The Last Homely House
General => Council of Cobra => Topic started by: Gate Troll on November 10, 2009, 06:00:53 PM
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As I post, John Allen Muhammad, the man responsible for the DC sniper attacks in 2002 that left 10 dead, is being executed by lethal injection. Wish we'd have more real justice like that here. :up:
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Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Gate Troll? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
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Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Gate Troll? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
I didn't want to get involved, but :gp:
That is all.
-wtk
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Wonderful quote, but a bit out of place. I said nothing about my dispensing justice, rather that I'm glad that justice has been done by those with authority to enforce it. I'm not Timothy Kaine you know. ;)
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Was he the driver, or the shooter?
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Driver. The shooter was a minor.
-wtk
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Ah yes... I remember, the other guy got life in prison.
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Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Gate Troll? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
Witty quote, but with little to do with the topic at hand.
Government is responsible for dealing justice to those who have committed crimes so depraved that they have forfeited their right to life.
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Unbelievable lack of Grace there. You say his particular sins deserve death I say the wages of all sin is death. Capital punishment is not right and I'm very glad that I live in a country that stands against it.
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As a Christian, I wonder how you reconcile this with capital punishment law taught throughout the Torah?
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I dont think thats very valid, as we arent required, as Christians, to sacrifice unblemished lambs either.
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I dont think thats very valid, as we arent required, as Christians, to sacrifice unblemished lambs either.
That's because Christ specifically abolished animal sacrifice. He never abolished capital punishment.
Unbelievable lack of Grace there. You say his particular sins deserve death I say the wages of all sin is death. Capital punishment is not right and I'm very glad that I live in a country that stands against it.
Just because the wages of sin is death does not mean he should escape punishment in this world. If more people were actually executed for murder less murders might occur. The murderer might be a person too, but, as NBarden says, he has forfeited his life by taking another's.
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Let him who is without sin cast the first stone
I honestly don't know my opinion on the death penalty. On the one hand, it gets the burden of taking care of them off the government and I think is a deterrent, and the other hand there is always the risk of killing someone who is innocent, and the whole can a just society condemn someone to death?
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As a Christian, I wonder how you reconcile this with capital punishment law taught throughout the Torah?
And I would counter with another question. Do you then think we should stone women who have adultery? And where Gate Troll does it say which laws Jesus came to abolish and which he didn't. All I see is what Paul says about how we are no longer under the law at all but under grace.
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God gave life and only god can take it away. In murdering a murderer you are playing at being god and had no more right to do so than them in the first place. Even if he does deserve death no human is qualified to make that decision. We are on gods earth at gods grace and mercy. He said thou shall not kill. Full stop. He didnt add "unless they already killed someone else then that makes it ok".
Im slightly hypocritical in my arguement though as I am glad to see some people still put to death in USA because of their crime. But from a moral/ethical and christian perspective it is wrong no matter how you dress justice up.
Sometimes I think "good they got what they deserve" but despite this, I am glad its not practiced in England because its just too messier an issue. And as someone said the possibility they might be innocent is too horrible to conceive. Imagine being on deathrow for something everyone falses believes you did. Yikes.
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God gave life and only god can take it away. In murdering a murderer you are playing at being god and had no more right to do so than them in the first place. Even if he does deserve death no human is qualified to make that decision. We are on gods earth at gods grace and mercy. He said thou shall not kill. Full stop. He didnt add "unless they already killed someone else then that makes it ok".
But from a moral/ethical and christian perspective it is wrong no matter how you dress justice up.
Amen.
Also (off topic but from another thread regarding the execution) to me, the short term gratification of watching an execution would be no more fulfilling than it would be disturbing. Those watching death administered from the confines of a viewing room are merely voyeurs without lotion and tissue. Revenge breeds revenge.
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God gave life and only god can take it away. In murdering a murderer you are playing at being god and had no more right to do so than them in the first place. Even if he does deserve death no human is qualified to make that decision. We are on gods earth at gods grace and mercy. He said thou shall not kill. Full stop. He didnt add "unless they already killed someone else then that makes it ok".
technically its you shall not murder, but you are still killing someone who is no longer a threat to you...
of course this brings up the question of whether there is such a thing as just war. Especially since especially in the first gulf war the battles were practically organized high-tech murder.
Also the question of whether Christians can fight...ah good times. Wheres AD when you need him...
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Christians can fight. I would hope that if someone were to break into your home, threaten your family, freedoms, etc, etc. you would defend yourself. I know I would.
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oh I'm sure I would, the question is if I should ;)
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Well, Christ did tell the disciples to go and buy daggers for their defense. Turn the other cheek only goes so far. Revenge killing is wrong, but self defense is not. ;)
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ah that passage...that one is under heavy debate, and when Peter did use it, he was heavily rebuked.
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ah that passage...that one is under heavy debate, and when Peter did use it, he was heavily rebuked.
whose, debating it? If you don't mind my asking. I didn't know it was under scrutiny.