The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Chamber of Mazarbul => Topic started by: menace64 on September 22, 2008, 07:03:01 PM
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The [Raider] culture (where the Wainriders fit into) in Lands of Shadow is the only culture to feature the new loaded keyword, pillage [X] (When this minion wins a skirmish, add [X]). My original idea for pillage was too powerful and I needed something that could be spread out over many minions as part of the culture's central focus. So, as you may imagine, the Wainriders like having lots of twilight available to them during the regroup phase.
However, Wainriders are savvy in two other new keywords, which are:
Dominate. (A character skirmishing this character may not exert.)
Flanking. (If this character is not assigned to a skirmish, at the start of another of your character’s skirmishes, you may exert this character to replace that character in the skirmish.)
As well as the new mechanic, alliance:
Alliance: [Culture X]. (You may replace [Culture] with [Culture X] anywhere in this card’s gametext.)
[2] •United by NOLINKHate [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
To play, spot a Wainrider.
Each time a Wainrider takes a wound (except during a skirmish), you may remove [2] to heal another Wainrider.
Regroup: Spot 3 mounted Wainriders and remove [1](0) to make the Free Peoples player choose to move again this turn (if the move limit allows). Discard this condition.
“‘…the tribes of the Eastlands are against us. What hope have we now?’”
M1R51
This card, being rare, is able to do several different things at several different times. The triggered ability really is a monstrous affect: save the pool, save the lives. If you have the twilight to pull it off, you can make it all the way through to the skirmishes without taking a single wound! And if your Wainriders can pillage their way to 10 twilight, the fellowship is 'routed' and has to run!
Oh, and I made up that piece of lore, since applicable material from the books proper are hard to come by. I've milked just about all that I can, and I'll be concocting my own quotes for the final few cards.
But pillaging isn't all the Wainriders can do...
[3] Wainrider Scout [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 8
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider.
Each mount played on this minion is twilight cost -2.
M1U55
As I mentioned earlier, these guys love their mounts. So much so that they get discounts for bringing them into play. This guy is one of the weakest minions in the bunch, but there are one or two minions that can snatch possessions from their brethren.
And, once you get a few mounted Wainriders into play...
[1] Tempest of Hooves [Raider]
Event • Skirmish
Make a Wainrider strength +2 for each mounted Wainrider you spot.
“‘…NOLINKcountless companies of Men of a new sort that we have not met before.’”
M1U48
NOLINKTrust me, this is easier to strike gold with than in other, previously-established possession-loving cultures. I may actually be raising the cost of this event by one or two, but that'll wait until you guys see the mounts themselves, along with other punishing cards littered throughout the culture.
Yeah... you don't get to see the mounts today. :twisted:
Oh, and as an aside before I really get rolling, as I attach lore to card I'm giving no consideration to that lore's prior use. Whatever I find that fits the theme of the card goes on the card. I'm not sacrificing awesome quotes because Decipher felt greedy!
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I must say, I am impressed with these. :gp:
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I agree with Lurtzy. Noice.
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[2] •United by NOLINKHate [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
To play, spot a Wainrider.
Each time a Wainrider takes a wound (except during a skirmish), you may remove [2] to heal another Wainrider.
Regroup: Spot 3 mounted Wainriders and remove [1](0) to make the Free Peoples player choose to move again this turn (if the move limit allows). Discard this condition.
“‘…the tribes of the Eastlands are against us. What hope have we now?’”
M1R51
It's certainly interesting. I don't think it needs to spot a Wainrider to play, however.
[3] Wainrider Scout [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 8
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider.
Each mount played on this minion is twilight cost -2.
M1U55
This is good. But I think he should strength 9 due to his site 5 and not so brilliant ability (it's not to the power of Uruk Regular, for example, who has equivalent stats).
[1] Tempest of Hooves [Raider]
Event • Skirmish
Make a Wainrider strength +2 for each mounted Wainrider you spot.
“‘…NOLINKcountless companies of Men of a new sort that we have not met before.’”
M1U48
I would prefer first a simpler common card: "Make a Wainrider strength +2 (or +4 if he is mounted)", but this certainly seems fine at the moment. I would perhaps also suggest that it could spot [Raider] mounts instead, but that isn't a big deal.
Thranduil
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[2] •United by NOLINKHate [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
To play, spot a Wainrider.
Each time a Wainrider takes a wound (except during a skirmish), you may remove [2] to heal another Wainrider.
Regroup: Spot 3 mounted Wainriders and remove [1](0) to make the Free Peoples player choose to move again this turn (if the move limit allows). Discard this condition.
