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Title: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: Faelach on April 30, 2010, 11:45:03 AM
Hey All,

I am interested in knowing what each of you think is the most over powered card ever printed.  Feel free to share any number of cards if you want.

IMO, Namarie certainly fits the bill for me.  Galadriel, Lady Redeemed even has more of a cost than that does and it's a flippin' Uncommon!
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: simplegarak on April 30, 2010, 11:50:16 AM
Hey All,

I am interested in knowing what each of you think is the most over powered card ever printed.  Feel free to share any number of cards if you want.

IMO, Namarie certainly fits the bill for me.  Galadriel, Lady Redeemed even has more of a cost than that does and it's a flippin' Uncommon!

Mordor Fiend if all things being open.

If you want to go by "cards as they were originally printed" then We Must go Warily or the Faithful Stone.

Otherwise, no contest (http://natewinchester.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/lotrtcg-10-most-broken-cards/): Lady Redeemed.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: Marcoliboar on April 30, 2010, 02:56:16 PM
well i play only movie, so il speak for the movie block.

how about elves?

they have archery, condition removal, healing, site liberation, they are strong in skirmish ->CIRDAN<- , Glorfindel, Gil-Galad, Queen of Elves and Man.

and all that without Lady Redeemed, and in one type of deck!

corsairs?

Castamir with 7 14 4, enduring, fierce, and token adding.

just compare him with Lurzt, or Witchking...

and all that support area conditions, and every minion adding tokens on it with cost being to discard a free peoples possession or something like that...

well thats an old debate  ;D
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: legolas3333 on April 30, 2010, 03:16:47 PM
Steadfast Champion
Madril, Defender Of Osgiliath
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: Marcoliboar on April 30, 2010, 03:18:04 PM
Steadfast Champion
Madril, Defender Of Osgiliath


both banned XD
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: Cw0rk on April 30, 2010, 03:39:36 PM
There is a difference between an overpowered card and a card that becomes overpowered due to a loop.

Galadriel, LR is the most OP card.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: Mythdracon on April 30, 2010, 04:02:05 PM
If Galadriel couldn't start in the starting fellowship and if she had to exert and remove an Elven skirmish event from hand, I think she'd be a lot more balanced.

Personally I hate Grond (the Orkish version) and Faithful Stone. Namarie is certainly OP too.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: MuadDib85 on April 30, 2010, 06:22:01 PM
Namarie, Galadriel, LR, Ithilien Blade, Castamir of Umbar, Mountain troll, Grimbeorn, Prized Lagan, The Faithful Stone, Orophin, Silvan Elf, Rumil, Silvan Elf.

I will probably think of more, this is a good start though.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: simplegarak on April 30, 2010, 06:38:22 PM
Namarie, Galadriel, LR, Ithilien Blade, Castamir of Umbar, Mountain troll, Grimbeorn, Prized Lagan, The Faithful Stone, Orophin, Silvan Elf, Rumil, Silvan Elf.

I will probably think of more, this is a good start though.

I won't argue with any of those but what combos and set ups have been used to break Mt Troll?

Rumil and Orophin (always read him as Orphan) are funny when you consider that even Decipher complained about how powerful Greenleaf was.

Grimbeorn I don't think was THAT bad until his axe (http://lotrtcgdb.com/pages/LOTR18018.html) released.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: MuadDib85 on April 30, 2010, 06:41:44 PM
what combos and set ups have been used to break Mt Troll?
Here is my OP Mountain Troll deck:

http://lotrtcgdb.com/forums/index.php/topic,4177.0.html
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: TheJord on April 30, 2010, 08:12:12 PM
Mountain Troll was broken by Lurker exerts using Rallying Orc, Demoralized and Mountain Troll

Rallying Orc, Lurker, Lurker, Lurker, Lurker... discard them for a free fierce Mountain Troll and then use his ability to play them all back. Demoralised keeps the twilight up and the FP gets totally exhausted, facing a swarm.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: simplegarak on April 30, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
Mountain Troll was broken by Lurker exerts using Rallying Orc, Demoralized and Mountain Troll

Rallying Orc, Lurker, Lurker, Lurker, Lurker... discard them for a free fierce Mountain Troll and then use his ability to play them all back. Demoralised keeps the twilight up and the FP gets totally exhausted, facing a swarm.

