The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Bag End => Topic started by: Rathmaker on February 24, 2009, 11:01:41 AM
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Hello everyone. I have been looking at my LOTR cards that have been sitting around for some time now, and have had the interest begin to spark on playing again. I am wondering if anything ever came out of the creation of a Player's Committee (like SW and ST did), or is it still not off the ground at all? If there has been one then cool I will have to look around for players in this area.
If not, then anyone want to buy 35,000 cards? ;)
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Let's make one.
In other words... no, there isn't one. And I personally doubt there'll ever be one sanctioned by Decipher since they have no incentive to do so. We should stop waiting and make one here.
Of course the problems lie in agreeing on a format to play. Ie: an X List has to be agreed upon, the blocks if we want a rotation sytem, what to do about the last three sets, etc. I would say agreement on these issues will be difficult -- especially with a lack of 'legitimacy' coming from no blessing from big 'D'.
My Proposal:
0. I guess we'll have to put someone in charge. By election perhaps? The big name guys on these boards will help with our legitimacy problem.
1. Agree on the current set rotation, if any. I'd prefer none.
2. Agree on an updated X-List, Restricted List and/or Errata to break the big loops, broken-ness etc.
3. Lets start by virtualizing Set 1 (about 20) of the old cards (from Blocks 1-3) and avoid making new images for awhile. This will warm people up.
Thoughts to consider:
A: Do YOU want virtual cards?
B: Would you fall behind a committee that starts changing things in the game?
C: How should the rotations be dealt with?
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If you're in the Chicago area, I'm always ready to play.
As for the PC, it never got off the ground. There was obvious interest from the players side, but it never really got past that. The biggest obstacle at the time (and still today) is that Decipher is a little (ok, very) preoccupied with Fight Klub. It just launched, and they're understandably trying to keep the focus on that.
When things get a little more settled, it will be easier to get their attention and plead our case.
The other big stumbling blocks include the lack of sealed product available on the market (it was mentioned elsewhere that Decipher has none left in their warehouse), post Movie Block loss of players, the 3-5 year gap of communication (not everybody knows about this site, obviously), and the varying, very strong opinions of the players of how to "fix" the game. From my understanding, when the PC does get started, and it will, everything from Hunters, RoS, T&D and AE will be banned as the PC comes up with the best solution of how to bring them back into the game. Other preliminary ideas have been tossed out there by those looking to head up the PC, but it's way too soon to say whether or not those will be part of the final plan.
That said, if you've got ideas for the PC, feel free to email them to lotrtcgpc@gmail.com - it doesn't always get checked, as it's on the back burner for most everybody involved, but it will be reviewed in time.
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My Proposal:
0. I guess we'll have to put someone in charge. By election perhaps? The big name guys on these boards will help with our legitimacy problem.
1. Agree on the current set rotation, if any. I'd prefer none.
2. Agree on an updated X-List, Restricted List and/or Errata to break the big loops, broken-ness etc.
3. Lets start by virtualizing Set 1 (about 20) of the old cards (from Blocks 1-3) and avoid making new images for awhile. This will warm people up.
As for point 0 on your list, and no offense to anyone here, but there are NO big name players on this site that outsiders would recognize has being an authority on or in the game. Probably the biggest name on this board is LCJK (Lee Clarke) and he only posted here to sell off his cards! Other than him, you had bibfortuna, a very very good rules guy, but he hasn't posted in ages.
Point being, and I know we all want someone heading up the game so it continues, but the only way it can be done right is with Decipher's blessing and computer files.
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I have to agree with hawkeyeSPF on this. We can open a dialogue with Decipher once Fight Klub is on its feet.
I think putting the effort in now, and having to redo it when Decipher have the time to help will just be annoyance.
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All Hunter's block banned? No way in #$&*@! I will recognize that.
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Don't worry, it'll still be there in Open and Expanded, but Standard will not contain broken cards. And as I said, it would be temporary until a way can be found to bring it back in w/o X-Listing half of each set or more.
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I guess I will continue playing without the PC's rules then.