“‘…the tribes of the Eastlands are against us. What hope have we now?’”
M1R51
Yeah, you can safely drop the spotting requirement, I think. It's useless without Wainriders anyway.
[3] Wainrider Scout [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 8
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider.
Each mount played on this minion is twilight cost -2.
M1U55
Not sure if you plan to incorporate fellowship size !hate (which the [Raider] culture already has a bit of), but this guy would be MUCH better if he also included a line like "While you can spot 6 companions, each mount played on another Wainrider is twilight cost -2."
[1] Tempest of Hooves [Raider]
Event • Skirmish
Make a Wainrider strength +2 for each mounted Wainrider you spot.
“‘…NOLINKcountless companies of Men of a new sort that we have not met before.’”
M1U48
Thran's idea about any [Raider] mount isn't bad, but I do NOT agree with changing the actual strength boost. This is PROBABLY fine as is, but if getting lots of mounts is relatively easy, then maybe up the cost to [2]. Without a cap, that would probably already be my suggestion.
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[2] •United by NOLINKHate [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
To play, spot a Wainrider.
Each time a Wainrider takes a wound (except during a skirmish), you may remove [2] to heal another Wainrider.
Regroup: Spot 3 mounted Wainriders and remove [1](0) to make the Free Peoples player choose to move again this turn (if the move limit allows). Discard this condition.
“‘…the tribes of the Eastlands are against us. What hope have we now?’”
M1R51
one Q. where are they mentioned in the book? anyway...I likey...
[3] Wainrider Scout [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 8
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider.
Each mount played on this minion is twilight cost -2.
M1U55
nice and simple, should be C IMSO
[1] Tempest of Hooves [Raider]
Event • Skirmish
Make a Wainrider strength +2 for each mounted Wainrider you spot.
“‘…NOLINKcountless companies of Men of a new sort that we have not met before.’”
M1U48
coolio, maybe limit +6?
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They really aren't mentioned in the books beyond "and the variags of Khand" or "dark-skinned horsemen from the east". They're expounded on a bit in the appendices though.
All right, the spotting requirement on United by Hate is gone (good point), and the Scout has 9 strength. Now, part of the Wainrider culture's flavor is their lack of simple strength boosters. What bonuses they get, they get from their mounts and whatever assistance comes out of Mordor.
Hm... I suppose that's where I'll take you today. But before I show you the cross-cultural ties showcased in Lands of Shadow, I think I ought to spoil one of the Wainrider mounts.
[1] Great Horse [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Wainrider. Bearer gains flanking.
“For horsemen went wide about westward and came up on the flank of the enemy from behind, and they were destroyed or driven east into the hills.”
M1C42
Flanking! Flanking! Flanking! As I started writing the [Raider] culture, this keyword just showed up suddenly and never went away. In fact, it bled into many other cultures and is one of the three highlight keywords of the set. Remember that the goal of this set is to introduce new subcultures without the use of old keywords (no damage, no archery, no fierce, no nothing). So the Wainriders, Native Mordor Orcs, [Wraith] Dead Army, and the Grey Company focus on new talents to pummel their foes.
Flanking. (If this character is not assigned to a skirmish, at the start of another of your character’s skirmishes, you may exert this character to replace that character in the skirmish.)
Flanking spells out a major headache for your opponent, especially if all of your minions happen to have it! Using it, you can pour all your strength into a select minion, ensuring his survival, and when his skirmish is up, get him into another one! This is the solution for the lack of fierce. But, of course, the FP player can just as easily leave the flanking minions skirmish until last, which is why you've got to be careful who gets it and who doesn't.
[3] In Service [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
Alliance: [Sauron]. To play, spot a Corsair, Easterling, Southron, or Wainrider.
At the end of each of your shadow phases, you may exert a [Raider] minion to play a Corsair, Easterling, Southron, or Wainrider from your draw deck.
Regroup: Return your [Raider] minion to your hand to heal a [Sauron] minion.
“Dust rose smothering the air, as from nearby there marched up an army of Easterlings that had waited for the signal in the shadows of Ered Lithui beyond the further Tower.”
M1C44
Alliance works as follows:
Alliance: [Culture X]. (You may replace [Culture] with [Culture X] anywhere in this card’s gametext.)
So, in the above case, it reads Alliance: [Sauron]. (You may replace [Raider] with [Sauron] anywhere in this card's gametext.) This ability breaks down cultural barriers, but - as in M:TG - makes you work twice as hard for payoffs. No alliance can be brought into play without satisfying the alliance's own cultural enforcement (in this case, playing a specific kind of [Raider] minion). But once you play it, you begin reaping benefits left and right, able to strengthen your forces through working together.
