start building!
BTW if anyone misses a few low series commons (or uncs), PM me, because I have a few 1000 extra commons (and uncs) from 1-10 Mostly 1-6. I could bring them for you if you`d like....
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@Ringbearer: You are going to make my brain fuzzy!
Namarie + Gilgalad discards conditions...well Hobbits remove burdens, Gondor discards possessions etc...
Who cares?
Secret Sentinels discards also shadow conditions, and thats is an old card. So, what is the matter?
We play old cards, old cards are even stronger (sometimes...) as the new ones, and all people can participate in this tournament.
So, my suggestion is:
We can play a fellowship draft, after our "main" Tournament. Only cards from fellowship of the ring, no problems with sites or allies, no problems with cards (because we get them),
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I can state my reasons again, but I wont. Know though these are my opinions and I keep to them. I have seen enough play online to notice the power curve in cards. I serious believe any old deck doesnt stand a chance... Imagine whsipers in the dark x4 on saruman, due to mouth... thats fun :( NOT.
No, I aint coming, and thats it.
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That does not count [-X you have still Sleep Caradhras
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Namarie + Gilgalad discards conditions..
Who cares?
Secret Sentinels discards also shadow conditions, and that's is an old card. So, what is the matter?
the matter? secret sentinels discards 1 maybe 2 conditions by an exertion AND an ally. not nearly as gruesome as namarie spotting 3 or more hunters! as a condition also replayable with Gil Galad....
sleeping carhadras however........
but still: pulling a ranger(aragorn) like thorongil or a lower series one.....that's a base strength 10 not 8 ..
we`ll see... My prediction is that round 2 will be won by a high series (combination)deck.
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I really think that cards have become stronger over time. But I don't think it should matter. Here are my reasons, though I respect yours Ringbearer:
-Back in the old days all your tournement decks had to be prepared for the worse. You needed conditiondiscard, and couldn't risk to bring a fun deck -at least, if you wanted to win
-Some hardcore shadows that are really evil, can be countered, but hey, if someone wants to play ugly decks, well let them. I know that there are possiblities to do so, but I don't think that people, at least very little people, will bring such an evil deck.
-Namarie is nasty, but there are worse cards and not too difficult ways to counter it. You expect it? Take your precousions
-Saruman's Power, Sleep Caradhras, rest my case....
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Besides that all what's mentioned above... I even give you the option that you will only play against a deck with only old cards. We can arrange a paring that you only will play old decks. I can't go further then this. It's to have fun, nothing else. But hey it's now up to you. I will make no more changes to the tournamentformat. I allready begged you to come, but I won't go on my knees. Everybody is giving you good reasons just to come and play and have fun; To meet other players again. This is stuborness.
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Yeah, please come....
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Aint coming. Sorry but decision already made. I understand the majority vote counts, but Ihave my rights not to come as well. No need to go on your knees, JW, you're a great guy organising this and I hope you all have fun, but I aint coming.
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Hey people, as you may guess i will not be present at this tourney (don´t feel like traveling +10.000Km overseas to join ;)) but if you let me i would like to make some comments as i movie block player i´m (well if you don´t let me i think it will be already done).
First of all, there is no doubt that the cards became increasingly powerfull within the release of the newer sets, you just have to compare the new versions of some cards with the old ones, i will not even mention examples cause i think we all know them. Some Hunters and TD cards are nearly as absurd as Lady Reedemed (ok...not THAT much, but very close) so in standard we have a lot more of "almost broken" combinations than we seem to have at movie block.
Of course we have very nice filmblock cards like the mentioned Sleep Caradhras and etc. and the old decks may still be competitive. As stated before this tournament should be all about fun (my favorite kind of tournament) but of course people would bring their best cause they still wanna win it. I think that Ringbearer is worried not with the possibility of don´t win, but with the fact that can be no fun if you bring your dear-loved elves/dunland deck just to be slaughtered by the new Gil-Galad bringing a ton of arrows every turn or to see the new Ugluk chop down your non-hunter elves one by one... The funniest game is a close game, even when you lose it. I prefer it by far than an easy win.
