The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Lothlórien => Movie => Topic started by: legolas3333 on July 26, 2011, 11:25:10 PM
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Strategy at the bottom, but before you read, all credit for the shadow goes to ket_the_jet
Ring-bearer 5U111 • Frodo, Master of the Precious
The One Ring 4R1 • The One Ring, Answer To All Riddles
Adventure Deck
1 7U333 Sleeping Quarters
2 7U336 Rohirrim Camp
3 7U339 Hall of the Kings
4 7U341 Anduin Banks
5 10U119 Steward's Tomb
6 7U347 Minas Tirith First Circle
7 7U354 Pelennor Grassland
8 7U358 Morgulduin
9 7U361 Haunted Pass
Free Peoples Draw Deck
1x 7R71 • Sméagol, Always Helps
1x 4R73 • Legolas, Dauntless Hunter
1x 7C320 • Merry, Rohirrim Squire
1x 7C323 • Pippin, Sworn to Service
1x 7R324 • Pippin, Wearer of Black and Silver
4x 7P364 • Aragorn, Driven by Need
2x 1R90 • Aragorn's Bow
4x 6R39 Don't Look At Them
4x 3R113 The Shire Countryside
4x 7C65 Never
3x 10U108 • A Light in his Mind
3x 10R104 Birthday Present
4x 10U114 Shadowplay
4x 8R115 Unheeded
Free Peoples Total 37
Shadow Draw Deck
2x 6R76 • The Balrog, Terror of Flame and Shadow
2x 1U231 • Úlairë Enquëa, Lieutenant of Morgul
4x 1C174 Goblin Backstabber
4x 1U178 Goblin Runner
4x 1C179 Goblin Scavengers
4x 1U181 Goblin Sneak
2x 1R186 • Guard Commander
2x 9R+41 • Host of Moria, Legion of the Underdeeps
4x 1C180 Goblin Scimitar
4x 1R173 Goblin Armory
3x 1R183 Goblin Swarms
2x 1C196 They Are Coming
Shadow Total 37
So the shadow is pretty straight forward, work to get minions stacked on the Goblin Swarms and drop some bombs starting at site 5ish, the free peoples is very combo intensive. At the start, Smeagol/Pippin will take care of most minions. Once you start getting set up, The extra Pippin is there to switch once you past the site where you're opponent stops roaming. Unheeded/Shadowplay will kill some people, Aragorn and his bow will drop 1 or two, Smeagol/Don't Look At Them will mop up the leftovers. Aragorn and Merry will fight the survivors. Don't Look At Them triggers A Light In His Mind which combines with The Shire Countryside to rinse and repeat. Use Never and/or Aragorn to remove threats, Frodo to play back Smeagol, voila, ready to go.
I know, it would die to Saruman's Power, but it's loads of fun to play when you're opponent fails to decimate your support area.
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I know, it would die to Saruman's Power, but it's loads of fun to play when you're opponent fails to decimate your support area.
Then Shadowplay as much isengard minion as possible until it's too late ;)
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After a few games, figured out it's best to go second as you have a better chance of drawing key cards before your first freeps turn.
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Shadowplay limit once per turn. if you have 4 out can you do it 4 times... probably a dumb question but just had to make sure.
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Use the search function drj0000. You'll find a lot of answers there.
And you already asked that question here http://lotrtcgdb.com/forums/index.php/topic,7461.0.html :o.
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VERY late to the party here, but just wondering what the point of the Birthday Present was ?
It looks like you only have Unheeded as a Shire event?
Not trying to bash, just curious as to it's purpose.
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If there are copies of only one [Shire] event in the discard pile, Birthday Present will pull that event - the Shadow player doesn't get any choice. Here, Birthday Present is used specifically to bring copies of Unheeded back into hand (up to four per turn).
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As the card text is "Add a burden to choose 2 [Shire] events with different card titles from your discard pile. ".
If you're unable to choose 2 events with different card titles, surely the rest of the card text becomes irrelevant as you haven't been able to do the initial action of selecting 2 evens with different card titles?
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You're certainly not the first person to ask about Birthday Present. You would be right, but it's written in a very specific way to allow something counter-intuitive (pull a card without giving the Shadow player any choice) to happen. Two relevant bits from the rule book to start with:
costs for an action are usually listed before the word “to” (so the action takes the form of “pay X to do Y,” with X being the cost and Y the effect).
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If the effect of a card or special ability requires you to perform an action and you cannot, you must perform as much as you can and ignore the rest. (See limit.)
As you know, if you cannot pay the costs in some way, the effect is ignored. The cost of Birthday Present is simply "add a burden." Once that cost is paid, we move on to the effect. If there are not 2 different [Shire] events in your discard pile, the "perform as much as you can" stipulation has us pull as many as we can (either none or one). Your opponent then chooses one card (if able), and that card is put in your hand.
There are a few ways it could've been written to prevent this, but the card's designer wanted to allow the Free Peoples to always get a certain card back if there were no other [Shire] events in discard. For example, it could have said "Add a burden and choose 2 [Shire] events with different card titles from your discard pile." or "Choose an opponent and make him or her choose 1 of those cards for you to return to your discard pile. Take the other one into hand." The wording is very careful to allow manipulating a single card and remain consistent with the rules.
As you may imagine, there was confusion when the card was released too. Decipher released a clarification for the card explaining the intent in the Current Rulings Document from just after it was released up until Comprehensive Rulebook 4.0. This is taken from the August 9th, 2005 CRD available at http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/_media/crd_2005_0809.pdf
BIRTHDAY PRESENT 10 R 104
If the Free Peoples player has only 1 event (or up
to 4 copies of the same event, but no other [Shire]
events) in his or her discard pile, that event is
taken into hand.
Hopefully that clears things up. I know it isn't a satisfactory answer, but the card remains consistent with the rules even without Decipher's clarification.
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This is great!
Thanks Phallen, this clears it up perfectly!!!!