The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Bag End => Topic started by: Chang on October 02, 2009, 12:40:18 PM
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OMG, I never realized there was an arrow on that picture before.
Probably because it is one of the worst shots of any card.
-wtk
worst shot, but a darn useful card.
EDIT - Topic split from the "Worst Lord of the Rings Card Pictures" thread. ~ES
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worst shot, but a darn useful card.
Actually, I have never ran it in any Moria decks. But that's probably because I love Goblin Sneak and They Are Coming so much!
-wtk
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worst shot, but a darn useful card.
Actually, I have never ran it in any Moria decks. But that's probably because I love Goblin Sneak and They Are Coming so much!
-wtk
why use those when you play it for free? discarding 3 cards seems like a huge penalty. id love to hear your strat on those cards.
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why use those when you play it for free? discarding 3 cards seems like a huge penalty. id love to hear your strat on those cards.
http://lotrtcgdb.com/forums/index.php/topic,2796.0.html
There is the deck. Here's my rationale. You can run four copies of Hosts of Thousands (which can actually clog your hand), or you can run four minions.
Now, I run my [Moria] deck with Dwarves, and actually use Preparations a lot differently than other people. I discard cards I don't really need (Aragorn, Ranger of the North is a site 8 speed bump) and then put them on Preparations. With Rest By Blind Night, I can shuffle those cards back into the draw deck late in the game. So They Are Coming is actually a beautiful way to cycle through.
Plus, thanks to Sindri, I can play Battle Tested off of cards like Preparations so it is no problem if I discard them early in the game. And unlike most people who run Dunharrow Plateau, I actually grab Ever My Heart Rises, not Preparations.
Goblin Sneak allows me to recycle my [Moria] minions, and unlike most people, I don't try to just throw out as many minions as I can each site. I work very delicately through site three, then use Anduin Banks* game text to win some skirmishes and stack on Goblin Swarms. I usually play for the overwhelm at site five or six. Site seven if they are running an awfully fantastic choke.
Anyways, They Are Coming is one of the greatest [Moria] commons (right up there with Goblin Scavengers and Goblin Scimitar). This deck has a very good winning percentage, by the way, and is my favorite to play (although my [Gondor] Knights and [Sauron] directed wounding deck is probably my best overall).
Does that explain better?
-wtk
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very cool. i like the way you play it off. i might have to see if i got the stuff to give it a try
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very cool. i like the way you play it off. i might have to see if i got the stuff to give it a try
Thanks man. As for the free peoples, I have non-foil versions of most of them since I am very close to foiling the free people's half. If you don't have Rest By Blind Night, try Restless Axe.
Anyways, it is a very fun deck to play. A lot of people have a hard time understanding why I don't use Gimli, Bearer of Grudges, but you cannot let one copy of Preparations get discarded (you will need to shuffle it back into the draw deck with any early discards).
-wtk
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I never found They Are Coming decks to be as useful as Host Of Thousands/ The Underdeeps Of Moria. its like running 8 copies of a Sneak.
Goblin Armories and Scimitars, of course...1 copy Relics of Moria and some Scavengers...Goblin Runners, and you've got twilight to blow through.
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Relics of Moria isn't movie Block legal.
And TAC is one of the best [moria] cards ever.
-wtk
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TAC has saved my hide a few times, but since I play strict 30/30 decks, I have to be a little more careful with it. it is definantly an interseting idea to use sneaks instead of hosts of a thousand. The only problem see is that hosts pulls a needed minion from your discard pile while sneak puts them back on the bottom of your draw deck, but if your dropping 3 cards every so often to play a minion from your discard pile I can see it working a little better.
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But I get free shuffles with Rest By Blind Night.
-wtk
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HA ha ha, that's great. You could always use the moria card that pulls minions from the bottom of your draw deck. But you'll need a real good twilight engine to pull that off.
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The Underdeeps of Moria. After the shuffles, I can't guarantee cards being there. Rest By Blind Night is one of the most under-rated cards ever.
-wtk
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well, if you used underdeeps you probably shouldn't use rest by blind night
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But...then I have no way of getting my early discards (like Sam, Son of Hamfast or Aragorn, Ranger of the North) back.
-wtk
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oh. good point
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I'm actually kinda surprised at how many people don't like They Are Coming. What do you do when you reconcile after your Free Peoples turn, only to draw into a hand full of FP cards? If you've got a They Are Coming on the table, those FP cards turn into Orcs! Similarly, if you're playing Scavengers and drawing cards with the Scimitars they grab, you could draw into stuff you don't need -- be it an FP card or a duplicate of a Moria condition that you don't need.
Also, there's the whole point about cycling often being a good thing. Sometimes, discarding 3 cards isn't a penalty, it's a blessing!
And as far as Host of Thousands goes, I think it's more suited for Moria Archery, where the goal isn't to just get as many orcs as possible out, but rather to get SPECIFIC orcs out. The crappy thing about Host is that you can draw it when there are no orcs left in your discard pile, either because they've already been played with They Are Coming (or just another copy of Host), or because it's early in the game (site 4) and you have no orcs in your discard pile. If your opponent moves to site 4 with a relatively small fellowship and you've got 5 orcs and 2 Host of Thousands in your hand, you'll be kicking yourself for not using minions instead of those Hosts. The game coulda been over right there!
But like I said, Host of Thousands is great for Moria Archery, 'cause it lets you pull the Moria Archer Troop (or whatever else you may want) repeatedly.
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Also, there's the whole point about cycling often being a good thing. Sometimes, discarding 3 cards isn't a penalty, it's a blessing!
Agree.. They are coming is a must, totally needed in any moria deck. Even if it's not an archer's deck.
Sometimes your opponent, who started, has double-moved so your objective in the game becomes holding on to saving Frodo and just killing with shadow. Then, you discard freeps cards because the point of the game for you now is not to beat the opponent's shadow. (And also ultra handy in site 9, since you no longer need freeps cards).
Also, I´ve had my gandalf killed in a gandalf deck, so it's a pain to have copies of glamdring and narya and his stuff show afterwards. Those can be gladly discarded too for more orcs.
In FOTR, there are few cards that let you unclog your hand against choke decks.
Mainly Nenya, Ottar, Man of Laketown, Gwemegil, Arwen, Elven Rider, Gift of the Evenstar.
IMHO if the freeps can discard conditions and it comes to choosing just one to discard in a shadow's support area I'd rather discard a they are coming than a goblin armory.
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Alazzar pretty much said it. :up:
And though Host of Thousands might not be a staple even in Moria archery, I like to use it exactly to get the Moria Archer Troop back. High-vitality, two points of archery, and discourages a double move. Ah, Brown Lands was a fun site...
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I love the brown lands