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Middle-Earth => Bag End => Topic started by: Smeagollum on February 02, 2010, 06:36:38 AM
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I remember in the the days of tt-block that Decipher had a contest about how strong Smeagol, slinker could become. I remember it was around 1000, but can't remember how this trick was done. Anybody does?
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That was long before I started LotR TCG, so no. :P
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I think it was something with TSC and Sorry about everything and all these events like "when a hobbit heals, remove a burden and thing like that so just push him, heal, remove burdens, heal, remove burdens and Sam, SoH I think.
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I think it was something with TSC and Sorry about everything and all these events like "when a hobbit heals, remove a burden and thing like that so just push him, heal, remove burdens, heal, remove burdens and Sam, SoH I think.
It's sure with scs, but not with the other cards you mentioned, because that are maneuver events and such. If I remember correctly it had something to do with Merry and elven cards.
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Anything that removes burdens during the skirmish phase is what you are looking for.
-wtk
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Anything that removes burdens during the skirmish phase is what you are looking for.
-wtk
Then still I can't come to 1000... I can get to about 250, but that's it. And then also only cards from the first 2 blocks... So any help appreciated!
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well i could push his cumulative strength way over 1000, maybe 5000 if i had the entire game to do so...
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Skirmish healing would be nice for repeated flashes of Sting, Baggins Heirloom.
-wtk
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Off the top of my head:
Frodo, Tired Traveler with The One Ring, Answer to All Riddles
Sting, Baggins Heirloom
There and Back Again
Frodo's Cloak
Phial of Galadriel (which means an [Elven] character in play...presumably Elrond, Herald to Gil-Galad)
Merry, Friend to Sam
Hobbit Sword
Escape
Another four vitality Hobbit companion (Pippin or Sam should do the trick nicely!)
Smeagol, Slinker with four copies of Poor Wretch and Stone Trolls (strength 7/conditional strength 10)
Three [Rohan] characters and four copies of An Honorable Charge
Four copies of The Shire Countryside
Four copies of Sorry About Everything, Stout and Sturdy, Noble Intentions*, Dagger Strike*, Extraordinary Resilience.
One copy of Swiftly and Softly.
Use Swiftly and Softly to keep Merry alive. Everything beyond that is pumping Merry up to ungodly strengths, handing that over to Smeagol, healing Merry, rinse, and repeat. Add burdens and remove them and exert Frodo and heal Frodo and Merry.
-wtk
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On record, between Merry and a Sword, There and Back Again, four An Honorable Charge, four Dagger Strike*, and four Noble Intentions* you are looking at a strength 39 Merry. So strength 78 with four exertions (thanks to Escape) and then heal him up with four A Shire Countryside.
Then you have your burdens/exertions with Sting...you should be fine.
-wtk
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4 The Shire Countryside
4 Songs of the Blessed Realm
4 Voice of Nimrodel
and exert to make strenght + cards.
I think thats how they did it.
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Burden for Smeagol, Sorry About Everything with your extra Hobbit (Pippin or Sam), four The Shire Countryside heals Merry four times. So now you are up to strength 87. Repeat four times for strength 407.
Add 11 burdens with Frodo for an additional strength 22. Up to 429.
Exert Frodo 5 times for an additional strength 10. Up to 439.
Discard Frodo's Cloak. Heal Frodo five times (with A Shire Countryside). Use Extraordinary Resilience on one of those burdens to heal Merry, Friend to Sam four times. 9 burdens and is completely healed.
Use Merry, Friend to Sam. Smeagol is strength 517.
Exert Frodo five times. Sting makes Smeagol strength 527. Add two burdens for strength 531.
Use Stout and Sturdy. Use Extraordinary Resilience to remove a burden instead and heal Merry four times. Use Merry to pump Smeagol up to 609. Repeat twice. Smeagol is strength 765.
Add three burdens. Smeagol is strength 771.
