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Title: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Finisterle on August 11, 2011, 11:49:08 PM
Foil Lord of the rings cards can be and often are beautiful. My personal favorite is Arwen Queen of Elves and Men.

But foil cards bend in on themselves, even though cards from some sets seem a bit more rigid and when they do they stop being nice to look at.

How can you manage foil bend - and should you at all ?
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Air Power on August 12, 2011, 07:32:14 AM
I've kept my foils in binder pages since I opened them (pre-2008).  The have slight bend (esp. TT foils) but are no where near as bad as my SWCCG foils.  I could put my LOTR foils in a deck with non-foils without considering the foils "marked", which I couldn't do with the SWCCG foils.

I have recently tried alternating the orientation of my SWCCG foils so they face ()()()()()() in the box.  I'll post if it works.

Another idea I've not tried is loading all the foils in top-loaders.
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: FM on August 12, 2011, 08:49:10 AM
Top loaders go a long way in stopping the bending, but it'll just happen when you play with them some time. A way to fix that is to get hold of a good 3-4 books, heavy volumes, and simply lay the foils under them (I do this when Ihave a MtG tournament and need to, for example, use Ajani Vengeant, which I only have the foil pre-release versions) for about 2-3 days.
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: macheteman on August 12, 2011, 10:44:39 AM
three words: "war and peace"
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Finisterle on August 13, 2011, 12:37:49 PM
Ergo: most people seem to be slaves to the annoying foil bend.

I use a technique that could be called symmetric counter bending.

But since it can ruin the card and doesn't offer any permanent solution (the foil bend always comes back) I won't describe it in detail.
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Jerba on August 15, 2011, 08:57:16 AM
When I lived in the American West with low or non-existent humidity I never had trouble foil bending. However, when I moved east the foils started bending. I say its a humidity problem. 
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Finisterle on August 15, 2011, 12:54:52 PM
Quote from: Jerba on August 15, 2011, 08:57:16 AM
When I lived in the American West with low or non-existent humidity I never had trouble foil bending. However, when I moved east the foils started bending. I say its a humidity problem.  

This is the textbook answer for what causes foil bending. Some also say that heat and cold - which expands the foil side and contracts it respectively are causes.

Humidity: foil card bends inwards // because the non foiled back absorbs mositure

Heat: foil card "should" bend outwards // because the foil expands.

However: do not fool around with heat and cold since you don't really have any control over how the foil will expand and contract. That sort of control would be difficult even in a laboratory.
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Narij on August 15, 2011, 02:58:08 PM
Living in a desert, I do not have issues with humidity, but heat on the other hand...

I think part of the issue is the card stock.  Sets all the way through Mount Doom suffer far less from heat (or humidity, based on my East Coast friend) but as soon as you see a Shadows+ foil, the bend is ridiculous.  Yes an 80 degree room may cause the card to bend, but not overnight.
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:26:41 AM
hey, who thumbs-downed the "war and peace"??? thats the best book for flattening out foils before a tournament. the darn thing is like a bazillion pages long!
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Doom on August 16, 2011, 09:31:15 AM
It is!

Try a copy of that and Le Miz... those books are good for your Chiropractor too!

Looks like someone is doing some gold-bending...
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: Doom on August 16, 2011, 09:31:15 AM
It is!

Try a copy of that and Le Miz...

throw in "The count of monte cristo" and you can flatten out the rocky mountains...
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: TheJord on August 16, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
I think most of my university textbooks outweigh those books
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:58:20 AM
Quote from: TheJord on August 16, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
I think most of my university textbooks outweigh those books

this is also true. in addition to the money to buy the textbooks outweighing the textbooks themselves. my "statics and dynamics" book for this year cost about $300.
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Doom on August 16, 2011, 10:58:22 AM
So you can break your back and your bank at the same time.
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Air Power on August 16, 2011, 11:40:04 AM
Lol, I don't have to buy any textbooks this semester  \:D/ more money for cards.

