The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Lothlórien => Movie => Topic started by: Enola on February 04, 2009, 02:46:58 PM
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Shadow Draw Deck
3x 2R84 • Úlaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight
3x 3U86 • Úlaire Otsea, Ringwraith in Twilight
4x 2U78 It Wants to be Found
4x 10R68 • Úlaire Enquea, Thrall of The One
3x 8R67 Between Nazgul and Prey
2x 9R+47 • Ithil Stone
1x 1R279 • Thin and Stretched
1x 2R90 • Tower Assassin
4x 1U258 Morgul Skulker
4x 10U97 The Ring Is Mine!
2x 6C108 Wisp of Pale Sheen
Shadow Total 31
There are 3 parts in this deck :
- Twilight Nazguls using It Wants to be Found,
- Enquea TOTO with BNAP
- and a Sauron part to bring the Nazgul cards back in the draw deck and add some additional burdens with The Ring Is Mine!,
we can also use • Thin and Stretched with Enquea
That's all ;),
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My thought is that it'll be hard to play Thin and Stretched because you only have 4 morgul skulkers, but it is a lean deck and you can draw cards with Ithil Stone. I'd also be afraid of The Ring is mine getting caught in your hand.
Definitely test it a few times, and shuffle it up a lot to see if you can get a bad minion draw, then evaluate how good it is at its worst.
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Lol this is probably one of the most powerful corrupt deck in Movie Block.....
This Shadow must be played with a good cycling Freeps, and 4 Skulkers are sufficients in 31 cards, it has been testing many times,
don't forget you easily add burdens in Manoeuver ;).
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I still say math dictates 4 The Ring is Mine! PLUS Thin and Stretched with only 4 Morgul Skulkers will eventually screw you. I'd consider a Tower Assassin, nice "splash" minion, good enough effect depending on what you're up against and reasonable body that allows for playing those with more ease. Probably over a sincle The Ring is Mine!. I think it'd give you more reliable odds of getting to play the cards in the right order to corrupt. But that's about it (MAYBE cut a BNaP, but I don't think it's necessary, it's still useful with the other Nazgul, unless you want a singleton Blade Tip for Otsea's text).
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I'd replace ostea with equina, more useful 2U83
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Yeah, but you cant get rid of 4x 10R68 • Úlaire Enquea, Thrall of The One. That's the key to the deck. I think he uses Nelya, and Otsea because they are cheaper. Thus he can play It wants to be found.
It feels like it needs 2 more wisps of pale sheen or 2 more [Sauron] Orcs if it could spare the room.
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You could add a couple Spied From Above to play Wisps in regroup and discard for more burdens
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you will get a real problem when you draw bad, most decks have alternatives against these cases.....you should pack the witch-king, lord of the nazgul and throw out the useless otsea, i know many versions from twilight guls, and play them by myself...without the witchi, they are always half power
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The twilight Nazguls I use are cheaper, so you can play a Sauron minion to add burdens.
This deck has to be in 30-31 cards to draw the good card at the good moment ;).
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Uhm actually it can be faster: Put in a Sauron's throne, a Undead of Angmar and a Mount doom....
It will give resistance -4. I even wouldn't use the Wisp of Pale Sheen but 4x Morgul brute... and 4x Covetous Wisp. If they don't assign you'll have a pomp of 4!
3x 2R84 • Úlaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight
3x 3U86 • Úlaire Otsea, Ringwraith in Twilight
4x 2U78 It Wants to be Found
4x 10R68 • Úlaire Enquea, Thrall of The One
3x 8R67 Between Nazgul and Prey
2x 9R+47 • Ithil Stone
1x Sauron's throne
4x Covetous Wisp
4x Morgul brute
4x Undead of Angmar
and either 4 x Candle Corpses or Dead Faces
And why the Thin and stretched, Morgul skulkers and a Tower assasin??? Only because The Ring Is Mine!? In that case I would even use a totally different deck:
4x Desperate Defense of the Ring
Thin and stretched
4x Orc Inquisitor
The Irresistible Shadow
4x The Ring Is Mine!
4x Gorgoroth Stormer
4x Mordor Fighter
Gollum, Stinker
3x Captured by the Ring
Fat One Wants It
So Polite
2x Dead Marshes
3x Grishnakh, Orc Captain
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Smeagollum, first this is movieblock. So Throne of the Dark Lord and such can't be added to the deck.
Second, well, ok....
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Why not replace the two Ithil Stones with Bent on Discovery? It gives you the same card-drawing ability and also the ability to exert your Enquea, ToTO without the four BNaP. The only benefit Ithil Stone has over BoD, then, is its ability to bring out one of your Sauron minions in a tight spot.
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Now, I threw the Thin and Streched away and replaced it with 1 or 2 Bent on Discovery,
I play only 3 BNaP, otherwise it's clocking your hand.... and you need them to avoid characters like Faramir sod, Eowyn LOI, Gandalf+Staff ....
Moreover, Ithil Stone is an artifact and yeap you could play the minion you need in a tight spot ;).