Even with all that said, i would still go with Daniro´s option: i would still join just for the chalenge of face great players! I guess my Dunland, Southrons or Sauron would die horrible most of the times but i would still wanna try! Even without any follower, with all companions with resistance 6 (have an Aragorn with resistence 6 when the new OP versions have 8 just sucks, but what can we do?) and with no hunter, no toil, no muster and no lurker... but what the heck, my [Dunland] guys never had enduring, ambush and whatever and were able to win a lot of games just with the old fierce (ok, Prized Lagan sucks :-X) and damage +X!!! So why don´t give them a shot? I would be very proud of a movie block deck that could stand a threat for the newer ones. Besides deckbuild is just one third of the thing: we still have the playing skill and the luck factors...
Well, i hope that everything goes right for you european people and you have a great tournament (i would like to see the play-by-play posting of the most exciting games :up:).
Good luck to all!!!
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Pepin, well spoken!! You should be renamed into: Pepin, Well-spoken Gentlehobbit...I will try to give you as much feedback as possible!!
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The took of Tooks! Welspoken indeed!
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Pepin, well spoken!! You should be renamed into: Pepin, Well-spoken Gentlehobbit...I will try to give you as much feedback as possible!!
For a day or two, at least, that's what he shall be. Hey, the people love you, Pepin. Enjoy your (likely temporary) title. ;)
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Haha how many people do you think have an actual Horn deck!?
Does the Jord come to the City of (red) lights... (there is only one real city of light and that's Paris, but we still have the red lights, not that I'm proud of that....)?
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Pepin, well spoken!! You should be renamed into: Pepin, Well-spoken Gentlehobbit...I will try to give you as much feedback as possible!!
For a day or two, at least, that's what he shall be. Hey, the people love you, Pepin. Enjoy your (likely temporary) title. ;)
Thanks folks!
More than titles what i really apreciate is the respect that most people here in TLHH show for the members (and the sense of humor of course). So if i´m any kind of gentle-hobbit much of that is because of the way people here treat each other. I´m quit sure that many other people would deserve to be mentioned by a variety of qualities :up:
But i guess this title stuff is a nice way of showing peoples peculiarities...maybe "Fool of a Took" fit´s me well too...hehehe
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More than titles what i really apreciate is the respect that most people here in TLHH show for the members (and the sense of humor of course). So if i´m any kind of gentle-hobbit much of that is because of the way people here treat each other. I´m quit sure that many other people would deserve to be mentioned by a variety of qualities :up:
That's why Kralik and I were determined not to let the community die with Cobra Cards. :up:
But i guess this title stuff is a nice way of showing peoples peculiarities...maybe "Fool of a Took" fit´s me well too...hehehe
I could always change it to that.... ;)
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By the by, I went ahead and added the tourney to the calendar (http://lotrtcgdb.com/forums/index.php?action=calendar;year=2009;month=2). :up:
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Thx, DainIronfoot, King of Dwarves!
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Hmm, we really need to quit this suck-up diet we're on apparently....
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@each "flying" dutch man... ;-)
Which is the best way to get from the Airport of Rotterdam to Amsterdam (central city, etc.)? Train?
any idea?
Which is a good choice to stay over night in Amsterdam (youth hostel, etc.) - it should be cheap but also full fill some standards; for instance a roof without lacks... so that the rooms stay dry... etc. :lol:
Help please...
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Well, I'm not sure, but I did some checkwork on this subject. It is from Rotterdam Airport to Rotterdam Central Station a 20 minute busdrive, and from Rotterdam Central to Amsterdam Central a little more than an hour trainride. That last part will cost you something like 14 euro's. I think there are others that know it better.....
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But if you want me to, I will look into it more thoroughly....
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http://www.bobsyouthhostel.nl/ It is in the centre, costs you 18 euro's and breakfast is included
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Well from Rotterdam to amsterdam central you'll need the train and that will take about 1 hour:
09:41 Rotterdam Centraal 8 Amsterdam Centraal Sneltrein (NS)
09:46 Schiedam Centrum
09:54 Delft
10:02 Den Haag HS
10:05 Den Haag Laan v NOI
10:14 Leiden Centraal
10:28 Heemstede-Aerdenhout
10:34 Haarlem
10:45 Amsterdam Sloterdijk
10:52 Amsterdam Centraal 1
cost € 24,30 return and 13,60 for a one-way!