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Don't worry, it'll still be there in Open and Expanded, but Standard will not contain broken cards. And as I said, it would be temporary until a way can be found to bring it back in w/o X-Listing half of each set or more.
Mass errata with V-Slips would probably be necessary I'd guess. I'd rather see the errata's with printable slips than an X-List. Even though I've got 4 packs worth of Hunters block. HawkEye's right though, it'd be necessary for a little while or we'd have to wait a loooong time until the PC worked out errata's behind closed doors.
But MrLurtz's reaction is typical of what I'd expect with the creation of a PC. Some will not like the decisions no matter what they are.
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jerba I would like to hear your opinion on which cards need errata
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Lurtzy: So, in your opinion, the game is balanced as is? It doesn't need to have all of Hunters Block looked at?
LOOKED AT <--- This does not imply that everything will need to be changed. There is plenty in Hunters Block that I'm sure won't need to be errated even. SOME OF IT DOES.
You got it exactly right jerba - some people just do not like change, no matter how good the result will be. V-Slip errata is exactly what was discussed. My hope would be that one copy of the errata slips could be mailed, free of charge, to each person who registered with the PC, but I have no idea what the finances of the PC will look like, so I don't know that that's feasible.
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Well I don't play standard, I play Hunter block, and imso it is quite balanced.
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Dude, if you don't play standard, then the "ban" won't affect you AT ALL! Why would you complain about something that doesn't affect you?
If you're worried that the erratas will have a negative effect on Hunters Block play, I can assure you that interactions in all play environments will be looked at and considered before any errata is finalized.
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jerba I would like to hear your opinion on which cards need errata
Honestly, I don't have an answer. Unfortunately I am just getting back into the game. I have 4 packs worth of Hunters and thats it. I played during FoTR-TTT and right now I'm trying to catch up. I hate the new shadow cultures introduced in Shadows and the Hunter keyword. But obviously those aren't going anywhere do I'll just suck it up. :)
About all I know of the Hunters block is what people say about it. They say it needs repairs, I believe them. I could be wrong and thats fine. I just want the game to move forward.
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So if you change cards from sets 15-19 , it won't affect the Hunter's Block?
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I guess I will continue playing without the PC's rules then.
why? so you can use broken cards and combos?
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To each his own.
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To each his own.
Just remember: if any card would be changed it is for the good of the game. Many factors have to be weighed when changing a card. Balance, availability of the card, counters, new players, old players, backlash, etc. No card will be changed without reason. If a precious Hunter block card would be changed it is so that the game is more fun, more accessible, and therefore more welcoming to every breed of player.
Also, I think as FEW cards as possible, if any, will be errattaed. Do as little harm as possible should be the goal. But some trade-offs will be made. You could change a few cards and advance the game with more players OR not change anything and wait for the game to continue to die.
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What cards would be top priority for being banned?
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There is only one genuinly broken combo in Standard and that is the Horn deck. Nothing else filters the deck except Gil-Galad and Leaving Forever, and thats a regroup loop that needs setup.
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Yes, Lurtzy, it'll affect Hunters Block, but you can be sure that the PC will only change cards that need change, and that those changes will not negatively affect any play environment, be it Standard, Expanded, Open, Draft, or Block.
The Horn deck will definitely receive some type of errata. Loops of that sort will not be welcome in any format. Frenzy of Arrows is another that will get consideration. Decipher simply didn't have the manpower or time to fix that one properly.
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What cards would be top priority for being banned?
Now... there are some cards which should have never been printed like
- Madril DoO
- Gil-Galad High-King of the Noldor
- Elven Armaments
- Frenzy of Arrows
- Namarie
- and some others... these ARE ABSOLUTELY BROKEN!
then there are some others where the cost/use realtion is not balanced, like the all the horns... they need twilight cost 1 at least instead of 0
then there are some cards which are very very strong:
- Aragorn Thorongil (if you don't play against hunters, he is strength 10 basically, vitality 4, resistance 8, ranger with a powerful ability and it is Aragorn itself)
- Glorfindel Eldarin Lord
- Gothmog Morgul Leader (he is far to strong with strength 15... so much archery... and then play minions from discard pile...)