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Why throw out the Thin and Stretched? It's a nasty little card that adds burdens quite well when you can get it out (and at least makes your opponent use Athelas or another condition remover..which prohibits him from using it elsewhere -- like if you wanted to throw in a Blade Tip). My idea was to throw out an Ithil Stone and put in three Bent on Discovery. To balance that out you can remove two BNaP because with BoD you already have that exertion power.
By the way, BNaP requires some major twilight, it's probably better to just bring out another minion instead of wasting that 4 twilight. For example, with two (or even one) Bent on Discovery on the table you get that exertion power you need for 10R68, and because you aren't paying 4 twilight for BNaP you can instead bring out a, say, WoPS to add ANOTHER burden.
Just my two cents.
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Mmh Enquea+BNAP were only there to complete the deck, the strategy of the deck is not based on him.
And you really need BNaP, for the reasons I just said up there.
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Have a tenth of your deck (and [4] per card) devoted to protecting against two cards? I would say that it is better to combine the primary functions of BNaP and Ithil Stone - mainly, exerting Enquea TotO to add burdens and drawing cards to get what you need when you need it - into one card that costs [3] less, lets you draw more cards (BoD isn't unique like Ithil Stone), and still gets you that exerting power.
You can then devote the space and twilight you spent on BNaP on more minions.
*shrug* I'm actually stealing this deck idea from you for my shadow side on my Dwarf deck and to me it seemed like BoD is a stronger card for the deck than the combo of BNaP and Ithil Stone.
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3x 2R84 • Úlaire Nelya, Ringwraith in Twilight
4x 3U86 • Úlaire Otsea, Ringwraith in Twilight
4x 2U78 It Wants to be Found
4x 10R68 • Úlaire Enquea, Thrall of The One
3x 1R206 Bent on Discovery
2x 1R279 • Thin and Stretched
4x 1U258 Morgul Skulker
4x 10U97 The Ring Is Mine!
2x 6C108 Wisp of Pale Sheen
3x 1R244 Desperate Defense of the Ring
3x 1C261 Orc Ambusher
= 36 cards
= 20 minions
= 7 Twilight [Wraith] (to 4 cards that play off of them)
= 10 [Sauron] Minions (to 9 cards that play off of them)
The deck has one focus, to add burdens. Every card, every play, every action should be focused on that single goal; in my opinion, if it doesn't contribute to adding burdens, it's useless. You don't need to win skirmishes, all this deck relies on actually is just getting to them, and (in the case of Wisp of Pale Sheen) surviving them. That being said, this deck still has three parts to add burdens:
- Use It Wants To Be Found in tandem with twilight Nazgul to add burdens.
- Use Úlaire Enquea, Thrall of The One, in tandem with Bent on Discovery, to add burdens.
- Use [Sauron] conditions and events (Desperate Defense of the Ring to force the Free Peoples to either add burdens or do some major hand discarding - this will help your Free Peoples as they discard minions AND/OR your Shadow as they get rid of skirmish cards. Thin and Stretched to, well, add burdens. The Ring Is Mine! to multiply the burden adding.) that play off of your [Sauron] minions (that also have the potential to add burdens (Wisp of Pale Sheen), or can recycle your It Wants To Be Found and [Wraith] minions))
I threw in the cheapest [Sauron] minions that I could find to use as exerting fodder for the conditions since they don't need to win skirmishes at all (just be assigned for some DDotR action) and this deck requires MAJOR twilight. I played a deck similar to this one and found that to be its major weakness. To be effective, it requires both your [Sauron] and [Wraith] minions to be out; even when that isn't necessary, you're still spending high twilight on one or the other.
You need a total of, at least, [6] to add a single burden with strategy #1 (the twilight nazgul and IWTBF). It then takes - at least - another [3] (with roaming) to add another with The Ring is Mine!. So we're talking [8] to add just two burdens.
Say that is one turn, then the next turn you decide to bring out Úlaire Enquea, Thrall of The One with two Bent on Discovery in order to exert him and get two more cards in hand (lets say to get a The Ring is Mine!). That requires [8], plus the [3] or [4] required of the [Sauron] strategy. So we're talking another 11 twilight to add three burdens.
It's going to be very hard to balance the [Wraith] and [Sauron] sides of this deck to get the cards that you need out when you need them; drawing them when you need will be a problem (especially for your two burden adding events) but also playing everything you need (that is, a [Wraith] AND a [Sauron] minion in the same turn to get even adequate burden potential.
Also think that this deck moves the [Wraith] from early game to late game, since it will be only then that they can get the twilight they need to play effectively (even Ford of Bruinen is out). Furthermore, against a small fellowship this deck will most likely lose. Say at Site 5 we are getting [6] for the site plus [3] for the fellowship and MAYBE [2] or [3] for stuff played. That's barely enough to add two burdens with a perfect hand.
So basically to say, with any Turbo Corruption deck (the above build or yours) you are going to have to work on twilight management. Having played a deck like this and planning on using the above model for a deck, I can say that maximizing burdens for twilight is a lot harder than it seems. It's a solid deck build, but its hard to play because it requires lots of balance.
Sorry for the double post, but anyone please tell me what you think.