You can get out at Amsterdam Sloterdijk and take tram 12 to Elizabeth wolfstraat or you can go from Amsterdam Centraal with tram 13 to Elizabeth wolfstraat. The tram will cost you about 1,80 one-way.
So It might be cheaper to fly to Schiphol?
You can get more info about trains in the Netherlands on http://www.ns.nl
Okay it's in Dutch, but I think it's easy to understand.
Check this for the cheapest stay in Amsterdam: http://www.hostelsclub.com/
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That 24 euro's is for a one-day visa versa ticket...14 is a 1 way ticket
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I just see I'm an Uruk-Hai... I don't wannabee one... I wannabee Gollum....:(
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Is jord comming or is he not? Are the french, the belgiums,Germans, Italians, Polish or other nationalities comming???? The Englisch, the Scoth.. actually the 2-klaveren does allready have scotch, but some people can't get enough of that ;)
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;D
@Smeagollum: You can take a Gollum picture as Avatar :uh-huh:
\:D/ Holland rocks!
Do you have already all your decks? May I play Reflection cards in movie block?
@about foreign players: I will post this eve what people replyed to me.
Some Italians already told me, that they can not come...
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Hi Elrohir,
I will await your post about other people.
About your 2nd question I unfortunally have to say nay. Me and my friends definite want to have 2 rounds with playing filmblock. And reflections was never part of the filmblock (according to us and decipher).
I have many decks. I have to make for other people as well. So i'm still making and testing decks as it is an evertaking in progress being activity :D Actually that's the biggest fun with lotr: building decks: I've about 20 (12 physical and 8 extra on paper).
At the moment I'm busy with a very odd deck, which might or not might work... it depends how fast it is I think... but I'll keep it a secret of what kind of deck it will be, but yes gollum will be into it, but's not the key-minion.. he's in for extra fun!! Smeagol might be in as well, maybe as only companion, but probably not... and I wll not play the deck myslef. I think Mo or Menno will get this deck... If they win I actually get the prizesupport as I pay for them and they'll play with my decks:)
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Round 5: You may choose between your deck from round 1 & 2 with sitesor from 3 & 4 with sites: As an experiment. All sites to be used (which only can be rotk and standard as you have to use decks from round 1 & 2 or 3 & 4)),
If I`m correct I can bring 1 deck and play three rounds can I? namely a Fellowship block deck. The only thing I have to bring are more sites... (and a standard deck for the last round of course....)
2nd question: in round 5 I may choose between my decks... does this mean the deck must be identical to the deck I played earlier in the tournament? Or do you mean choose between format. Because it wouldn`t be a lot of fun playing a similar deck when everyone knows ;) my deck allready from a round before...
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In fellowship block, Galadriel Lady of Light is allowed, Horn of Boromir and Aragorn as well...
So you can play Cards of the fellowship block, but look for x and r list of Movie block (eg Galadriel is banned).
You also have to switch your sites.
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And I would like to suggest a system in which you cannot play vs players from your own community. I would really dislike to play vs my friends, which I play all the time. I'm thinking about something like they have in the Champions League. All players devided in several groups and players from your own player community are in 1 group. You can only play vs people from other groups. This way it is more attractive to players I think. Last year I went to Germany, took a far ride and was facing Madgoblin twice that weekend :S....
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Cesk Republika:
Marek: Hi, I think nobody [will come]....but we will be glad if you come to the Czech Republic (Prague) where we want to organize next "European Masters" tournament in TCG The Lord of the Rings ...
France: no replys (but still active members!)
Poland: no replys (but still active members!)
Germans: Some are coming!
Please help me to convince our neighbours! The links to their forum can be found at the topic "Best lotr forum" by theJord.
Everyone should post some sentence in every forum!
