The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Bag End => Topic started by: Smeagollum on April 14, 2009, 05:29:11 AM
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.. Or tried to play this?
Raider sitecontrol-Archery
In the old days I tried it once, but somehow it didn't workout that well. If I remember correctly it was to difficult to get a site controlled with the 3 minions which allows you to take control of a site. But never tried it after set 6 was released. Maybe it does work with Seasoned Leader...
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it is just, that everything else works better...it is nice, but no more,,,normal raider archery or raider mumaks are way stronger.
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dito: it costs to much TW and isn't effective in anyway. playing raider sitecontrol is as useful as playing mono [Gollum] swarm. raider archery and/or direct damange is way better, although they aren't one of the best shadows either.
desert lord, seasoned leader, whirling strike, red wrath, castimir, raider bow... really nice stuff. and don't forget fierce in despair!
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playing raider sitecontrol is as useful as playing mono [Gollum] swarm.
LOL
Too much effort to make it work
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I know :( But somehow I want it to like it and to work... Somehow I would like it to use only raiders and then on site 9 generate 9 x 4 archery.... That should kill don't you think?
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Your options are very limited. You have only 3 ways to control sites with Raiders. 1 of them is very pricey (8), the other is avarage priced, with reasonable statts and the third is cheap, but weak. Also you need to have quite some twilight to pull it off. Therefor it is unlikely to control many sites, and the question remains whether you can wait that long for your archers to join the party....
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wait, how do you use the sites to get so much archery?
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just play the siege troop if you really want this badly. that makes site control in every deck... ;)
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southron archer is an archer and if you spot another southron +1 for each site you control. But if your opponent is walking to site 9, you can be at site 8, so you can control a maximum of 7 sites. So theoretically you can maximum add 8x4= 32 archery...still nice :D
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I've tried such a deck in the past. With [Raiders] only. It never worked, as the guys said before the options to control sites are limited and twilight expensive or weak (I'm talking about expanded though, I've not tried it in other formats). Mumaks can be very effective with lots of damage and also archery works very effectively with minions such as Southron Archer Legion and •Haradrim Marksman.
I remember once I had fired about 20 arrows with these minons in play and anduin banks \:D/
Poor teolixx was playing with 9 companions and I was generous with threats from the very begining which, finally, did their work 8-)
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I also did a deck like that, which also never worked. Eventually, I tossed in 2x Southron Archer Legion, 2x Regiment of Haradrim, 2x Army of Haradrim, and more importantly 2x Ships of Great Draught. The idea was, if I couldn't the stupid thing to work, why not discard everything with SoGD? Actually, it worked better in the end because if my opponent moved on I could get use SoGD to pull 1-2 16 strength minions. Take that! :P (Oh, and I splashed Grimbeorn in the freepeoples side!)
In other words, it's awfully hard to pull off. Someone probably has a working decklist for it, but I can't say it would be the best deck anyway.
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Vroengard is on the right track. If you want to do control + Arch then you will need to run other culturs most likely to do the site controlling. There are some Evil Men Minions that are cheap and control sites easily.... you could do something with them...
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Vroengard is on the right track. If you want to do control + Arch then you will need to run other culturs most likely to do the site controlling. There are some Evil Men Minions that are cheap and control sites easily.... you could do something with them...
I know... but that´s just the thing I don´t want to use any other race...
Build one and tested it and actually it worked out nicely against a dwarvendeck.. I only controlled one site, could have been 2 or even 3..., but already lost 2 southron archer´s.. so it wasn´t that much worth to control a site anymore.. Using seasoned leader helps a lot, especially when you combined it with Regiment of Haradrim . The cheap Soutron explorers maybe not help to control a site, but do help to play Regiment of Haradrim . Also they are nice with a southron bow. It would have been a kill on site 7, but let him escape so that I could reach site 9 :)
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corsair bow anyone?
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Unfortunately that can't be used by the Southron/Raiders. Can't mix the new shadow cultures with the old.
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Unfortunately that can't be used by the Southron/Raiders. Can't mix the new shadow cultures with the old.
i know but people here were talking about men site control to splash in a raider archery deck deck... and this seemed like a great splash card...
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We are talking about Soutron bow perhaps??
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no not at all
what I'm saying is that people (fishfleas) said earlier that splashing [men] is the best site control option for a deck like this. so the corsair bow adds archery and control sites which follows along the lines of what others have been saying.
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no not at all
what I'm saying is that people (fishfleas) said earlier that splashing [men] is the best site control option for a deck like this. so the corsair bow adds archery and control sites which follows along the lines of what others have been saying.
So you mean this is off topic ;)
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whatever if you think so
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they are right. Everything with the new raiders is better, than with the southrons, sadly.
BUT: normal southron archery, even mumak fighters are also very strong
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It´s not the point if something else works better...
What I like to do is to build decks which are, accordenly to others, not playable. Because to my opinion this deck is playable and not that bad. You actually play an archerydeck and if you get some sites you´ll benefit extra archery. Here´s what I´ve in mind
4x •Desert Lancers
3x •Desert Lord
4x Southron Archer
4x •Regiment of Haradrim
4x Southron Explorer
4x Southron Bowman
4x Southron Bow
4x Seasoned Leader
Basicly the idea is to wound as much as possible. Seasoned Leader will be played either on Desrt Lord or on Regiment of the haradrim. On regiment± if the opponent which to prevent him from getting sites by exerting him or wound him during skirmish, manouver or archery+ please be my guest he only will become stronger. Other wise you normaly get 1 and maybe even 2 sites to control. Sothron explorer is in to make Regiment easilier playable. Desert lancers.. well if it works it works otherwie they are easily to ditch.
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you need some threats, to play Seasoned Leader back...that can help a lot. And where is Southron Explorer in your deck list?
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you need some threats, to play Seasoned Leader back...that can help a lot. And where is Southron Explorer in your deck list?
He was in... but somehow he started exploring somewhere else :o
Playing with threats as well.. I was thinking of that. I could replace the Southron bow for a minion which adds threats.. That actually might even work better... Either
Southron Bandit or Desert Fighter would work. Southron Bandit gives another option. If the freeps decide to add 5 instead of a threat then Explorer becomes interesting... Desert fighterç ost is quite hig; actually to play him and adding a threat cost 4 in total. I think I would go for the bandit.
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you have 8x southron bowman... maybe 4x were sposed to be explorers.
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ah that should be it.. they just took a bow and became Soutron bowman... :lol:
thx ;)