Sorry for quadruple posting. 771 is as strong as I could get him, but I'm sure you could pump Merry up even more and make Smeagol even more ridiculously strong. I guess four Hobbit Stealth and four Hobbit Intuition would have been an additional strength 20 for Merry, which in the long run would mean an additional 180 strength. So now you are looking at 951 for Smeagol. That's close enough to your 1000, right?
-wtk
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Hey, c-work's got it!
By the way, Smeagollum, I'd better get a :gp: for all that goddamned math!
Add Gandalf and four Depart Silently for an additional strength 108.
-wtk
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But the real question is... what about with only 8 or (let's be generous) 12 cards in hand?
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4 The Shire Countryside
4 Songs of the Blessed Realm
4 Voice of Nimrodel
and exert to make strenght + cards.
I think thats how they did it.
That's sounds familiar! Together with a Boromir, sod and a The Saga of Elendil on him to pump up Merry
4 The Shire Countryside
4 Songs of the Blessed Realm
4 Voice of Nimrodel
Merry
Boromir, sod
Hobbitsword
Sting, bh
The Saga of Elendil
An Elf (Propably 2: galadriel, Elrond, arwen or Legolas (only first 5 sets)!
There and Back Again
Frodo's Cloak
Phial of Galadriel
4 Poor Wretch
Escape
4 Extraordinary Resilience
I think this must be it. Maybe also 4x Stout and Sturdy.
Please don't forget you only have 8 cards in hand so you can't do all the tricks and maneuver events to remove a burden won't help as you want to remove burdens in the skirmish!
Still :gp: for all of you. I'm not very good in maths so maybe somebody can count it out?!
You're rightKralik about the 8 cards. Propably Elrond (with Vilya) was used so you would have 4 extra cards.
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I hate to bring this back, but shame on me for forgetting Boromir, Son of Denethor!
-wtk
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;) No worries.. Shame on me that I'm not very good in counting;)
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And how about Faramir Wizard's Pupil? To gether with Boromir he can be another strength adder to our friendly friend Smeagol
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And how about Faramir Wizard's Pupil? To gether with Boromir he can be another strength adder to our friendly friend Smeagol
Well... I made reference to a contest Decipher made when bohd was released, so only the first 5 sets count and Fwp was not released then yet. But sure in Movieblock you can bring it up to a higher level. So Next question wha'ts the highest Smeagol can become in movie? and yeah, I'm lazy;)
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hmm i'm not going to calculate BUT here's what would .should be used
Hand
Voice Of The Nimrodel x4
Extraordinary Resilience x4
Companions
Smeagol, Slinker
Boromir, Son Of Denethor
Faramir, Wizards Pupil
Merry, Friend To Sam
2, 3 vitality elven companions (arwen/legolas, legolas/haldir, haldir/arwen, the list is endless)
Possessions
Frodo's Cloak
Hobbit Sword
Sting, Baggins Heirloom
Phail Of Galadriel
Conditions
There And Back Again
The Saga Of Elendil
Poor Wretch x4
Escape
A Light In His Mind
Exert and add as much strength as possible to merry, then transfer the strength to smeagol, play voice of th nimrodel, heal and remove burdens and so on and so forth, a light in his mind is a free heal. wizards pupil boosts it even more... with 2 elven companions you wouldn't have to heal them.
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I think you forget 11 cards ;)
4 Everyone Knows
Ent Draught
1 ent (Any ent from mb)
Horn of the Mark
4 Horn of the Mark
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Everyone Knows doesn't factor into the strength bonus for Merry, Friend to Sam. Well, you would only get the bonus for the vitality he has left after exerting.
-wtk
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Everyone Knows doesn't factor into the strength bonus for Merry, Friend to Sam. Well, you would only get the bonus for the vitality he has left after exerting.
-wtk
That's why Ent Draught is in: He get's 6 vitality.. so after exerting him twice you still have 4 vitality ;)
Think you forgot that..?
Also Voice of Nimrodel also works on Elven Ally's So I would suggest ally's instead of comps. And Elrond + Vilya for sure to get 4 extra cards in your hand.
Then also 4x NFFATROD
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Horn of the Mark
4 Horn of the Mark
What is this supposed to mean?