Italian Forum
Poland Forum
German Forum
French Forum
Cesk Forum
So, lets go! \:D/
EVEN THE SMALLEST PERSON CAN CHANGE THE COURSE OF THE FUTURE
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Round 5: You may choose between your deck from round 1 & 2 with sitesor from 3 & 4 with sites: As an experiment. All sites to be used (which only can be rotk and standard as you have to use decks from round 1 & 2 or 3 & 4)),
If I`m correct I can bring 1 deck and play three rounds can I? namely a Fellowship block deck. The only thing I have to bring are more sites... (and a standard deck for the last round of course....)
2nd question: in round 5 I may choose between my decks... does this mean the deck must be identical to the deck I played earlier in the tournament? Or do you mean choose between format. Because it wouldn`t be a lot of fun playing a similar deck when everyone knows ;) my deck allready from a round before...
Actually, you can play one deck during the whole tournament.. if you play only with rotk-block. But inded you only need more sites: Rotk-sites and standard-sites.
No, you need to choose between one of the 2 decks. Round 6 you can take a different (but need to be standard) deck.
It might not be fun that people knows your deck from earlier rounds, but then again normaly you would play just one deck.
On the other hand you are free to play 2 different decks the first 2 rounds. And same things goes round 3 & 4. That will give you the option to play 5 decks :D
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Where can I find those forums?
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thanx I will start building.
And I would like to suggest a system in which you cannot play vs players from your own community.
what say you of this smeagollum? I think it will be more fun. As we say in Holland: (as you know) small trouble great fun....
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Here are the links:
Italy:
http://sdagcc.forumfree.net
France:
http://frealaf.free.fr/forum/index.php
Ceska Republika:
http://www.lotrceskarepublika.ic.cz/index.html
Poland:
http://lotrtcg.animol.pl
Deutschland/Österreich/Schweiz:
http://www.forumromanum.de/member/forum/forum.php?USER=user_450427
Holland/Belgium:
www.theprancingpony.info
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Yeah, I tried to reach some communities here in Holland, the north part at least.....But JW, what about my option of dividing participants in different groups so they won't face eachother during tournament....
Oh and what time do you want to start?
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Hi Gil,
Just read your suggestion. I was allready thinking about it.
Tournament starts at 12.00 cet Amsterdam time. That would be eleven a clock in the uk.
You need to be there half an hour before.
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Hi everyone,
Can someone please post the time we're supposed to be starting this tournament? It would help me tremendously with my planning and with determining if and for how long I need to arrange babysitters etc.
thanks.
H.
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Henk,
Kijk eens 1 post hoger :)
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JW,
During work hours I rarely get the time to peruse five pages of discourse on what ould be better or why certain people should certainly come (or not as the case may be). Thanks anyway for the info (which should be edited into the initial post please!)
Ringbearer, I salute you for holding on to your convictions (even though i firmly believe you made the wrong decision!)
Thanks again and I'll see you all on the 7th.
H.
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I thought I'd mentioned the time, but obviesly I forgot it somehow. Now it's adjusted!
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At the prancing pony, someone wants to know, when tournament starts. As I am not able to reply, I can not answer....
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He actually allready knows what time it starts :-S
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Hi Elrohir,
I'm that person and I know JW personally so last Tuesday (The day our Amsterdam LotR die-hards get together) he informed me of the starting time. Thanks for mentioning it though.
See you all there on the 7th (Something tells me I said that before but hey, three things happen when you're getting older - 1. Your memory goes and ...... I can't remember the other two!)
H.
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See you all there on the 7th (Something tells me I said that before but hey, three things happen when you're getting older - 1. Your memory goes and ...... I can't remember the other two!)
Take this as a kind of compensation :gp:
Plese do not forget to persuade other communities! [-o<
Especially: Poland and France
Necessary as well: Italy (otherwise, I think their forum will die :'( ) write, write, write!!!!!!!!
Ceska Republika: Convincing work needed!
[-o<
Links can be found somewhere on this topic...I think some posts above :-k
Edit:
Voila!