Even without alliance, In Service is powerful (too powerful, I deem, which is why it's showing up nice and early). Using alliance, however, lets you substitute exerting a [Raider] minion for exerting a [Sauron] minion (good in a pinch) or returning [Sauron] minions to your hand to heal other [Sauron] minions if all your [Raider] minions happen to die. See how it works? Simple, yet highly effective.
I was going to show you another [Raider] alliance today, but I think I'd rather spoil something a bit different:
[3] Eastern Scimitar [Raider]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Response: If bearer wins a skirmish, remove [3] to make the Free Peoples player exert a companion.
From the harsh lands of the East came all manner of cruel and vicious weapons.
M1R39
I'm too proud of this little weapon to save it for another time. Not only does it pack a wallop with the Wainriders, but its ability is a throw-back to the old [Raider] mechanics from TTT. Since Wainriders gain pillage easily (each time this minion wins a skirmish, add X), the response ability can be used over and over. But it costs 3 to play, gives nothing else but +2 strength, and is rare.
Hope you like 'em!
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[1] Great Horse [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Wainrider. Bearer gains flanking.
“For horsemen went wide about westward and came up on the flank of the enemy from behind, and they were destroyed or driven east into the hills.”
M1C42
fine by me...
Flanking. (If this character is not assigned to a skirmish, at the start of another of your character’s skirmishes, you may exert this character to replace that character in the skirmish.)
[3] In Service [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
Alliance: [Sauron]. To play, spot a Corsair, Easterling, Southron, or Wainrider.
At the end of each of your shadow phases, you may exert a [Raider] minion to play a Corsair, Easterling, Southron, or Wainrider from your draw deck.
Regroup: Return your [Raider] minion to your hand to heal a [Sauron] minion.
“Dust rose smothering the air, as from nearby there marched up an army of Easterlings that had waited for the signal in the shadows of Ered Lithui beyond the further Tower.”
M1C44
why not just to play spot a raider minion?are there other raider minions beside corsairs, easterlings, southrons and wainrider (variags perhaps?)
oh wait, I reviewed alliance and just got it...its ok than.
Alliance works as follows:
Alliance: [Culture X]. (You may replace [Culture] with [Culture X] anywhere in this card’s gametext.)
So, in the above case, it reads Alliance: [Sauron]. (You may replace [Raider] with [Sauron] anywhere in this card's gametext.) This ability breaks down cultural barriers, but - as in M:TG - makes you work twice as hard for payoffs. No alliance can be brought into play without satisfying the alliance's own cultural enforcement (in this case, playing a specific kind of [Raider] minion). But once you play it, you begin reaping benefits left and right, able to strengthen your forces through working together.
Even without alliance, In Service is powerful (too powerful, I deem, which is why it's showing up nice and early). Using alliance, however, lets you substitute exerting a [Raider] minion for exerting a [Sauron] minion (good in a pinch) or returning [Sauron] minions to your hand to heal other [Sauron] minions if all your [Raider] minions happen to die. See how it works? Simple, yet highly effective.
I was going to show you another [Raider] alliance today, but I think I'd rather spoil something a bit different:
[3] Eastern Scimitar [Raider]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Response: If bearer wins a skirmish, remove [3] to make the Free Peoples player exert a companion.
From the harsh lands of the East came all manner of cruel and vicious weapons.
M1R39
works for me...could feasibly be 2 I think.
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Eh, I'd rather keep the Scimitar at [3]. Not all cards should be costed competitively. Some need to be a little above the curve, others need to be a little under.
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[1] Great Horse [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Wainrider. Bearer gains flanking.
“For horsemen went wide about westward and came up on the flank of the enemy from behind, and they were destroyed or driven east into the hills.”
M1C42
Flanking is interesting - it kind of does your head in though trying to run through all the possibilites - like Stragglers and lurker stuff, so tis good I think.
[3] In Service [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
Alliance: [Sauron]. To play, spot a Corsair, Easterling, Southron, or Wainrider.
At the end of each of your shadow phases, you may exert a [Raider] minion to play a Corsair, Easterling, Southron, or Wainrider from your draw deck.
Regroup: Return your [Raider] minion to your hand to heal a [Sauron] minion.
“Dust rose smothering the air, as from nearby there marched up an army of Easterlings that had waited for the signal in the shadows of Ered Lithui beyond the further Tower.”
