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Middle-Earth => Bag End => Topic started by: Snazzy on June 20, 2010, 01:22:25 PM

Title: Plothole with Bilbo
Post by: Snazzy on June 20, 2010, 01:22:25 PM

     Although Bilbo typically has 8 resistance, I think he should have more if you want to be consistent with the book. I do not complain, I'm just being nerdy. I make these assumptions  in my calculations

•	Bilbo takes 1 or 2 burdens every 10 years.
•	Bilbo took 1 to 3 burdens in The Hobbit (he did not get very close to Mordor).
•	Only characters with 7+ resistance can give up the ring. Gandalf did not take the ring when he had the chance, where Isildor did.

    Hence, if Bilbo took only 1 burden during The Hobbit (he used The Ring a few times and most likely got to like it) and 1 every 10 years for 60 years until he gave it to Frodo, (a total of 7 burdens), he must of had 14+ resistance! Of course that is a lot of resistance, so they would have to disadvantage the Bilbo Ring-Bearer somehow. Any non Ring-Bearer Bilbo would appear after he gave away The Ring, so 8 resistance would do in these cases. Do you agree?

Title: Re: Plothole with Bilbo
Post by: ket_the_jet on June 20, 2010, 01:28:54 PM

No, and it's not a plot hole. There is nothing plot-wise to the card game.

I think Bilbo is fine where he is. He's right between Frodo and Sam.
-wtk

Title: Re: Plothole with Bilbo
Post by: Snazzy on June 20, 2010, 01:36:32 PM

Quote from: ket_the_jet on June 20, 2010, 01:28:54 PM

No, and it's not a plot hole. There is nothing plot-wise to the card game.

I think Bilbo is fine where he is. He's right between Frodo and Sam.
-wtk

     Yes, it does work kin of well for the game, but I'm only talking about being like the book. Well, maybe if Bilbo is going to be a R+ Ring-Bearer with 3 Strength, he should be at least better than most Frodo's somehow.

Title: Re: Plothole with Bilbo
Post by: MR. Lurtzy on June 20, 2010, 01:45:22 PM

I don't think that in the books, it was ever said that Bilbo had more resistance than Frodo.

Title: Re: Plothole with Bilbo
Post by: ket_the_jet on June 20, 2010, 01:49:54 PM

In fact, I don't think Bilbo was more resistant. The numbers you created were arbitrary because the Ring had a greater effect based upon the volatility of the environment it was in. The ring was just a trinket until the Nine were released to look for it, and even that took a few years before it really started being a problem for Frodo.

I don't think constitution is a measurable stat outside of the purposes of a trading card game. But in general, Elves had the highest constitution, followed by Hobbits, then Dwarves, then Men.

Congrats on your 2450th post, Lurtzy. I got mine earlier today.
-wtk

Title: Re: Plothole with Bilbo
Post by: MR. Lurtzy on June 20, 2010, 02:05:25 PM

Quote from: ket_the_jet on June 20, 2010, 01:49:54 PM

I don't think constitution is a measurable stat outside of the purposes of a trading card game. But in general, Elves had the highest constitution, followed by Hobbits, then Dwarves, then Men.

Bit offtopic, but I think it was implied in the books that Dwarves could not be corrupted, but only seduced by greed.

Title: Re: Plothole with Bilbo
Post by: ket_the_jet on June 20, 2010, 02:13:45 PM

Yeah, that's why I went with constitution rather than resistance. I think constitution is more universal.
-wtk

Title: Re: Plothole with Bilbo
Post by: Kev-La on July 14, 2010, 01:53:33 AM

Quote from: ket_the_jet on June 20, 2010, 01:28:54 PM

No, and it's not a plot hole...

:lol: