Indeed, each culture has their own gimmick.
This would be the TLHH version of Movie Block right? Because as far as I'm concerned no one can change any offical format.
Right then. Let's here some more feedback on whether LR should be removed from Movie block.I agree that LR, as printed, should not be allowed. It would need to changed before allowing it back.
Castamir of Umbar is OP with or without LR. I don't see taking LR away as really changing that much.
But that's the point. LR goes in almost any deck. Castamir only goes in Corsairs. This is one of the major reasons that I think LR is OP while Castamir is not.Castamir of Umbar is OP with or without LR. I don't see taking LR away as really changing that much.
But you don't play castamir of Umbar much besides a Corsair Deck, do you? And LR just roasts Corsairs.
But that's the point. LR goes in almost any deck. Castamir only goes in Corsairs. This is one of the major reasons that I think LR is OP while Castamir is not.Castamir of Umbar is OP with or without LR. I don't see taking LR away as really changing that much.
But you don't play castamir of Umbar much besides a Corsair Deck, do you? And LR just roasts Corsairs.
Thran
Therefore I personally am in favor of an errata to Galadriel, not an outright ban. I want cultural reinforcement and a harsher cost for her ability, but I still want playability. Decipher's designers were mortals such as ourselves, not gods in whose footsteps we should fear to tread. Let us recreate Galadriel LR in our own image, as the TLHH player community, and realize a better, more balanced game.
Tbiesty's errata would do it, I guess. Have you tested removing all the starting fellowship cost and requiring just one exertion? That would be my first guess at "balance".
With the ability to heal her with cards like Elrond, Venerable Lord or Shadow Between, requiring just one exertion didn't require enough "investment", and still allowed her to be easily used multiple times. Two exertions fit the bill nicely, plus making it easier for the Shadow player to prevent her from using her ability. Changing the starting cost to just -1, allowed you to still start her in an elf-centered deck, but now only with help from one other elf, so she might have to actually fight.There is an opportunity cost associated with using cards like Elrond, Venerable Lord and Shadow Between to heal her just like there is an opportunity cost for players who would use 4 copies of her if her cost reduction is removed. Even one exertion creates wounds (and a need for healing) where there were none before, thus preventing the player from healing other key companions that they might have when using pre-errata Lady Redeemed.
Hope that helps.
With the ability to heal her with cards like Elrond, Venerable Lord or Shadow Between, requiring just one exertion didn't require enough "investment", and still allowed her to be easily used multiple times. Two exertions fit the bill nicely, plus making it easier for the Shadow player to prevent her from using her ability. Changing the starting cost to just -1, allowed you to still start her in an elf-centered deck, but now only with help from one other elf, so she might have to actually fight.
Hope that helps.
What was Decipher thinking in making her free anyway? ???
The easy answer to the problem then, is to provide LR with cultural reinforcement. Unfortunately, I think most players will agree with me when I say that cultural reinforcement alone is not enough. The fact that "Castamir only goes with Corsairs" didn't stop everyone and their mother from playing Corsairs back in the day, just as cultural reinforcement on LR will just encourage people to play elves.There always have to be top tier decks, and sometimes there is one deck that dominates a format (for example, Jund in MTG before Shards of Alara rotated out). Corsairs is one of those decks. And that's fine! (Of course, MTG does try and avoid this if possible because a wider range of decks is more interesting, but this is always going to happen occasionally).
I guess we have to settle the basic question then: Are we in favour of an outright ban or just an errata?
I would propose that Kralik remove her from GCCG as a temporary solution, but I fear that such an action might inevitably become a permanent solution. As I am in favor of errata, I hesitate to "shoot myself in the foot" so to speak.
Poor rubbercarp is playing a game against her right now...good for him for not complaining, but bad matchup with Ninja Gollum and all...
-wtk
Philisophically, you can spend as much time arguing the potential non-existence of gravity as you want, but you still won't be able to fly.I would contest that. All you have to do is forget to hit the ground!
All you have to do is forget to hit the ground!
1. There is no insurance, because you still have to draw the events.
2. The burden you add with smeagol can be an enormous advantage. And if you kill her off then you have a dead comp in your deadpile wjich is still a dead comp which limits you to play other comps by one less. Benefit with shadow cards can be more abusive.
3. depends what you see as a mistake. I don't see her as a mistake.
4. Dont agree with you on that. There are enough ways to work around her. This argument only means you lack of being inventive.
5. There are multipele ways to protect your ringbearer true, but you still need the cards to do that, which will make your deck thicker or more unballanced. dont agree with you that there are stronger rb then galdriel except for frodo.
6. Yes only. You still have the ability to have advantage of use 1x. Also a lot of possesions and conditions benefit during skirmish.
7. Might be a big difference. But GLR isnt able to kill the ringbearer with just one action. Oh remove a vitality or a resistance adder. hey your rb (or other comp is dead) or is corrupted. Still very strong. And meant as it is to be meant. Same counts for GLR. She is meant to be strong, but there is enough to do against her.
8. I see this as you actually agree with me on this.
9. :p
As you see there are anough counter arguments to eachother statements, but that's no reason to x-list her. And please note that no tournament or game in Amsterdam will x-list her in movieblock.
Again I am very against putting her on an x-list on which she isn't on yet. But wouldnt mind an errata. What do you think of my proposal of altering: Discard an elven event from hand into Discard an Elven condition from your support area?
Take note also that she is banned until a suitable solution is found.
In that case count me out of lotr. Because you are screwin up the game.
Now, imagine that we would officially allow LR in Movie Format.Nah man. She's allowed in movie and that you will never change. What this discussion is all for is the TLHH format.
Now, imagine that we would officially allow LR in Movie Format.Nah man. She's allowed in movie and that you will never change. What this discussion is all for is the TLHH format.
How do most people view Movie Block? Does anyone besides me view it as "LOTR Worlds 2004?"
Is there the same outcry to ban cards like Aragorn, HTTWC and Saruman, KoI in Fellowship block, because they are as broken as Galadriel, LR (Saruman, KoI probably moreso), they totally warp Fellowship block, and they totally warped the environment when they first came out.
Note - I don't want to start a discussion of Fellowship Block here, I'm just using a comparable example from that format. I'm more curious how people view Move Block in general.