M1C44
This doesn't seem to have such a big enforcement on it - there are a lot of options. Not sure if it's such a problem, though. I would also replace the [Sauron] in the regroup ability with [Raider] because I feel it's clearer for an alliance to have only 1 culture on it and I don't think it would be too flexible.
[3] Eastern Scimitar [Raider]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Response: If bearer wins a skirmish, remove [3] to make the Free Peoples player exert a companion.
From the harsh lands of the East came all manner of cruel and vicious weapons.
M1R39
I'm not sure I'd ever want to pay [3] for a Shadow weapon, almost regardless of how good it is. That said, I don't think it would be too good at [2].
Thranduil
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[1] Great Horse [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Wainrider. Bearer gains flanking.
“For horsemen went wide about westward and came up on the flank of the enemy from behind, and they were destroyed or driven east into the hills.”
M1C42
Flanking. (If this character is not assigned to a skirmish, at the start of another of your character’s skirmishes, you may exert this character to replace that character in the skirmish.)
Cool and cool.
[3] In Service [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
Alliance: [Sauron]. To play, spot a Corsair, Easterling, Southron, or Wainrider.
At the end of each of your shadow phases, you may exert a [Raider] minion to play a Corsair, Easterling, Southron, or Wainrider from your draw deck.
Regroup: Return your [Raider] minion to your hand to heal a [Sauron] minion.
“Dust rose smothering the air, as from nearby there marched up an army of Easterlings that had waited for the signal in the shadows of Ered Lithui beyond the further Tower.”
M1C44
Alliance works as follows:
Alliance: [Culture X]. (You may replace [Culture] with [Culture X] anywhere in this card’s gametext.)
Meh its ok, not a big fan.
[3] Eastern Scimitar [Raider]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Response: If bearer wins a skirmish, remove [3] to make the Free Peoples player exert a companion.
From the harsh lands of the East came all manner of cruel and vicious weapons.
M1R39
Why 3 cost? Could easily be 2.
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the consensus seems to be make the scimitar 2 menace...
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You guys may be right on the scimitar. For now though, I'm just going to put up some more cards, since my chances to get on the web are severely limited at the moment and I'm just not sure when I'll be on again.
[2] Great Chariot [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +3
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Bearer may not take wounds during the archery phase and gains dominate.
“‘The new host that we had tidings of has come first, from over the River by way of Andros, it is said.’”
M1C41
That's the second of three mounts in the set (the third is just below). The archery phase is mostly neglected in Lands of Shadow (Legolas being the only character with latent archery skills), so that particular defense is mostly for use outside of whatever block LoS happens to land in (who knows?). But I'm sure that's not what you're wondering about, is it? Well, here's what dominate does:
Dominate (A character skirmishing this character may not exert.)
Basically, it shuts down special abilities (most of them, anyway) and a few events or conditions. But it also prevents the dominating character's owner from purposefully exerting an opponent's characters. All that works is wounds or overwhelms.
Now that I've revealed dominate, there's only one more new keyword left in this set to be spoiled... and I'm keeping it under wraps for now. :twisted:
[2] Heavy-armored Horse [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +1
Vitality +1
Bearer must be a Wainrider. When you play this possession, bearer gains dominate or flanking until the start of the regroup phase.
Decorated after the fashion of the Eastern tribes, the companies of armored cavalry were a disheartening sight on the plains of the Pelennor.
M1U43
There you go. All three [Raider] mounts in the set have been spoiled. This one costs the same amount as the Chariot, but at the cost of 2 strength and wound prevention. On the other hand, it gives that precious vitality boost, and provides a player with options. As a summary: Great Horse gains flanking, Great Chariot gains dominate, Heavy-armored Horse gains either.
[8] •Chariot Company [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 17
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider. Dominate. When you play Chariot Company, you may play a [Raider] mount on it from your discard pile.
For each mounted Wainrider you spot, Chariot Company gains pillage [1].
“‘Many of those that we pursued had reached the havens before us, and brought their fear with them…’”
M1U34
There are a few big baddies in the Wainrider culture, this minion being one of them. This guy has dominate, an automatic mount, and gets increasingly profitable as other mounted Wainriders come into play. It's unique, but doesn't require spotting anything to play (as most of the other big Wainriders do), and is rather above the cost-to-strength curve. A scary minion all around, I think.
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[2] Great Chariot [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +3
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Bearer may not take wounds during the archery phase and gains dominate.
“‘The new host that we had tidings of has come first, from over the River by way of Andros, it is said.’”
M1C41
Fair enough.
[2] Heavy-armored Horse [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +1
Vitality +1
Bearer must be a Wainrider. When you play this possession, bearer gains dominate or flanking until the start of the regroup phase.