- Galadriel's Silver Ewer (Galadriel became a to strong and to powerful ringbearer - hardly to kill or to corrupt)
- Rumil Silvan Elf
- Orophin Silvan Elf
then there are some cards which are to weak, like
- ents marching
- drawn to full height
- Ulaire Attea Desirous of Power
- Miruvore
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Ents in general are far to weak!
[Gandalf] Men are to weak!
In each set there are some more useful/powerful cards and some cards which aren't used often... but these examples listed here are real major problems
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Well, wether the horn deck, nor the Gil-Galad combo should be changed. The hunters block is balanced, as it is the standard format.
Be aware: do NOT change cards! That would divide the playership and ruin the game. As I have said before, the horn deck and even the troll swarm are not overpowered!
Card changing can not be handled by players, because it is a subjectif view of sight.
There is just one thing to change, indeed, I think : "Frenzy of arrows". And for this, I would suggst to get 150 subscriptions of players all over the world (do not forget Asia!!!) to accept the new card.
And, if Decipher gets ready with Fight Klub: Collect all rule questions with examples, so we can give them to decipher.
Election would be nice.
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Well, wether the horn deck, nor the Gil-Galad combo should be changed. The hunters block is balanced, as it is the standard format.
Be aware: do NOT change cards! That would divide the playership and ruin the game. As I have said before, the horn deck and even the troll swarm are ot overpowered!
There is just one thing to change, indeed, I think : "Frenzy of arrows".
And, if Decipher gets ready with Fight Klub: Collect all rule questions with examples, so we can give them to decipher.
Election would be nice.
Decipher will NOT work with us on rules questions. They will not fix things. Period. They could care less. Its no longer there problem as we've seen over the last few years. They don't have any LOTR experts left nor the incentive to help. Their "blessing" will be nothing more than permission to use their template if we're lucky imo. Remember its D that ruined the game, it won't have been the PC.
As for changing cards, somethings will have to be handled. Plus, its these attitudes that have prevented, to some degree, the PC from moving forward. Whats the purpose of the PC if it can't fix some things? I don't have any card in my sights here. But you guys who can't stand the thought of change: What is the purpose of the PC in your opinion?
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I would agree that Frenzy of Arrows needs to be changed (I usually change all the 2s to 1), DoO should be changed and I think that Namarie should probably be unique... but besides those three, I don't think that there should be any changes.
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Holy cow I come back to this thread and it is 2 pages! Unfortunately, it is looking like a PC is not getting off the ground. So Decipher took the time and effort to get the Star Trek PC off the ground, yet not LOTR? That is NOT meant to start anything...I am just curious if this is what happened?
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Actually, the Trek CC (trekcc.org) started all on its own without explicit permission from either Decipher or Paramount. They got the template files straight from Brad Defruiter, who used to be in charge of design for trek. So far, they have managed not to piss off either D or Paramount, but they run the risk of doing so and being shut down.
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And, if Decipher gets ready with Fight Klub: Collect all rule questions with examples, so we can give them to decipher.
Can't think of many standing issues that have NOLINKcome down to "just make a call, any call" (Helpless comes to mind). Which ones were you thinking of?
The comprehensive rulebook could always use some updating/consolidation: the stuff from Hunters, rulings from CRDs, plus several places that could be clarified. Maybe all of it can be gathered in an unofficial FAQ in the interim.
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I belive that the rules SW TCG PC is using for themselves are the ones LOTR TCG PC should have:
1) They never modify any actually printed card by errata or by making virtual cards with the same titles and images.
2) They never modify any X- and R-list for printed cards, as by the last edition of WOTC ban list.
3) They do create they own virtual cards with new titles and new images. They are using WOTC copyrighted templates and Lucasfilm's images but neither seem to care.
4) They do allow players to play with or without their new cards. That way the purists can still have their own pre-PC "standard" format unchanged, while the rest can experiments with new cards and new mechanics, trying to balance old card or make them playable again.
And yes, I agree with Elrohir, if LOTR PC will start by banning and changing existing cards, it will only alienate players from it. (However Frenzy of Arrows is the notable exception).