(explanation: using a free e-book for Quantum Physics, print packs for several classes $3-$10 each, reusing Chem II text from Chem I a couple years ago)

Anyway, I'll join the big book parade with A Latin Dictionary by Lewis and Short
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Anautikus on August 17, 2011, 02:07:51 AM
Quote from: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:58:20 AM
this is also true. in addition to the money to buy the textbooks outweighing the textbooks themselves. my "statics and dynamics" book for this year cost about $300.
lol mm my roommates both took that class. I'm sure they still have the textbooks too. Downloading pdf's of books + school library = money saved :)

Also, if you want to flatten a card, just get a copy of Lord of the Rings hahah. The combined version with Fellowship, Towers, and Kings will definitely do the job.
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: Beats on August 19, 2011, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: Doom on August 16, 2011, 09:31:15 AM
It is!

Try a copy of that and Le Miz...

throw in "The count of monte cristo" and you can flatten out the rocky mountains...
Quote from: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:26:41 AM
hey, who thumbs-downed the "war and peace"??? thats the best book for flattening out foils before a tournament. the darn thing is like a bazillion pages long!

It was dumbed down because {removed}
(https://lotrtcgwiki.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flotrtcgdb.com%2Fforums%2FThemes%2Fdefault%2Fimages%2Fwarnpmod.gif&hash=fc30af548dd4e58c4097179c78a23dfad9bf5c82) Openly attacking a fellow forumer (and by creating a new account, which could also mean trying to get past moderation), in a completely disproportionate way, without even having a reason to (alleged or not).
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: LOTRFreak15 on August 19, 2011, 07:41:07 AM
You mean thumbed down?  ;)
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: macheteman on August 19, 2011, 09:27:26 AM
Quote from: Beats on August 19, 2011, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: Doom on August 16, 2011, 09:31:15 AM
It is!

Try a copy of that and Le Miz...

throw in "The count of monte cristo" and you can flatten out the rocky mountains...
Quote from: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:26:41 AM
hey, who thumbs-downed the "war and peace"??? thats the best book for flattening out foils before a tournament. the darn thing is like a bazillion pages long!

It was dumbed down because {removed the original, removed the quote}
(https://lotrtcgwiki.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flotrtcgdb.com%2Fforums%2FThemes%2Fdefault%2Fimages%2Fwarnpmod.gif&hash=fc30af548dd4e58c4097179c78a23dfad9bf5c82) Openly attacking a fellow forumer (and by creating a new account, which could also mean trying to get past moderation), in a completely disproportionate way, without even having a reason to (alleged or not).

whoever you represent, Beats, you are more than welcome to send me a personal message if you have a problem with me. i hope that we can work this issue out in a civilized manner. i certainly never have tried to make enemies on this (or any) forum.

-mm
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: HawkeyeSPF on August 19, 2011, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Beats on August 19, 2011, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: Doom on August 16, 2011, 09:31:15 AM
It is!

Try a copy of that and Le Miz...

throw in "The count of monte cristo" and you can flatten out the rocky mountains...
Quote from: macheteman on August 16, 2011, 09:26:41 AM
hey, who thumbs-downed the "war and peace"??? thats the best book for flattening out foils before a tournament. the darn thing is like a bazillion pages long!

It was dumbed down because {removed}
(https://lotrtcgwiki.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flotrtcgdb.com%2Fforums%2FThemes%2Fdefault%2Fimages%2Fwarnpmod.gif&hash=fc30af548dd4e58c4097179c78a23dfad9bf5c82) Openly attacking a fellow forumer (and by creating a new account, which could also mean trying to get past moderation), in a completely disproportionate way, without even having a reason to (alleged or not).

Wow, one* post and you get -4 gold AND moderated? Impressive!

*Okay, I know this isn't actually your first post here :cough::Finisterle::cough:
Title: Re: Talk about foil bend in Lotr tcg and ideas on how to manage it.
Post by: macheteman on August 19, 2011, 10:39:09 AM
-6 on one post... could be a new record... Beats for the Hall of Fame? anyone? anyone?