Decorated after the fashion of the Eastern tribes, the companies of armored cavalry were a disheartening sight on the plains of the Pelennor.
M1U43
Interesting. I like it a lot.
[8] •Chariot Company [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 17
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider. Dominate. When you play Chariot Company, you may play a [Raider] mount on it from your discard pile.
For each mounted Wainrider you spot, Chariot Company gains pillage 1.
“‘Many of those that we pursued had reached the havens before us, and brought their fear with them…’”
M1U34
Really sweet. I might go for dropping his strength a little, because right now he's bigger than a Witch-King, and although he lacks fierce he will often get powered up when you play him.
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[2] Great Chariot [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +3
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Bearer may not take wounds during the archery phase and gains dominate.
“‘The new host that we had tidings of has come first, from over the River by way of Andros, it is said.’”
M1C41
That's the second of three mounts in the set (the third is just below). The archery phase is mostly neglected in Lands of Shadow (Legolas being the only character with latent archery skills), so that particular defense is mostly for use outside of whatever block LoS happens to land in (who knows?). But I'm sure that's not what you're wondering about, is it? Well, here's what dominate does:
Dominate (A character skirmishing this character may not exert.)
Basically, it shuts down special abilities (most of them, anyway) and a few events or conditions. But it also prevents the dominating character's owner from purposefully exerting an opponent's characters. All that works is wounds or overwhelms.
I'm not sure about dominate - I don't think the ability captures the flavour and meanings of the word. I don't think it would be too good to prevent only that character's owner from exerting them. Or I quite liked the special ability thing you had before - maybe it could prevent the character's owner from using them in the cost of a special ability?
[2] Heavy-armored Horse [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +1
Vitality +1
Bearer must be a Wainrider. When you play this possession, bearer gains dominate or flanking until the start of the regroup phase.
Decorated after the fashion of the Eastern tribes, the companies of armored cavalry were a disheartening sight on the plains of the Pelennor.
M1U43
Fair enough.
[8] •Chariot Company [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 17
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider. Dominate. When you play Chariot Company, you may play a [Raider] mount on it from your discard pile.
For each mounted Wainrider you spot, Chariot Company gains pillage 1.
“‘Many of those that we pursued had reached the havens before us, and brought their fear with them…’”
M1U34
I can't remember what pillage does exactly - does it add twilight for winning? I think I would prefer this guy at strength 15 vitality 4, but I think he's probably balanced as he is.
Thranduil
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[2] Great Chariot [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +3
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Bearer may not take wounds during the archery phase and gains dominate.
“‘The new host that we had tidings of has come first, from over the River by way of Andros, it is said.’”
M1C41
Nice.
[2] Heavy-armored Horse [Raider]
Possession • Mount
Strength +1
Vitality +1
Bearer must be a Wainrider. When you play this possession, bearer gains dominate or flanking until the start of the regroup phase.
Decorated after the fashion of the Eastern tribes, the companies of armored cavalry were a disheartening sight on the plains of the Pelennor.
M1U43
Think you have to specify you have to make the choice.
[8] •Chariot Company [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 17
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider. Dominate. When you play Chariot Company, you may play a [Raider] mount on it from your discard pile.
For each mounted Wainrider you spot, Chariot Company gains pillage 1.
“‘Many of those that we pursued had reached the havens before us, and brought their fear with them…’”
M1U34
Sweet!
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Hmm, good point lemonbrain. There should be a "you choose to make" clause for the Horse. As for Dominate, Thranduil, I think you're right. Dominate shouldn't flat-out prevent all exertions; just exertions from the character being dominated should be blocked.
Today for Wainrider spoilers I've chosen three cards that just scream "Woah!!". So far I've stuck to showing you guys the core mechanics - the simple stuff.
[8] •Chieftain of Rhûn, Lord of the Tribes [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 15
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider. Dominate. Pillage [3].
Each time you play a [Raider] mount, draw a card.
Response: If another Wainrider wins a skirmish, exert Chieftain of Rhûn to play a [Raider] possession from your discard pile; it is twilight cost -2.
Taught the potency of Voice by Saruman, this lord of Men is a cunning leader, able to bend both mind and man.
M1R38
What Castamir does for Corsairs, this fella does for Wainriders. Grossly-strong for a single dude, he's the minion to be most-feared by the Free Peoples player. He won't lose skirmishes easily, and if the same can be said for your other Wainriders, you can re-outfit the entire horde to really put on the hurt when you make them move again (using the previously-spoiled United by NOLINKHate).
(0) Swift Raid [Raider]
Event • Response
If the fellowship moves, reveal your hand and the Free Peoples player's hand. Count the number of Wainriders in your hand and the number of Free Peoples cards in the Free Peoples player's hand. For each card counted in your hand more than the cards counted in his or her hand, discard a card from his or her hand.
"'And even as they fell they heard the rush of horsemen sweeping over the bridge...'"
M1R47
It's kind of convoluted, but the gist of the card is that you can "fight" with your Wainriders before the fellowship has even finished moving. And yes, this card could be used by any Shadow player to reveal the FP player's hand, but since that doesn't really mean anything on its own, I don't see a problem.
Now this next card is still more of a utility card...
(0) •From Lands of the White Sun [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
Each time your [Raider] mount is discarded, you may exert a Wainrider to stack that mount here.
While there are 3 cards stacked here, each Wainrider gains pillage [1].
Shadow: Discard a card from hand to play a card stacked here.
"'Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem.'"
M1U40
Since mounts are so vital to the Wainriders, I thought it best to include a stacking condition that could save them for later. It's a bit on the expensive side, so to counter-balance things a bit I wrote in the pillage text.
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[8] •Chieftain of Rhûn, Lord of the Tribes [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 15
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider. Dominate. Pillage 3.
Each time you play a [Raider] mount, draw a card.
Response: If another Wainrider wins a skirmish, exert Chieftain of Rhûn to play a [Raider] possession from your discard pile; it is twilight cost -2.
Taught the potency of Voice by Saruman, this lord of Men is a cunning leader, able to bend both mind and man.
M1R38
Coolio, though does he need to cost 8?
(0) Swift Raid [Raider]
Event • Response
If the fellowship moves, reveal your hand and the Free Peoples player's hand. Count the number of Wainriders in your hand and the number of Free Peoples cards in the Free Peoples player's hand. For each card counted in your hand more than the cards counted in his or her hand, discard a card from his or her hand.
"'And even as they fell they heard the rush of horsemen sweeping over the bridge...'"
M1R47
Couldnt this be rephrased "For each wainrider in your hand more than free peoples cards in the free peoples player's hand, discard a card from the free peoples hand." Neither is nice really but its just shorter and closer to what we are used to.
(0) •From Lands of the White Sun [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
Each time your [Raider] mount is discarded, you may exert a Wainrider to stack that mount here.
While there are 3 cards stacked here, each Wainrider gains pillage 1.
Shadow: Discard a card from hand to play a card stacked here.
"'Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem.'"
M1U40
How does this work in the regroup?
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Hmm, good point lemonbrain. There should be a "you choose to make" clause for the Horse. As for Dominate, Thranduil, I think you're right. Dominate shouldn't flat-out prevent all exertions; just exertions from the character being dominated should be blocked.
Today for Wainrider spoilers I've chosen three cards that just scream "Woah!!". So far I've stuck to showing you guys the core mechanics - the simple stuff.
[8] •Chieftain of Rhûn, Lord of the Tribes [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 15
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider. Dominate. Pillage 3.
Each time you play a [Raider] mount, draw a card.
Response: If another Wainrider wins a skirmish, exert Chieftain of Rhûn to play a [Raider] possession from your discard pile; it is twilight cost -2.
Taught the potency of Voice by Saruman, this lord of Men is a cunning leader, able to bend both mind and man.
M1R38
foine.
(0) Swift Raid [Raider]
Event • Response
If the fellowship moves, reveal your hand and the Free Peoples player's hand. Count the number of Wainriders in your hand and the number of Free Peoples cards in the Free Peoples player's hand. For each card counted in your hand more than the cards counted in his or her hand, discard a card from his or her hand.
"'And even as they fell they heard the rush of horsemen sweeping over the bridge...'"
M1R47
fine
(0) •From Lands of the White Sun [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
Each time your [Raider] mount is discarded, you may exert a Wainrider to stack that mount here.
While there are 3 cards stacked here, each Wainrider gains pillage 1.
Shadow: Discard a card from hand to play a card stacked here.
"'Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem.'"
M1U40
I think you are gonna find it really helpful if you include the italics text with keywords...it just gets to be a lot to remember...
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[8] •Chieftain of Rhûn, Lord of the Tribes [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 15
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider. Dominate. Pillage 3.
Each time you play a [Raider] mount, draw a card.
Response: If another Wainrider wins a skirmish, exert Chieftain of Rhûn to play a [Raider] possession from your discard pile; it is twilight cost -2.
Taught the potency of Voice by Saruman, this lord of Men is a cunning leader, able to bend both mind and man.