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Don't ban any cards. Restrict them or give them a plausable errata. Besides that I think we should think of a new gamemechanic. With a new gamemechanic it becomes a new game and if we could get the lisence from new line we can make new cards. will ad more info later.
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I would agree that Frenzy of Arrows needs to be changed (I usually change all the 2s to 1), DoO should be changed and I think that Namarie should probably be unique... but besides those three, I don't think that there should be any changes.
so lets just have an aragorn that trumps just about every other aragorn in the game.
and make galadriel amazing. and any namarie absolutely wipes out any conditions you have. specially with hearth and hall. hunter elves are way OP...
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To get license, we have to run a TCG succesful for 5 years.
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To get license, we have to run a TCG succesful for 5 years.
And good financing. We won't be getting the license. We just need a PC to make new cards not a company .
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I'm more thinking of designing a new gameplay which alow is to use the crads from lotr tcg and then contact for example wizards or any other company. They might be interested with the 2 hobbitmovies comming and also because of lotr rpg online.
For instance we can modify the gameplay combining lotr's gamemechanic with the one from SW ccg.
Instead of using twilight tokens we create a shadow twilightpile. Example: freeps play sting cost 1, moves with 2 comps to a site of 1 in region 3= 1 + 2 + 1 + 6= 10 cards for the twillightpile of the shadowplayer. The shadowplayer can use this pile to pay the cost for the cards he plays in his shadowpahase. Only problem I encouter what if you don't have any cards in your deck. The freeps will have a free walk then.. hmmm still a lot of thinking to do with this.
I'm just giving thoughts!
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I have one of the players from the online league who is a part of the Star Wars PC who wants to work on a LOTR PC. With some experience and direction we could make it a success. I am worried that so many people are throwing out different ideas we will have a fracturous PC so we need to decide to get behind one 'group' or we might as well continue on as we have been...
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I have one of the players from the online league who is a part of the Star Wars PC who wants to work on a LOTR PC. With some experience and direction we could make it a success. I am worried that so many people are throwing out different ideas we will have a fracturous PC so we need to decide to get behind one 'group' or we might as well continue on as we have been...
I totally agree with you... what are his idea's?
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Give us some time and we will come up with a proposal
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Quick Poll: will you answer these questions:
EDIT: SEE the poll on the Bag End main page.
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maybe start a new topic with an actual poll...
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maybe start a new topic with an actual poll...
Good idea! Done. :gp:
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well, first of all i have to say that i didn't read the whole thread, which means i did only fly over it.
but to my mind the most important basics for a PC are:
1 - take only a few members, which means ~ 5-6, should form a PC (too many opinions...and so on)
2 - diffent countries, different life styles: the members of a PC should come from all over the world, e.g one from the USA, GB, Australia, South America, Germany/Austria, alright?
i'll throw in myself later.
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maybe 2 representatives from each country.
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well, first of all i have to say that i didn't read the whole thread, which means i did only fly over it.
but to my mind the most important basics for a PC are:
1 - take only a few members, which means ~ 5-6, should form a PC (too many opinions...and so on)
2 - diffent countries, different life styles: the members of a PC should come from all over the world, e.g one from the USA, GB, Australia, South America, Germany/Austria, alright?
i'll throw in myself later.
Multi-national representation and liason is essential. I think talking specific numbers is premature but I agree with you the PC should be tight in numbers. However, there will have to be more people included in playtesting capacity.
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I would agree that Frenzy of Arrows needs to be changed (I usually change all the 2s to 1), DoO should be changed and I think that Namarie should probably be unique... but besides those three, I don't think that there should be any changes.
so lets just have an aragorn that trumps just about every other aragorn in the game.
and make galadriel amazing. and any namarie absolutely wipes out any conditions you have. specially with hearth and hall. hunter elves are way OP...
word! they are absolutely OP!
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maybe 2 representatives from each country.
the more represantativs the more difficult it gets to come up to a decision...
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Hey guys,
I'm the one that Jordy was talking about. I have ideas on the directions we could take this. What I do want to do though, is try to respect what has been working in the game, while addressing what needs to be fixed. My goal would be to incorporate the feedback of the players into our decisions, but ultimately we would have to have people make the tough decisions.