It is worth noting with initiative abuse that So Fair, So Desperate would be devastating!
-wtk
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Companions:
Frodo, Resolute Hobbit with The One Ring, Answer to All Riddles
Sting, Baggins Heirloom
There and Back Again
Frodo's Cloak
Phial of Galadriel
Ent Draught
Merry, Friend to Sam
Hobbit Sword
Horn of the Mark
Escape
Ent Draught
Everyone Knows x4
Sam, Nice Sensible Hobbit
Smeagol, Slinker
Four copies of Poor Wretch
Stone Trolls
Boromir, Son of Denethor
The Saga of Elendil
Narsil, Blade of the Faithful
Ent Draught
Faramir, Wizard's Pupil
Ent Draught
Gandalf, the Grey Pilgrim
Support Area:
Goldberry, River-Daughter
Treebeard, Oldest Living Thing
Elrond, Herald to Gil-Galad
Hlafwine, Village Farmhand
Deor
Leowyn
Four copies of The Shire Countryside
Four copies of Songs of the Blessed Realm
Four copies of Longbottom Leaf
Four copies of Old Toby
One copy of A Light In His Mind
One copy of The Tale of the Great Ring
Hand:
Four copies of Sorry About Everything, Stout and Sturdy, Noble Intentions*, Dagger Strike*, Extraordinary Resilience, An Honorable Charge, So Fair, So Desperate, Depart Silently, Voice of Nimrodel, Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom, A Marvel, one copy of Swiftly and Softly.
-wtk
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Horn of the Mark
4 Horn of the Mark
What is this supposed to mean?
It is worth noting with initiative abuse that So Fair, So Desperate would be devastating!
-wtk
Wrong copy paste.. should be 4x Songs of the Blessed Realm.
And yeah Narsil.. Forgot that one. On Boromir ofcourse!
But sure that card you mentioned would add about 8 strength if you would play it this way. Not sure what would give more power. Other way is not to play it with the elven cards (except for Elrond + Vilya to get 4 extra cards), but do it via Nffatrod + the card you mentioned, but then you need to loose innitiative and with 12 cards that will happen, but I'm not sure if it would be enough.. you can only do it 2 times.. I think.
I would use: Elrond, Lord of Rivendell
Uhm... You can only have 12 cards in hand max... A little to much events I'm afraid. I think I would go for the elven variant and not the innitiative. Don't need the rohan allies in that case. Also I don't think the pipeweeds are needed.
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Elrond, Lord of Rivendell is X-ed in Movie Block.
-wtk
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I know... then we need another way to get 4 extra cards and they can't be events....
Frodo, Resolute Hobbit with The One Ring, Answer to All Riddles
Sting, Baggins Heirloom
There and Back Again
Frodo's Cloak
Phial of Galadriel
Merry, Friend to Sam
Hobbit Sword
Horn of the Mark
Escape
Ent Draught
Everyone Knows x4
Smeagol, Slinker
Poor Wretch x4
Boromir, Son of Denethor
The Saga of Elendil
Narsil, Blade of the Faithful
Ent Draught
Faramir, Wizard's Pupil
Gandalf, the Grey Pilgrim
Support Area:
Treebeard, Oldest Living Thing
Elrond
Vilya
The Shire Countryside x4
Songs of the Blessed Realm x4
A Light In His Mind
Hand:
Stout and Sturdy x4
Extraordinary Resilience x4
Voice of Nimrodel x4
Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom x4
If we can only get till 8/9 cards then we can do less events but Voice of Nimrodel x4 &
Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom x4 for sure..
I think 4 events should go out and that a very fast Shadow is needed :o
Actually we forgeting 2 cards...
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Goldberry, River-daughter
Tom Bombadil, The Master
And the I thought of...... Master Proudfoot, Distant Relative of Bilbo
I think we should go back to 13 events:
Extraordinary Resilience x4
Voice of Nimrodel x4
Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom x4
Stout and Sturdy
plus Pippin, Wearer of Black and Silver to loose innitiative twice!
Then it would be 54...
Anybody any thoughts which shadow would make this workable ;D ;)