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Title: Suffered much loss
Post by: Cw0rk on October 14, 2009, 03:51:42 PM

If I take control of a site and I have Suffered much loss in my support area, is it still considered as a battleground or it isn't because the site is remove from the adventure path and placed in my support area?

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: jdizzy001 on October 14, 2009, 04:01:12 PM

That's a good question, technically if a site is no longer on the adventure path, (and is in your support area because you control it), I think it would lose the keyword granted it from suffered much loss

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: Elrohir on October 14, 2009, 04:27:10 PM

A more common example is as the follow:

Arwen, Staunch Defender and Lost in the woods. <- (all forests you can spot, even those in the FPP support area)!
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(Only those on path)

So, as soon as you take control of a site, it is not on the adventure path anymore. So the answer is: It is not considered to be Battleground.

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: Treebeard13 on October 14, 2009, 08:10:40 PM

Sorry, I'm going to disagree - citing this entry in the Comprehensive Rules 4.0

The game text of a controlled site cannot be used by any player.  Exception: The keywords of a controlled site still apply.  A player may "control a battleground."

Chuck

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: Alazzar on October 14, 2009, 08:18:54 PM

Quote from: Treebeard13 on October 14, 2009, 08:10:40 PM

Sorry, I'm going to disagree - citing this entry in the Comprehensive Rules 4.0

The game text of a controlled site cannot be used by any player.  Exception: The keywords of a controlled site still apply.  A player may "control a battleground."

Chuck

But the wording on Suffered Much Loss says, "Each site on the adventure path is a battleground."  If the site gets controlled, it's no longer on the adventure path, and is thus unaffected by Suffered Much Loss.

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: MuadDib85 on October 14, 2009, 08:34:21 PM

Alazzar is right. Suffered much loss won't work for controlled sites.

But Lost in the woods will work. (assuming you have controlled forests)

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: Treebeard13 on October 14, 2009, 08:37:22 PM

OK, I finally found a definitive reference to whether or not a controlled site in on the adventure path.  CRD August 13, 2007: A controlled site, once played in a player's support area, is no longer a site on the adventure path.  So does that mean if the card were to have said spot X battlefields then do controlled cards count.  The rule I cited earlier would seem to imply that it does.  You are correct in that Suffered Much Loss specifically says adventure path.

Thanks - interesting....
Chuck

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: Kralik on October 15, 2009, 05:51:57 AM

Suffered Much Loss does give the Towers Uruk a definite boost... but it would be too much if it wasn't worded the way it is.

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: MuadDib85 on October 15, 2009, 06:03:09 AM

Off topic: I use suffered much loss in an evil men deck built around whistling death

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: Elessar's Socks on October 15, 2009, 06:41:35 AM

Quote from: Treebeard13 on October 14, 2009, 08:37:22 PM

So does that mean if the card were to have said spot X battlefields then do controlled cards count.

Should work, with controlled sites being both in play and active (as listed under the "active" entry).

Title: Re: Suffered much loss
Post by: Gate Troll on October 19, 2009, 11:15:20 AM

Quote from: Kralik on October 15, 2009, 05:51:57 AM

Suffered Much Loss does give the Towers Uruk a definite boost... but it would be too much if it wasn't worded the way it is.

And it's totally awesome in a battleground [uruk] deck.