I have been helping the SWCCG PC only as a graphical artist, so I don't want to make it sound like I have been involved in the design. I'm more than willing to help get the card templates looking good. I do have experience in doing game design and custom modifications to dead games. Most of the work I have done is with a game called Star Wars Epic Duels, where we have made entire expansions of a great game that is a marriage between Card game, Board game, and miniature game.
I do possess quite a bit of skill in game design, and I have worked with others in groups to formulate the direction and guide a game down the path of custom expansion. I do have some ideas and visions for the PC, but they would be best shared with a council of players that would be on board in helping to get the PC together.
How do we get this council together?
I would love to see open nominations happen for players that could be valuable assets to the council. We could then have those nominations voted on, assuming the players would then accept their nomination. yes you can nominate yourself. This way the players in charge would be helping to represent the other players.
I also bring experience in this game. I did not play much in the tourney scene in real life. When I got to be a good player, I was spending the weekends visiting my gf who is now my wife. The best part about this now though, is that she would be on board in helping to make my time spent on this project successful. She also plays the game and is not too shabby herself.
Why have I not been involved in these forums much?
Well to be honest, I watched the game die, and I tried hard to get a PC going near the end of it's life. However, others were asking me to hold off as they wanted something "Official" with D. I obliged and nothing ever came of it. I watched the game die, and I became content playing with my group of friends. I lost contact with the forums after that, but my desire to see a PC formed has never really been extinguished. I would love to see the fire lit again, and I am encouraged to see this group that has formed.
I would lead this charge if anyone is willing to follow.
So would anyone be interested in me heading this up?
,Fishfleas (aka BoromirLOG)
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yeah...I will follow you....that song is pounding through my head anyway these days :P
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Very Cool,
I'm still figuring out the nuances of this functions of this forum, but you should PM me with what you think you could bring to the table. If I do head this up, then I'ld be looking people that are good in different areas.
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I've been trying to get people warmed up to the idea of a PC. I had no idea fishfleas was the guy to do it, but I'm in full support and hope I can help.
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What will you do regarding the hunter's block?
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Generally speaking, I think it has alot of potential. However, I also see that it has issues too. I do have ideas on how to handle it. I know this was a huge obstacle for alot of players. My goal would be to provide a format that gets the game back to the gem it was. The exact method of doing that would be open for discussion. I definately have my ideas on the project, but I would definately want to take in everyone's input. I also think we would need to see what the current community is mainly playing. What formats are popular? What formats are players most in favor of? All these are things that must be evaluated to make things successful. I do have my ideas on the direction of the game, but the last thing I want to do is FORCE them down anyone's throats. I would want to make sure we are taking into account current, old, returning, and new players.
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I am definitely interested in getting involved in this and I'm happy for you to take charge, fishfleas. I'd love to be in design or development.
How widespread do you expect this PC to be? Do you envisage it being made up mainly or entirely from this forum? If not, how are you planning to go about the nominations and such?
Thranduil
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Well so far it seems like people wouldn't mind me leading this. I'ld like to see if everyone is on board for me to lead it, before we go about nominating people.
As for widespread... I think there would be great assets outside this forum, but we need to have a central location to discuss. We would need private forums that none but PC members can see. There of course would have to be some "Fight Club" rules of sort. However, I would like to see the players be more involved and not so much of a good ol boys club.
I would like Nominations be held. I'm open to suggestions for specific layouts. Should we have terms? Should we just see how it goes, and then we decide on terms? All these are good questions. Some of these things may depend a bit on how we begin to structure the game progress itself.
We'll need playtesters. We'll need designers. We'll need artists. We'll need PR people. We need all kinds of people with various skills to really pull this off. People will have to be able to spend some time on this.
We'll need to formulate a list of roles that will need to be filled. I'm not opposed to people filling multiple roles. I don't mind doing some artwork, but if I"m leading the project then I probably will need to just oversee Graphic Design. I would like to also give input in the design of the sets, but I'm not sure I want to design a whole set. So if I'm at the top per se, then I could put some influence on areas while being able to give control of those areas mainly to nominated leaders of those areas.
