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Title: Hall of our Fathers
Post by: Gil-Estel on October 14, 2009, 01:29:19 AM

I have posted this question also in another topic, but since that is not my topic, I don't want to ruin an other person's topic, I will post it here as well. When exchanging your hand do you lose initiative? Or is there somkind of 'void' in which the action is performed? The reason why I ask it is that you can interchange the order in which you perfom the action I think. First taking the cards from HOOF, and then putting your hand on it, or the other way around. I think it should be done at the same tim...well I don't know.

Title: Re: Hall of our Fathers
Post by: TheJord on October 14, 2009, 02:42:13 AM

Without consulting the rulebook to see if it possibly has an answer, I would say that it does not affect initiative.

Title: Re: Hall of our Fathers
Post by: ket_the_jet on October 14, 2009, 04:07:45 AM

You do not lose the initiative based on the act of "swapping;" however, if you have three or fewer cards on Halls of Our Fathers, or fewer than three cards in hand when you swap, you can gain or lose the initiative that way. Hope that answered everything.
-wtk

Title: Re: Hall of our Fathers
Post by: TheJord on October 14, 2009, 04:51:28 AM

Similarly, I dont feel that Borne Far Away would cause you to lose and gain initiative

Title: Re: Hall of our Fathers
Post by: ket_the_jet on October 14, 2009, 05:13:56 AM

Quote from: TheJord on October 14, 2009, 04:51:28 AM

Similarly, I dont feel that Borne Far Away would cause you to lose and gain initiative

Agreed.
-wtk

Title: Re: Hall of our Fathers
Post by: rubbercarp on October 14, 2009, 07:50:54 AM

Do you loose initiative while reconciling?

Title: Re: Hall of our Fathers
Post by: Kralik on October 14, 2009, 07:59:51 AM

Quote from: rubbercarp on October 14, 2009, 07:50:54 AM

Do you loose initiative while reconciling?

If you discard from 4, yes.
Another good trick is Nenya.
Or muster.

Title: Re: Hall of our Fathers
Post by: Thranduil on October 14, 2009, 08:12:12 AM

I do not know the answer to this question, and I doubt there will be anything specifically useful in the rulebook. However, my instinct would be to agree with ket and Jord in that I don't think that either Hall of Our Fathers nor Borne Far Away cause you to gain and lose initiative in this manner - assume there are 4 or more cards in your hand and on HoOF, in which case at no point do you have less than 4 cards in your hand.

Thranduil

Title: Re: Hall of our Fathers
Post by: ket_the_jet on October 14, 2009, 08:23:14 AM

Conceptually, if you play 5 cards during your fellowship phase, then you can swap those with the eight on Halls of Our Fathers and gain the initiative. Then, the next turn you can swap your new hand with three cards to lose the initiative again.

So in short, it just takes some work.
-wtk