M1R38
Is there a particular reason why there is no choice whether you draw a card or not? The card is solid, I'm just wondering.
(0) Swift Raid [Raider]
Event • Response
If the fellowship moves, reveal your hand and the Free Peoples player's hand. Count the number of Wainriders in your hand and the number of Free Peoples cards in the Free Peoples player's hand. For each card counted in your hand more than the cards counted in his or her hand, discard a card from his or her hand.
"'And even as they fell they heard the rush of horsemen sweeping over the bridge...'"
M1R47
There doesn't seem to be a particular reason why this event can't just spot a [Raider] card to play, but whatever. It's interesting.
(0) •From Lands of the White Sun [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
Each time your [Raider] mount is discarded, you may exert a Wainrider to stack that mount here.
While there are 3 cards stacked here, each Wainrider gains pillage 1.
Shadow: Discard a card from hand to play a card stacked here.
"'Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem.'"
M1U40
This card is gooooood! :up:
How does this work in the regroup?
Presumably the Free Peoples player decides in which order the cards are discarded? Or all the cards are discarded at the same time? Either way, I don't think you can save your mounts. That would be my guess, anyway...
Thranduil
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[8] •Chieftain of Rhûn, Lord of the Tribes [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 15
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider. Dominate. Pillage 3.
Each time you play a [Raider] mount, draw a card.
Response: If another Wainrider wins a skirmish, exert Chieftain of Rhûn to play a [Raider] possession from your discard pile; it is twilight cost -2.
Taught the potency of Voice by Saruman, this lord of Men is a cunning leader, able to bend both mind and man.
M1R38
The card is awesome, but one note on pillage: I think it might be better to do it like ambush, meaning pillage [3] instead of pillage 3. Not a big deal, but makes more sense to me since it, like ambush, is adding twilight.
(0) Swift Raid [Raider]
Event • Response
If the fellowship moves, reveal your hand and the Free Peoples player's hand. Count the number of Wainriders in your hand and the number of Free Peoples cards in the Free Peoples player's hand. For each card counted in your hand more than the cards counted in his or her hand, discard a card from his or her hand.
"'And even as they fell they heard the rush of horsemen sweeping over the bridge...'"
M1R47
I'd prefer lem0n's suggested wording, but it's quite nice. :up: Or "noice", as SoP would put it.
(0) •From Lands of the White Sun [Raider]
Condition • Support Area
Each time your [Raider] mount is discarded, you may exert a Wainrider to stack that mount here.
While there are 3 cards stacked here, each Wainrider gains pillage 1.
Shadow: Discard a card from hand to play a card stacked here.
"'Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem.'"
M1U40
Nifty!
As for the regroup question, I think all minions (and their mounts) are discarded simultaniously as far as rules go, so there's no way to save them with this card. That's what I THINK, but it might be good to get birthday boy bib or someone to answer more definitively.
Assuming this does NOT work with regroup discarding, I'd recommend creating a card (an event would probably be best) that saved mounts discarded in regroup.
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I'd agree with Dain's suggestions.
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Good call on rephrasing Swift Raid, lemon. I'm not sure how I didn't write it that way the first time, but these things happen. And I've got to say the same thing regarding your point on Pillage, Dain. An obvious thing to do.
As for From Lands of the White Sun, it's not meant to be a 'catch all, play all' card for [Raider] mounts. There are other means for recycling the ponies; this particular card is a good "economy" card that does an important function without being rare.
Today I think is the last of Wainrider cards for a while, since there's little more to show besides a few minions here and there. But let's start with this:
(0) Broad-shield [Raider]
Possession • Shield
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Bearer may not take wounds (except during a skirmish).
Skirmish: Remove [2] to make a companion skirmishing bearer strength -1 (limit -3).
Only the strongest, most hardy of warriors could bear such a shield.
M1U33
Doesn't really play a significant function in any of what Wainriders excel at, but is one of the only defensive measures available to them. Plus, along with pillage (adding twilight for winning skirmishes) you can squeeze out a little bit of strength reducing.
While we're on the subject of shields...
[2] Chariot Shielder [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 6
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider.
Skirmish: Remove [2] to transfer a possession borne by this minion to another eligible bearer.
Riding at the front of each chariot was a pair of dark-hearted shield-bearers. Their strength and courage brought other riders safely into battle.
M1C37
Won't always be useful, but let's say the Shielder has the mount that grants dominate, or maybe flanking, or even a pillage bonus, and it's obvious to you that the Shielder won't be able to use those talents. Simply move the possession elsewhere and put it to better use.