Does that help a bit on what I'm thinking?
I'm not really typing anything up formally, I'm just discussing on the fly atm.
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No private forums. It's bad enough with the mods already.
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In design and what not on the PC end of things, it would just be a mess to not have private forums. There is just too much discussion that would need to be kept private to be able to have any kind of progress. It's just part of the process. However, I am definately open to having more player input and feedback involved.
I just don't see any realistic way to make the PC work with a completely open forum though. If you have good reasons and support for that opinion though, I encourage you to state it. However, you would be going against the grain of Years and years of game design implementation. :) So the argument would have to be good. :)
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I would like to know why the discussion would need to be private. Everyone deserves to see what's going on.
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Try putting 50 people in the room with various ideas. See how easy it is to make progress in moving forward. :) Your point though is also along the lines as I feel though. I want the players in the community involved. I want their voices heard. I would like to see a setup where that can happen. However, we will still need a forum that would be for private discussion. At the very least where only the PC members can post.
IN Design designers need the freedom to through ideas out. I've seen it too many times where cards that are created are just so good or bizarre that most people may just flip out over the power of playability of the card. When that happens sometimes great ideas are lost. Allowing Design to be creative is good. It's what makes for a healthy design environment. Given there does need to be some parameters. I think everyone would agree we don't need to see 30+ str orc armies...
I do hear you though Lurtzy. I don't want this to be a "good ol' boys" club. It needs to involve the players and be for the players. I also appreciate your questioning things. It's very healthy to have people question ideas. If we all agreed then things could end up even worse. :)
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What does it matter if there are 50 people giving out ideas (I guarantee it won't even be half that)? Just because more people have opinions does not mean that they should be ignored.
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I think the first thing to do is to generate credibility. With every forum the risk is that people get to know eachother, and indeed a 'good ol'boys' club is created. Therefor credibility and acceptance by the whole community -as far as possible- is needed. Maybe via the old groups on decktech? So we need definately need quite some time to get more people involved..people from all over the world.
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Lurtzy,
I just told you, I by no means want to ignore the players. I want them to be involved, but I still feel there will need to be a forum that is PC only. This is my feeling. It's not to segment the players from the PC. It's just what is needed in order to make the PC function smoothly.
This is why though that we need the correct people involved. The player's Advocate will be directly responsible in communicating with and for the players. They need to be someone who can communicate well with other members and the players. However, what I see is someone in this position going further than just communicating. I would like them to take polls. Gather feedback. Talk with the players. Hear their concerns. Now at a small scale we could possibly all be PLayers Advocates on the Council. As we grow though, that would need to be designated to one person, or a couple people.
These are just thoughts though.
I've heard people saying they would like to structure this based on the SWCCG PC. Well this is how it is done there. However, I would like to try to find ways to have the players even more involved with this council.
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What does it matter if there are 50 people giving out ideas (I guarantee it won't even be half that)? Just because more people have opinions does not mean that they should be ignored.
Its not about ignoring ideas or secrecy. Its about providing a united front when things are released and developing an idea without alienating the general play group. We don't want there to be different bickering camps -- I've seen it in Star Wars. It creates a hostile environment, nothing gets done, and the product (ie v cards) suffer as a result. You lose more players in this situation. In fact if the whole community was contributing, voting on, and making each and every v-card most ideas and proposals would HAVE to be ignored, passed over, or tacitly acknowledged. You will be offending a lot more people like that and creating a schism in our playing group. Private PC forums allows for the arguments and development to safely evolve without any threat to the community on the whole.
Part of the great aspect of card game expansions is the anticipation for new cards. Something must be a surprise. If that process were generally available to the community nothing would be a surprise. Nothing would be agreed upon and the PC would not exist. It might as well be the DC forum here on TLHH.
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I would lead this charge if anyone is willing to follow.
So would anyone be interested in me heading this up?
Good going Fishfleas! I like to be involved too!
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We need a founder, a bursar (fees, prizesupport...) and a secretary, who mails any news to the heads of each country, who mail the received news to their members in their language.
Oh - a wrackspurt!
