The Last Homely House
Undying Lands => Valinor => Topic started by: Gartax on May 12, 2012, 08:53:03 AM
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I mean player who do not make any move in 10 minutes because they are loosing?
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Player Name Frodo
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Gartax$zhs18q0bed04j7er
Player Name Noone13
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Gartax$m066v2ydn882iw2s
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someone being tilted and conceeding isnt a reason to put them on a "bad player" list. maybe thornicate was having a bad day.
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Maudib35 (or whatever)-
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=CoS$7w55o47bbga4n1ma
i played bilbo, redbook, elrond & ring at 2 and he conceded. I asked what happened. He just left. Said nothing...
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Well, I actually don't see anything essentially wrong with it, you wrecked his fellowship badly, so perhaps he assumed a shadow kill was his only out, and then the fellowship side of your deck set up, and he probably couldn't beat it as well. I don't know why a player should be forced to endure a boring game where he just goes through the motions when the other deck clearly will win. Same goes for thornicate and ket, perhaps his deck was designed to win with the fellowship side, racing, and his shadow side merely cycled. Conceding when the match is clearly over allows both players time to play more games (and have better games to remember after), something specially important when you don't have a lot of online time. IRL, it also gives you time to go eat/drink something, if you're in a tournament, or to jam more matches together, if you're just having fun and want a "win/loss ratio" afterward, so that's why it's also a common practice among players who attended the tournament scene.
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Well, I actually don't see anything essentially wrong with it, you wrecked his fellowship badly, so perhaps he assumed a shadow kill was his only out, and then the fellowship side of your deck set up, and he probably couldn't beat it as well. I don't know why a player should be forced to endure a boring game where he just goes through the motions when the other deck clearly will win. Same goes for thornicate and ket, perhaps his deck was designed to win with the fellowship side, racing, and his shadow side merely cycled. Conceding when the match is clearly over allows both players time to play more games (and have better games to remember after), something specially important when you don't have a lot of online time. IRL, it also gives you time to go eat/drink something, if you're in a tournament, or to jam more matches together, if you're just having fun and want a "win/loss ratio" afterward, so that's why it's also a common practice among players who attended the tournament scene.
I agree in principle, but (if I were in that situation) I'd try to at least say goodbye before conceding.
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If that is an offense, he doesnt stand alone.
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Sure, politeness has its place (in the case of ket, though, thornicate did seem to be, at least), but then the problem is not the game situation at all (that he quit at site 2), but that he's not a polite person/player, which, by itself, would be enough to, yes, put them up as bad players, though I'd be willing to let offenses slide if the player came back to apologize after a while. Sometimes, right after taking some bad beats, people are just not in the mood to congratulate. What can I say? There are a lot of whiners and sore losers out there, it happens. The problem is when being a sore loser spills over, like mager moving stuff around on GCCG, people cursing in the middle of a game etc. "Needing a little time", by itself, would not be an offense, at least to me.
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Sigh, playing Focker and he says he has to leave, instead of Conceding the game, he lets it sit and I have to wait for the time to run out, very frustrated because your never sure if you can do something else and the person could come back and press something and then you lose because you thought they were gone.
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^^Yeahthat
I had this happen to me recently, except with a different player, I forgot who. He said "good game", didn't concede, left me sitting there. Thankfully, Gemp timed out and let me win after 10 minutes of waiting for him. It didn't have to run down the full hour left on the clock.
I should also point out that, in fairness, sometimes players crash in the midst of the game and their opponent quits in frustration. That happened to me also. My computer spontaneously rebooted, and by the time I got back onto Gemp, my opponent had left.
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Same here. I start a game with Elvenman. As soon as I bid he leaves and is not there anymore. Had to wait for time-out to win.
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BAD PLAYER ALERT: Codenm - leaves without conceding at site 4 when his ents/hobbits are going to get owned by Dunland. said nothing and never returned. I had to wait for him to time out.
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Don't play with galestel either. I joined his table and made my bid, but he did absolutely nothing, forcing me to wait 10 minutes without a single moment of the game being played. If you're gonna start a table, there's no reason why you can't play when someone joins you. Ridiculous.
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Don't play with galestel either. I joined his table and made my bid, but he did absolutely nothing, forcing me to wait 10 minutes without a single moment of the game being played. If you're gonna start a table, there's no reason why you can't play when someone joins you. Ridiculous.
Sometimes, people (including me) do other things while waiting for someone to join. That's why it would be helpful if a sound would be made when a player joins.
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Actually a sound does play when a game is started.
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Same here. I start a game with Elvenman. As soon as I bid he leaves and is not there anymore. Had to wait for time-out to win.
It happened to me as well with elvenman...
Can MarcinS do something about it?
I mean if you are all alone in the room, it's not possible to cancel the game without conceding... Waiting 10 minutes is frustrating... It happened to me to wait 15 minutes before finding an opponent, then the guy left the room and I had to wait 10 more minutes before being able to play again... very annoying :-)
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Yes, I believe we have seen enough of these kinds of complaints that MarcinS should do something about it. Taking 3 minutes to perform a SINGLE action, like playing a card or prompting a triggered ability to happen is more than enough, perhaps in REALLY complicated situations, like skirmish, people can have 5 minutes, and maybe an "extension" button that allows them, for X times in the match, to take the full 10 in a particularly complicated situation, and that's about it. Of course, jerks could still use the function to make the other player wait out the full 10, but then that would warrant a ban/gold loss/card loss, because that'd just be being a jerk.
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The problem with a 3 minute time limit is a computer or Internet crash. I have a SSD computer now which boots quickly, but in the past I've had machines that take about 2 minutes to reboot and reload their startup programs. Searching online, one company (soluto.com) claims average PC boot time is 3 minutes, 12 seconds. That's suspiciously high, but even saying 2 minutes leaves very little margin for error. I have to reboot, log in to the Internet provider, then load Gemp. If it was my turn when it crashed, there's a good chance I just lost.
I would have no problem with 7 minutes, but less than that would remove safety margin on computer crashes.
I will also note that to the best of my knowledge, Magic Online has no 10-minute time limit, just a 25 minute time limit per match.
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Yes, but considering matches there are worth actual points for an actual ranking that let you play in actual tournaments, and revenue is "real" (and much, MUCH better) - you can always convert MOL goodies to money without too much of a hassle -, most players are ok with it, winning by clockout is still winning.
Problem is, Gemp is a CASUAL program for CASUAL gamers that want to enjoy a dead game, so it's NOT ok to have people sit on their thumbs for so much time.
As for crashes, sure, they can happen. Sure, they suck. Sure, losing a match because of it sucks (and in a tournament, I'm pretty sure the time limit would be higher, because if someone pulled something like this on a tournament, they'd get DQ'ed anyway). However, I think it's a matter of risk-reward, and I think players getting annoyed in this proportions IS a bigger problem than someone losing a random casual game because of an internet crash (and of course, those can always be solved by the player, either by fixing/upgrading their computer or changing internet providers if the current one is not living up to expectations).
PS: I understand this may sound harsh to some ("get a better computer/internet connection" - although it's not quite what I mean, I'm actually telling people to fight for their rights if they're paying for a service), but truth be told, games DO have system requirements, and while you CAN play with a machine slightly under those, you have to know you run some risks, so I don't see why it'd be such a big deal.
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Heck, I had an Internet crash the other night, so I just whipped out my phone and signed on from there. It's a little slower than playing on my PC, and it's harder to select individual cards on the screen, but it does work.
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And could probably hold you until the computer restarted.