Now here are three more cards, but you only need to read one of them!
[3] Variag Assaulter [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 9
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"'...and they laughed when they looked on us...'"
M1C52
[4] Variag Charger [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 10
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"'...being now driven to the brink, turned at bay... for they were a great army still.'"
M1C53
[2] Variag Rider [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 8
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"Some now hastened up behind the Rohirrim, others held westward to hold off the forces of Gondor and prevent their joining with Rohan."
M1C54
All right. There is just a small handful of cards left to show for these fellas, which I'll hold off on now until a later time. For now, look for my other thread where you can vote for the next round of spoilers.
Thanks for all the reviews so far. I still don't have internet of my own which is why I'm only on like every other day and only long enough to post new cards. I've got three days off this next week, and I'll try really hard to get online and take a look at what you guys are doing in your own sets. I'm sure it's good!
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Good call on rephrasing Swift Raid, lemon. I'm not sure how I didn't write it that way the first time, but these things happen. And I've got to say the same thing regarding your point on Pillage, Dain. An obvious thing to do.
As for From Lands of the White Sun, it's not meant to be a 'catch all, play all' card for [Raider] mounts. There are other means for recycling the ponies; this particular card is a good "economy" card that does an important function without being rare.
Today I think is the last of Wainrider cards for a while, since there's little more to show besides a few minions here and there. But let's start with this:
(0) Broad-shield [Raider]
Possession • Shield
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Bearer may not take wounds (except during a skirmish).
Skirmish: Remove [2] to make a companion skirmishing bearer strength -1 (limit -3).
Only the strongest, most hardy of warriors could bear such a shield.
M1U33
maybe limit -2...
While we're on the subject of shields...
[2] Chariot Shielder [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 6
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider.
Skirmish: Remove [2] to transfer a possession borne by this minion to another eligible bearer.
Riding at the front of each chariot was a pair of dark-hearted shield-bearers. Their strength and courage brought other riders safely into battle.
M1C37
I wonder, maybe cut vitality to 1-2 and cost to 1 makes things interesting
[3] Variag Assaulter [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 9
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"'...and they laughed when they looked on us...'"
M1C52
fine
[4] Variag Charger [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 10
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"'...being now driven to the brink, turned at bay... for they were a great army still.'"
M1C53
fine
[2] Variag Rider [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 8
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"Some now hastened up behind the Rohirrim, others held westward to hold off the forces of Gondor and prevent their joining with Rohan."
M1C54
fine why is it 2 though?
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(0) Broad-shield [Raider]
Possession • Shield
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Bearer may not take wounds (except during a skirmish).
Skirmish: Remove [2] to make a companion skirmishing bearer strength -1 (limit -3).
Only the strongest, most hardy of warriors could bear such a shield.
M1U33
Fair enough. Maybe should be [1] or [2] with a possible reduction like Pavise.
[2] Chariot Shielder [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 6
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider.
Skirmish: Remove [2] to transfer a possession borne by this minion to another eligible bearer.
Riding at the front of each chariot was a pair of dark-hearted shield-bearers. Their strength and courage brought other riders safely into battle.
M1C37
Fun!
[3] Variag Assaulter [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 9
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"'...and they laughed when they looked on us...'"
M1C52
[4] Variag Charger [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 10
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"'...being now driven to the brink, turned at bay... for they were a great army still.'"
M1C53
[2] Variag Rider [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 8
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"Some now hastened up behind the Rohirrim, others held westward to hold off the forces of Gondor and prevent their joining with Rohan."
M1C54
Tis good, but I think the [4] should have strength 11.
Thranduil
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(0) Broad-shield [Raider]
Possession • Shield
Bearer must be a Wainrider.
Bearer may not take wounds (except during a skirmish).
Skirmish: Remove [2] to make a companion skirmishing bearer strength -1 (limit -3).
Only the strongest, most hardy of warriors could bear such a shield.
M1U33
Nice, silly power but i like it.
[2] Chariot Shielder [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 6
Vitality 3
Site Number 5
Wainrider.
Skirmish: Remove [2] to transfer a possession borne by this minion to another eligible bearer.
Riding at the front of each chariot was a pair of dark-hearted shield-bearers. Their strength and courage brought other riders safely into battle.
M1C37
Id remove 1 as he doesnt do anything else.
[3] Variag Assaulter [Raider]
Minion • Man
Strength 9
Vitality 2
Site Number 5
Wainrider. When you play this minion, you may play a [Raider] mount on him from your discard pile.
"'...and they laughed when they looked on us...'"
M1C52
Yeah ok.