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We need a founder, a bursar (fees, prizesupport...) and a secretary, who mails any news to the heads of each country, who mail the received news to their members in their language.
Oh - a wrackspurt!
What do you mean by founder and bursar. It's not quite clear to me...
Suggestions about organization:
Administration:
1. Chairman Fishfleas
2. Secretary Elrohir (to me it seems he speaks at least 4 different languages)
3. Cashier
4. Rulings & Referee’s:
a. Referees
5. Playdevellopment & design
a. Designers
b. Developers
c. Testers
6. Marketing (contact (decipher, Weta, Licenseholders), reaching sponsors and new players)
7. Webhost
a. Moderators
I feel for nr 4 or 5 :) I play since the game released FOTR. Played and organized a lot of tournaments. Participated on EC in 2004. Should have played EC 2005 as well, but was just out of hospital at that moment, recovering from getting an artificial hip.... :'(
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i would like to be a play tester and one of the "last 2" as well! i'm playing lotr since EoF, which means i made nearly 1000 games and joined about 50 tournaments.
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Cool to see you guys jumping in and participating. I may be toning down a little on my posts, but I am still reading your thoughts. Go ahead and brainstorm more on the layout of the positions. You're giving me ideas. I'm focusing on tracking down people that will be helpful in making this work.
Thanks for the feedback/ input guys.
I also don't know some of you that well. If you used to play on SDA with the WWL you should tell me what your Username was. I might recognize that better.
Thanks everyone.
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I suggest:
Chair or Steward (ala Gondor) :lol:
Vice-Chair (or Vice-Steward)
Tournament Advocate -- In charge of Tournies and ratings system.
Online Play Coordinator -- Works with tournament coordinator, or this could be part of Tourny advocates job, to organize online tournaments and ratings.
Rules Advocate or Rules Wizard, Giver of Council :P -- In charge of rules questions and leader of any councils called to resolve serious rules questions: erratas, bans, restrictions, etc. Develops CRD etc.
Players Advocate -- keeps the pulse of the players community. The official go-between from the PC to the players. Reveals the spoilers, runs polls, contests, etc.
International Coordinator -- Works with Tourny and Players Advocates to maintain and coordinate all events and reach out to all players groups.
Background teams and committees:
Graphic design team -- Designs the templates and finishes the V-cards, errata slips, creates the pdf documents for the CRD, rules, etc.
Design Team -- Designs V-Card sets and themes. Hopefully 3 sets a year.
Playtesting Team -- Works with the design team to playtest V-Sets before they are released. Can be done in playgroups or via SdA, gccg, lackey, etc.
Format Committees--probably a committtee for each format, to insure that cards are refreshing each format and that the formats are balanced.
I propose people can have positions and be in committees too, even in more than one. The important part is that work gets done.
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Jerba,, You worked about out, what I was thinking and on the same moment as well :)
Let's combine them, because you covered the most of them!
And your Rules Wizard, Giver of Council should have a council of referees (Knigth's of Gondor? Sounds a bit better then advocate) as well!
All hail Fishfleas, Steward of GondoR !!! ;) :up:
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Jerba,, You worked about out, what I was thinking and on the same moment as well :)
Let's combine them, because you covered the most of them!
And your Rules Wizard, Giver of Council should have a council of referees (Knigth's of Gondor? Sounds a bit better then advocate) as well!
All hail Fishfleas, Steward of GondoR !!! ;) :up:
Great idea. I think the council of referee's or whatever should consist of the registered tournament directors, lead of course, by the fearless rules wizard. That would be another way in which the players have more direct say in the formats, rules, etc.
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We need a founder, a bursar (fees, prizesupport...) and a secretary, who mails any news to the heads of each country, who mail the received news to their members in their language.
Oh - a wrackspurt!
What do you mean by founder and bursar. It's not quite clear to me...
