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Middle-Earth => Archives of Minas Tirith => Topic started by: Gerontius on April 08, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
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Just a quick question about Olog-Hai of Mordor. If he wins the first skirmish and I play a besieger from a site, does that minion participate in one or two skirmishes? What if the Olog-Hai wins its second skirmish too?
On a similar note, where's the official ruling on Above the Battlement? Because I still think I should be allowed to play a besieger from I site I control to play a [Sauron] orc from my draw deck. :)
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For Olog-Hai, all minions he plays can only participate in fierce skirmishes. The regular assignment phase is already past. Lots of [Dunlend] Men use the same mechanic.
Above the Battlement: Yes, you can play a besieger from a site you control to play another one from your discard pile.
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For Olog-Hai of Mordor and the like, it's like this:
Suppose there are two minions, Olog-Hai of Mordor and Gorgoroth Looter, and two companions, Frodo and Aragorn, HoE.
Assignment Phase: There are two minions: Olog-Hai of Mordor and Gorgoroth Looter. The Free Peoples player assigns Olog-Hai of Mordor to Aragorn and Gorgoroth Looter to Frodo.
Aragorn's Skirmish (assigned to Olog-Hai of Mordor): Olog-Hai of Mordor wins, Aragorn takes a wound, and the Shadow player plays Gorgoroth Troop from a site.
Frodo's Skirmish (assigned to Gorgoroth Looter): Gorgoroth Looter wins and Frodo takes a wound.
Note that Gorgoroth Troop isn't in either of these skirmishes because he never got a chance to be assigned during the assignment phase.
Fierce Assignment Phase: There are two fierce minions: Olog-Hai of Mordor and Gorgoroth Troop. The Free Peoples Player assigns both of them to Aragorn, HoE (since he's defender +1).
Aragorn's Skirmish (assigned to Olog-Hai of Mordor and Gorgoroth Troop): Aragorn is overwhelmed and placed in the dead pile, and the Shadow player plays Gorgoroth Swarm from a site.
Regroup: Neither player has any regroup actions, the Free Peoples player chooses not to move on (since he only has Frodo against 4 minions totaling 53 strength), and the minions are discarded.
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So the fierce assignment phase is separate? Thanks, that explains a lot.
Above the Battlement: Yes, you can play a besieger from a site you control to play another one from your discard pile.
Really? I looked at the notes for that card in the database, and they seem to suggest otherwise. You'll notice that I asked where was the official ruling; I was just wondering what you had gotten those notes from.
And thanks Sam, for your incredibly detailed reply. :up:
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Ah! I should pay attention to my own notes. That's a clarification from Decipher themselves (CRD), so I guess my understanding was wrong. :P
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No kralik, you were right originally, it's in the wording. "Play a bieseger stacked on a site you control or remove a burden to play a [SAURON] Orc from your discard pile." In order to get the minion from your draw deck you must either remove a burden or play a besieger from a site you control. The cost is playing a besieger or removing a burden, the effect is playing a [Sauron] minion from your discard pile.
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The Comprehensive Rulebook makes it clear where to parse the game text:
When you play this card you must choose one of the following actions: (1) play a besieger stacked on a site you control; or (2) remove a burden to play a [Sauron] Orc from your discard pile.
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ES (EA :P) is right -- the notes on the card page are per Decipher, so they cleared it up themselves by indicating the original intention.
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Darn it- Kralik had my hopes up for a minute there! ;D
That's two deck ideas gone in one thread.