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Middle-Earth => Archives of Minas Tirith => Topic started by: Cw0rk on January 06, 2010, 10:07:53 PM
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I played vs wtk tonight and we had an argument on Trust me as you once did.
He claimed that "limit +3" means "limit +3 per site".
I claimed that "limit +3" means "limit +3 per skirmish" (ex. I can make Legolas +3, then make Gimli +3).
What is the true meaning of this "limit +3"?
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I played vs wtk tonight and we had an argument on Trust me as you once did.
I would call it a "debate."
I stole from this topic (http://lotrtcgdb.com/forums/index.php/topic,1235.0.html) which I bumped which said:
From the CRD
When a card has a limit, such as "(limit +3)," the limit applies to that card for an entire phase.
Thanks to everyone who can clear this up.
-wtk
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This card appears specifically and it appears I was wrong. That's what I get for trusting TheJord! (Actually, I just misinterpreted TheJord).
Each skirmish phase is a separate phase so the bonus is maximum per phase. This is directly from 4.0:
When a card has a limit, such as “(limit +3),” the limit applies to that card for an entire phase.
Trust Me As You Once Did reads: “Skirmish: Exert Gandalf to make a companion strength +1 for each companion with the Gandalf signet you can spot (limit +3).”
With one copy in play, assuming you have sufficient signets and exertions, during a single skirmish phase:
• You may add +3 to one companion in a single action (if you can spot at least 3 signets).
• You may add +1 to three different companions in three different actions (if you can spot only 1 signet).
• You may add +2 to one companion and +1 to another in two different actions (if you can spot only 2 signets). Once the limit is reached, no more may be added, and the last +1 is ignored.
A limit does not does not span multiple phases.
Trust Me As You Once Did could be used for +3 in each of two or more separate skirmish phases during the same turn.
A limit does not apply to a different copy of the same card.
With two copies of Trust Me As You Once Did in play, you could give up to +6 in strength bonuses during a single skirmish phase (+3 from one copy, and +3 from the other).
Sorry c-work.
-wtk
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No problem. It didn't change anything to our game anyway.
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Limits apply per card per phase. So if you had 4 copies of TMAYOD, you could with 4 exertions make someone strength +12, then theoretically make someone else strength +12 in the next skirmish phase etc.
Thranduil
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Limits apply per card per phase. So if you had 4 copies of TMAYOD, you could with 4 exertions make someone strength +12, then theoretically make someone else strength +12 in the next skirmish phase etc.
Thranduil
I thought this got an errata? That only one copy of the card can be used? I am not sure though, but there has been a change in the past that involved TMAYOD.
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I don't think it got any errata. I'm sure that it works the way I said it does. Only 1 copy of it can be used at one time (which is why you can't get +9 for 1 exertion and 3 copies and 9 companions with the Gandalf signet). Is that what you mean?
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Limits apply per card per phase. So if you had 4 copies of TMAYOD, you could with 4 exertions make someone strength +12, then theoretically make someone else strength +12 in the next skirmish phase etc.
Thranduil
I thought this got an errata? That only one copy of the card can be used? I am not sure though, but there has been a change in the past that involved TMAYOD.
I think the errata they made was simply adding the (limit +3). I'm not sure but I think there was no limit when the card was made.
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I used to own this card and it did indeed have the limit printed.
I think that knowing that each skirmish is a separate skirmish phase clears it up nicely.
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Wait... is it a permanent effect?
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No: "Each phase action lasts for the duration of the phase named in the boldface word (unless otherwise specified)."
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I think that knowing that each skirmish is a separate skirmish phase clears it up nicely.
Yessir-y. That was the mistake I made. Again, apologies to c-work!
-wtk
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There is still one thing I do not understand:
1) I think that knowing that each skirmish is a separate skirmish phase clears it up nicely.
2) (from the CR 4.0): With one copy in play, assuming you have sufficient signets and exertions, during a single skirmish phase:
[...] You may add +1 to three different companions in three different actions (if you can spot only 1 signet) [...].
How is it possible to add +1 to three different companions, since there is a seperate skirmish phase for each companions assigned. Or is it possible to assign multiple companions to one minion (i wouldn't know there is)? As I read the discussion here, the +3 limit just resets for each new skirmish phase (= each companion).
(Sorry for replying to lots of topics recently, but I just discovered this forum after playing again LOTR TCG after a long time with two friends. We startet this (in Germany) in 2002, but stopped pretty soon so we only use cards from the FOTR set and a few Towers Cards. Now we played again and looking through all my cards while building a deck, there are lots of questions. Btw, thank you all for this forum and the DB!)
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while in theory you CAN add 1 to 3 comps (in three actions) this would be dumb. because like you said the limit resets for each skirmish, and having a companion strong during someone else's skirmish doesn't help very much.
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Right, that's what I thought about. Although you made something else clear to me: You can strengthen other companions who aren't in the skirmish. Maybe there are cards who make use of the strength of other companions as a requirement for an effect (e.g., "spot a companion with a strength of 9 or more who is not in a skirmish to cancel a skirmish"). So you could use TMAYOD to make a Boromir strength 9... But actually, i don't think there is something like that :)
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The classic example is making Merry, Friend to Sam stronger before using his ability.
-wtk