Suggestions about organization:
Administration:
1. Chairman Fishfleas
2. Secretary Elrohir (to me it seems he speaks at least 4 different languages)
3. Cashier
4. Rulings & Referee’s:
a. Referees
5. Playdevellopment & design
a. Designers
b. Developers
c. Testers
6. Marketing (contact (decipher, Weta, Licenseholders), reaching sponsors and new players)
7. Webhost
a. Moderators
I feel for nr 4 or 5 :) I play since the game released FOTR. Played and organized a lot of tournaments. Participated on EC in 2004. Should have played EC 2005 as well, but was just out of hospital at that moment, recovering from getting an artificial hip.... :'(
Who does not speak at least 4 languages?
Well, actually I am quite surprised that there are really some people spending serious thoughts onto this topic...
...I guess, the best would be to foundate a council and vote for the chairman, etc... we need something like a poll...
...we need to get the right people for the right job/position...
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Olorin,
Others seem to be in favor of me continuing to head this up.
I'm already in the process of speaking to players who would provide some valuable assets to the PC. Some of them are old players that don't really know about this forum. I've been in contact with 1-2 DAgents, and I plan to contact some more. I spoke with an old D Designer today, who told me he may be interested in helping us do this. So yeah, I may be a little tied up with my search to post much of what I want to do atm. However, rest assured I am moving forward. My progress in the last couple days has been very encouraging. I've been able to contact more great candidates than I thought I would. I'll still be looking to have people in this community help too, as you guys are the reason I even came back to this project.
What could I use from you guys?
Well I dont' know all of you that well, so if you send me a PM with information about you or things you are good at, then that would be a great help. I'm still looking for a good rules guy. Bibfortuna was at the top of my list back in the day, but I have no clue if he is even around anymore.
Keep the discussions hopping, and we will get this off the ground.
Do remember though that even if we do this, the first V set may be a ways off. It's going to take some time to go through all the stages of development and then testing.
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Actually, I don't... I just speak 2 languages: Dutch and English
I Understand German, but didn't speak it in 23 years.....
Anyway, It's just that someone takes the lead in this. So, you might be suprised, but just let's get going!!
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I'll be a playtester.
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Lurtzy,
PLaytesting is something I"m still figuring out the best way to do it. We'll need people I know I can trust, and people that can voice concerns on issues. Having players that are EXTREMELY good would really help, but we'll be ultimately be working with what we have. I can't say yes or no of yet on whether you can be a playtester, because we still have alot of things to work on before we get to that point. However, your request is noted, and it is something we'll definately need some help with. Thanks.
Just dont' get dissapointed if you aren't contacted anytime soon. We will need to discuss it in the council, and we will probably be making those selections later on in the process. It will most likely be Months before we have anything to playtest.
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I hate to bring this back up, but I recently heard from someone in the know that the reason the original PC never got off the ground was because of New Line Cinema and one Peter Jackson.
If you think they won't shut down anything labeled as a PC as soon as they hear about it, you've got another thing comin'. That said, feel free to get a plan together, but you better be #$&*@! sure it's complete before you submit it to any of the involved parties, and even then, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a positive response.
I think the best bet is just to organize whatever kind of events you want, hosted wherever you want, and advertise the heck out of them anywhere you can. Right here at TLHH seems like a fine place to do that - maybe a new forum would be in order?
So...who's going to run the GenCon Series? ComicCon Series? Essen Spiel Series? Wizard World Series? DragonCon Series? Nobody says we can't organize State and National Championships - with over two month's notice, I don't see why you can't call that tournament in Kansas a State Championship. Running World Championships might be a stretch until more players know about this site, but hey, why not?
Showing an active player base is absolutely the BEST way to demonstrate the need for a PC to those who might otherwise be dubious.
Just a few ideas, take them for what they're worth.
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For what it's worth, I'm still working on this Committee. I've had to take a couple weeks to focus on my work , as we're doing some construction. However, it will be done next week. I have been given access to a forum to allow PC members to chat and develop ideas. I just need to make sure everything is working ok. I look forward to working with those that would like to be involved in the process. It's going to be a group effort, and I appreciate the feedback and enthusiasm.
,Fish
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Great! Can't wait!
Yes I know... Have to practice patience :)
By the way would it be a nice idea to pick a weekend in July in the center of the world (read 2 klaveren in Amsterdam) to install this PC Officially and celebrate it with a whole weekend of lotr :) ?
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What's the status.. anyone knows?