Italy:
http://sdagcc.forumfree.net
France:
http://frealaf.free.fr/forum/index.php
Ceska Republika:
http://www.lotrceskarepublika.ic.cz/index.html
Poland:
http://lotrtcg.animol.pl
Deutschland/Österreich/Schweiz:
http://www.forumromanum.de/member/forum/forum.php?USER=user_450427
Holland/Belgium:
www.theprancingpony.info
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I made an update as there arised some questions about x-ed and limited cards. Just see blockrules and check which cards were x-ed or errated during filmblock!
By the way I wanted to write something on the other messageboards..., but then I saw it was in French, Chech, Polish and Italian. While I understand German and know to speak and write English, unfortunately, I don't speak those other languages.. It's like abracadabra to me :-S It's even not clear to me how to register for these sites, so I even can't post there ](*,)
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To smeagollum: for the record: my official nickname for the tourney and beyond is: Mc Toño (including the little mustache on the n) :-k
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Mc Tuna????? hahahaha
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Poland Forum Regristration (http://lotrtcg.animol.pl/profile.php?mode=register&sid=36cbbeda885ff22d5cef61164c82d632)
Ceska Republica Forum (http://www.lotrceskarepublika.ic.cz/forum.html) -> No registration needed
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Are you getting ready for the tournament...
I know I am very exited about it :)
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Updated topic with Ruling document's, with many thx to Kralik :up:
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New Forum of Ceska Republica: follow me (http://www.lotrcr.ic.cz)
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Important note by using sites round 5: You can use sites from one block only, so you can't combine rotk with standard or with tt or with fotr-sites
one question. Round 5: sites from one block only......Standard is not a Block. Its a format. so do you mean Shadow (11-13) as a block or do you mean: there are 4 blocks: fotr, tt, rotk and Standard?
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i'm planning to come.
it would be very helpful, if you (the organizer) could post the x-list and the r-list of each round (or at least the differences to the lists in the current rules document).
you say card x or card y is not x-ed for movie block, because it was not x-ed at that time, when this format was actual. but for us this not traceable, because we don´t know the complete history of the x-list.
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I have lost the track ??? Please sirs, if you want, let me know, if possible, which cards are (not) allowed. Erratas, R- and X-list would be nice. Information to the rules would be very kind, thanks in advance
your sincerely Elrohir
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Well, please consider your civilized tone :D. Let's see. First 2 rounds movieblock, almost every 'normal rule' applies like the movieblock regulation as it can be found here on this site. A few exeptions are made, namely it is being played as the block that was played before Shadows arrived. I thought I saw a new member saying that he had a CRD from right before Shadows hit the table.
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changed tone :-[
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what cards that are on the standard x-list are not on the movie block x-list?
is galadriel, lady redeemed allowed in movie block? is legolas, dauntless hunter? shire countryside? etc
please tell me.
but i'm sure, gondorian captain is not.
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All info about errata can be found in:
- Comprehensive Rules 4.0 (http://lotrtcgdb.com/rules/comprehensive.pdf). Useful as a reference guide, this rulebook goes into fine detail about each phase, contains a glossary and includes errata for cards through King Block. Check here first to settle a rules question or dispute.
- Current Rulings Document (08/13/07 (http://lotrtcgdb.com/rules/crd.pdf)). This is a supplement to the Comprehensive Rules and includes errata from Shadows on as well as formats information. Be familiar with the T&D fixes! :mrgreen:
About x-ed and restricted:
OPEN & BLOCK FORMAT
RESTRICTED LIST
No more than one copy of each of these cards may be included in a deck for an Open or Block format tournament.
FORCES OF MORDOR 1 C 248
STEADFAST CHAMPION 7 U 49
MEMORIES OF DARKNESS 10 U 2
MORDOR FIEND 10 C 91
STRANGE-LOOKING MEN 11 R 100
ORKISH SMITH 11 C 132
I hope this will make things clear! .... I don't see anything x-ed..... :o Yes that's correct ;D
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:o So I may play Galadriel, Lady of the golden Wood?
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I don't see on the x-list. Do you? ;)
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that´s the point. i don´t see an x-list for another format but standard and expanded. an x-list for movie block is missing.
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that´s the point. i don´t see an x-list for another format but standard and expanded. an x-list for movie block is missing.
You are correct!