Wow that is... that is sick.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: legolas3333 on May 01, 2010, 01:31:53 AM
Ithilien blade is not overpowered, Madril made it overpowered because he made it so easy to make them roaming in maneuver, other then madril, the only maneuver roaming cards are fortifications and gondorian merchant
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: TheJord on May 01, 2010, 03:22:36 AM
Madril, DoO, Ithilien Blade and Aragorn's Bow, Rangers Longbow was what broke that card.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: Waldron_man on May 01, 2010, 07:46:44 AM
I just read the linked "10 most broken cards" with interest, because I just got Ulaire this week in a Shadows starter box.  Please explain the problem with Ulaire Nelya – 3rd of the 9 riders & Courtyard Parapet.  How could  the minion cause the site to be used again & again, if the minion's game text reads: "... from your adventure deck" (not path).  Could you have multiple copies of the same site in your deck?  And what of the site's game text "When the fellowship moves to..." (not when the fellowship suddenly finds themselves here)?  Seems benign, so I must be missing something.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: simplegarak on May 01, 2010, 07:55:44 AM
I just read the linked "10 most broken cards" with interest, because I just got Ulaire this week in a Shadows starter box.  Please explain the problem with Ulaire Nelya – 3rd of the 9 riders & Courtyard Parapet.  How could  the minion cause the site to be used again & again, if the minion's game text reads: "... from your adventure deck" (not path).  Could you have multiple copies of the same site in your deck?  And what of the site's game text "When the fellowship moves to..." (not when the fellowship suddenly finds themselves here)?  Seems benign, so I must be missing something.

Thanks!

Here's the method:
Opponent is moving, you play courtyard parapet (add a burden).
Drop Nelya, replace courtyard parapet with a site from your adventure deck.
Wait for opponent to move again.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: Waldron_man on May 01, 2010, 08:26:11 AM
Got it, thanks.  Not an instant corruption, as hinted in the article, but scary nonetheless.

My less-diabolical thought was to use Nelya's ability to play forest sites.  That's about all you can do in the starter he comes in, BTW.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: legolas3333 on May 01, 2010, 08:45:39 AM
The Shire Countryside

sorry i just cannot stand having 3-4 wounds healed in 3 phases
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: MuadDib85 on May 02, 2010, 05:21:05 PM
Ithilien blade is not overpowered
I think it is. Two exerts to discard The Balrog or Sauron is OP.

Mountain Troll was broken by Lurker exerts using Rallying Orc, Demoralized and Mountain Troll

Rallying Orc, Lurker, Lurker, Lurker, Lurker... discard them for a free fierce Mountain Troll and then use his ability to play them all back. Demoralised keeps the twilight up and the FP gets totally exhausted, facing a swarm.
Which is what got Demoralised banned. Mountain Troll can still be severely OP without Demoralised Lurkers.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: simplegarak on May 02, 2010, 06:27:55 PM
Which is what got Demoralised banned. Mountain Troll can still be severely OP without Demoralised Lurkers.

That's kind of my standard for how OP is a card.  Namely, is there any cards (and how many) that could be removed to balance it out.

Lady Redeemed: the only way you could bring her under control would be to ban every [Elven] event.  She's OP.

The Faithful Stone (at least the way it was originally worded) there's like... no cards you could ban to bring it under control.  It's OP.

Steadfast Champion?  There's only like one or two cards that "break" it.  It's not OP, the combo is.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: King89 on May 03, 2010, 07:11:55 AM
namarie + gil-galad, hkotn

other cards are maybe over-powered, but these above are highly broken. oh, ofcourse open format is broken too.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: MR. Lurtzy on May 03, 2010, 06:20:22 PM
Cirdan is borderline, but so are a lot of !Mount Doom cards.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: MR. Lurtzy on May 03, 2010, 06:23:59 PM
No, I've seen you do that one a thousand times already.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: Cw0rk on May 03, 2010, 06:36:07 PM
Steadfast Champion is not overpowered. What is overpowered is its loop with Treebeard.
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: legolas3333 on May 04, 2010, 04:12:20 AM
Cirdan is borderline, but so are a lot of !Mount Doom cards.

and lots of Sige Of Gondor cards, those two sets (and reflections) started the power curve
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: King89 on May 04, 2010, 12:04:31 PM
aren't we talking about over-powered cards and not about "strong ones"?! ;)
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: Elessar's Socks on May 04, 2010, 12:08:15 PM
The Uruk Shaman loop FTW. It's as powerful as you want it to be. :P
Title: Re: Most Over Powered Cards of All Time
Post by: legolas3333 on May 04, 2010, 12:42:58 PM
The Uruk Shaman loop FTW. It's as powerful as you want it to be. :P

which loop is that?