The Last Homely House
General => Council of Cobra => Topic started by: legolas3333 on May 14, 2010, 08:33:43 AM
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Ok, this is getting annoying I have played people who don't understand the "because I have only 1 shire event in my discard pile I can grab it with birthday present," and I get it cause it is kinda a weird ruling, but this is ridiculous, I played a guy today who thought that he could use tower of barud-dur, orc inquisitor and the like, even though I had Frodo, CH, THE WORDING IS RIGHT THERE ON THE CARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lost cause he discarded like 15 cards with desperate measures when I was at 8 then he tripled past me to 9. A related annoyance is guys playing the old text for Thor's Map and We Must Go Warily, making me add a burden when playing my solo smeagol deck, I've lost two games from people thinking that I can't spot an exhausted gondor wraith with elessar's edict. GAH!!!!
anyone else have horror stories like me or is it because I play with the wrong people?
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personaly i dont like the ruling regarding Birthday Present (10R104), its just WRONG!
but Frodo, CH, just like you said, the rule is ON THE CARD. you should quit the game..
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The Birthday Present ruling isn't WRONG... you do as much as possible after paying the cost of a burden. Perhaps it should have been worded differently if it wasn't meant to be so... exploitable. ;)
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Tell them to use CTRL + H over those cards... it shows errata for Thror's Map. I don't know if it does the same for Elessar's Edict. I know that someone tried to discard my Sword of Dol Guldur when I won the skirmish with Ulaire Toldea, Winged Sentry. (love that combo) CTRL + H helped ;)
As for the Birthday Present, first time I saw that done was when Kralik did in one his "wild" decks ;)
He said it can be done and Kralik is Kralik ;)
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He said it can be done and Kralik is Kralik ;)
Per Decipher's own errata, not my word! :lol:
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In kraliks hands birthday present is the second coming of steadfast champion
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So i understand the correctly. Add 2 burdens to pull 2 different cards from discard pile. Opponent chooses one to discard, and you keep the other. The problem is that the player is only pulling 1 card because they only have 1, correct? What is the problem i am missing? Are they only pulling one card? If they only pull one card, cant you discard it? Can we be a little more detailed as to the source of the distress?
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So i understand the correctly. Add 2 burdens to pull 2 different cards from discard pile. Opponent chooses one to discard, and you keep the other. The problem is that the player is only pulling 1 card because they only have 1, correct? What is the problem i am missing? Are they only pulling one card? If they only pull one card, cant you discard it? Can we be a little more detailed as to the source of the distress?
Add 1 burden ... take two shire events from discard pile with different titles (if there is not two take as many as you can). Opponent chooses one for you to put in hand (presumably the other goes back to discard pile rather than remain lost in the space betwen because the card doesn't tell you what to do with the other - there is probably a rule on this?).
So - design a deck with only ONE shire event, and you always get back the card you want as no other shire event will ever hit the discard pile. Clever and potentially broken if the shire event removes more than one burden. Although it is a condition - so there are solutions for the opponent.
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Add one burden to pull a single card as there is no other [Shire] event in the deck. One day I'll add Decipher's clarification to the database, from the August 9, 2005 CRD:
Quote:
If the Free Peoples player has only 1 event (or up
to 4 copies of the same event, but no other [Shire]
events) in his or her discard pile, that event is
taken into hand.
I combo with my deadly Durin's Secret Dear Friends deck and another TSC / SaE / NFFatRoD deck (in the latter, 3 copies of the last two events).
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(presumably the other goes back to discard pile rather than remain lost in the space betwen because the card doesn't tell you what to do with the other - there is probably a rule on this?).
It was never actually removed from discard, just "spotted" so to speak in discard.
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Birthday Present is ridiculous. I think that there should be a gentlemen's agreement of not using Birthday Present when there is only one card in the discard pile, or not using it at all.
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Kralik: I'm still waiting to play you and your secret society of dear friends :)
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Birthday Present is ridiculous. I think that there should be a gentlemen's agreement of not using Birthday Present when there is only one card in the discard pile, or not using it at all.
Along with a gentleman's agreement of not using Cirdan when there are > 2 Elvents in discard... ;)
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Sorry clock, but I disagree with you. There are way worse cards then Birthday Present, Cirdan being one of them.
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Well technically there was never an end to the power creep but I agree with you