There's no x-list for movieblock as it is a blockformat and there's no x-list for blockformat :) There are only errata's :D
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Isnt it common to use the X-list as it was before Shadows released?
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Sorry to get into the issue folks, but don´t use x-list for movie block is pretty insane! Galadriel, LR or LoL, Savagery, Saruman, Agression and all that stuff is just too crazy for me (not to mention our friend Mordor Fiend).
Usually what people do is use the list before shadows release adding Galadriel, LR to it. Some people that i play with prefer even the expanded list that forbid some other powerfull cards lke Sam, SoH or The Shire Countryside.
For the sake of the fun i recomend you to use some kind of x-list for movie block. I even don´t like block format (Fellowship, TT, RoTK) cause they allow you to play with some broken cards and that kinda make almost all players play with the same decks, or at least it narrows a lot the possibilities.
I know i will not be at the tourney but that´s my advice for you people.
See ya!
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"Movie Block" maybe could've been named something else, but that's what stuck. It's simply what the game was like before Shadows came out. At that time the game was using the X-List here (http://lotrtcgdb.com/forums/index.php?topic=120.0), for better or worse. Basically the format is frozen in time.
Can the X-List be revised for a better play experience? Up to you guys. It won't be the same "Movie Block," and more to the point it might catch some people using the old list by surprise--but if balance is more of a concern over authenticity, why not. It'd be interesting to see how the field changes.
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Only thing is I don't have any crd from pre-shadows. And if I remember correctly: Lr was banned afer set 10. Mordor fiend was even banned before it was released. Sam soh, was banned after 10, Agression likewise, Savagery I don't remember, Saruman round rotk-release. Shire countryside was banned afer set 10. Bill Ferny was banned with the release of set 9. Legolas DH was banned with the release of set 11.
Savagery, Saruman and Agression can be a problem within the first 2 rounds, but then again there's enough to counter them. And actually I thought it was fun to see them played and to see them played again!
Actually I 'll play a dauntlesshunterdeck with Shire countryside... so more reason for no x-list ;)
Mordor Fiend can only played once by the way! Maybe that would be a good idea for Saruman and Agression. But I leave that up to the people.
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hmm, what if we say that we allow just to restrict them instead of banning them?.
Movie Block
-Sets 1-8, 10 allowed (some variants allow set 9).
-Orriginal X-List
Aggression
Aragorn, Heir to the White City
Bill the Pony
Elrond, Lord of Rivendell
Flaming Brand
Forces of Mordor
Frying Pan
Galadriel, Lady of Light
Gondorian Captain
Horn of Boromir
Memories of Darkness
Mordor Fiend
No Stranger to the Shadows
Ottar, Man of Laketown
The Palantir of Orthanc
Relics of Moria
Saruman, Keeper of Isengard
Savagery to Match Their Numbers
Steadfast Champion
Sting
Ulaire Nertea, Messenger of Dol Guldur
Please decide before tomorrow!
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your x-list:
Aggression
Aragorn, Heir to the White City
Bill the Pony
Elrond, Lord of Rivendell
Flaming Brand
Forces of Mordor
Frying Pan
Galadriel, Lady of Light
Gondorian Captain
Horn of Boromir
Memories of Darkness
Mordor Fiend
No Stranger to the Shadows
Ottar, Man of Laketown
The Palantir of Orthanc
Relics of Moria
Saruman, Keeper of Isengard
Savagery to Match Their Numbers
Steadfast Champion
Sting
Ulaire Nertea, Messenger of Dol Guldur
my additions:
X Galadriel, Lady Redeemed
R Bill Ferny
X Sam, Son of Hamfast
X Saruman´s Snows
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Agreed wit Disco Stu
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I`m sorry guys but I simply don`t have the time to keep on changing my decks!!!!!!
PLEASE [-o< stop the altering of the rules. As you know small changes can make a huge difference.
I`m sort of glad I check this forum every now and then but I have put very very many hours in beckbuilding the last 2 months and buying and trading cards I think I would need. I think "it would be wise my friends [-X" not to change anything anymore. I speak for all the players that haven`t got all the time of the world and those who will be very disappointed in 3 days to hear that the deck they built only a week ago isn`t allowed!
I.m.h.o. You can`t (shouldn`t) change the rules of a tournament which is going to be played in 3 days!
I beg y`all. seriously!!
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I`m sorry guys but I simply don`t have the time to keep on changing my decks!!!!!!
PLEASE [-o< stop the altering of the rules. As you know small changes can make a huge difference.
I`m sort of glad I check this forum every now and then but I have put very very many hours in beckbuilding the last 2 months and buying and trading cards I think I would need. I think "it would be wise my friends [-X" not to change anything anymore. I speak for all the players that haven`t got all the time of the world and those who will be very disappointed in 3 days to hear that the deck they built only a week ago isn`t allowed!
I.m.h.o. You can`t (shouldn`t) change the rules of a tournament which is going to be played in 3 days!
I beg y`all. seriously!!
I actually agree with you Mackie!
I didn't suggest an x-list. I sugested a restricted list. Come on, there are people who would like to play old cards and cards they haven't played before. And be honest against everything there is something to counter. I can agree to a restricted list but not to a x-list.
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As always I will see the will of the council done, but don't start whining when I will kick some serious butt saturday ;D
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Any idea what time the tourney will finish?
2 decks finished, 1 to go, then i'll be ready for it. Looking forward to playing. :)
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Schedule:
2 klaveren opens at 10.00
You should be there at 11.30
start tournament:
1 round 12.00-12.55
2 round 13.00-13.55
3 round 14.20-15.15
4 round 15.20-16.15
5 round 16.20-17.15
6 round 17.20-18.15
Prizesupport:
everbody get 1 booster (bloodlines)+ a suprise
top 8 gets 2 boosters + a suprise
top 2 get 2 boosters + 1 miniature (actually it are 3 (unpainted) )+ a suprise
nr last get 3 boosters + 1 miniature + a suprise
Most original deck get 2 boosters + a miniature
Actually you play 55 minutes and then till the regroupphase
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How do you decide which of the (other) 8 players who will play the last round becomes the champion? there`s only one mach thus 4 winners. (just asking, probably not for me)
btw. extremely looking forward to playing y`all....
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On resistance
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I would like to know which cards are allowed to play. Is it right that all cards are allowed, but some are r-listed, right? Just to be sure...
I have two deckhalves build by now. Seems I will build all the night for the next halves :wuh?:
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Help!!!!
I try to be as clear as I can in this!!!
In the movieblock all cards are permited as is rb-skirmishcancelling!
Due that people can't handdle that I agree with a restricted list as it is mentioned in the current rullingbook. In addition to that list:
Movie Block
-Sets 1-8, 10 allowed (some variants allow set 9, but not in Amsterdam).
Aggression
Aragorn, Heir to the White City
Bill the Pony
Elrond, Lord of Rivendell
Flaming Brand
Forces of Mordor
Frying Pan
Galadriel, Lady of Light
Gondorian Captain
Horn of Boromir
Memories of Darkness
Mordor Fiend
No Stranger to the Shadows
Ottar, Man of Laketown
The Palantir of Orthanc
Relics of Moria
Saruman, Keeper of Isengard
Savagery to Match Their Numbers
Steadfast Champion
Sting
Ulaire Nertea, Messenger of Dol Guldur
This should be clear, I think.
The only addition I'm thinking about is still using old sites during round 3 ,4 & 5. I still want using the new system with them as I explained before (-original region + played region). The only thing I'm indeed concerned about is still the rotksites 8. The errata would repair it. But actually in the end I would like a system that makes it possible to use all old sites. I'm not planning to change for this tournament, but I'm allready thinking of some kind of a better repair. Optional is that you can only use the old sites in their original region ( I read this system somewhere before and actually I liked it). That would mean that you can play Prancing pony from set 1 either on the starting, the 2nd or the 3rd site. The sites will be regionbound. However this is a whole different discussion.
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I cant believe I have heard complaints about Standard being OP and then I look here and you are allowing Sam, Son of Hamfast! and Lady Redeemed! Barmy
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They are coming!
(we are)
leaving now
see you in 3 hours