The Last Homely House
Undying Lands => Valinor => Topic started by: Legion on June 09, 2013, 10:12:25 AM
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Hi everyone! I'm wondering why the starter decks on Gemp are different to the ones in real life. There are several discrepancies between the decks I've opened for Sealed Leagues and the physical cards I received when I opened real starters. Some of them are really quite big changes, too.
For example, the Eomer starter from RotK has a copy of Gandalf, Defender of the West, but no Elite Rider. The Boromir deck in Bloodlines had no Dagger Strike, and the Arwen one had no Elven Bow. Those cards aren't even in the correct set. I'm not complaining as such, but I do feel that if the cards have been changed to make a deck more viable, (which seems to be the case), there really should be somewhere that prints all of the changes, so we can take them into account.
Also, if this is about viability, why does the Faramir Ents of Fangorn starter still have all the useless copies of Kill Them Now? I am of the opinion that that has the worst match-up of any deck to its counterpart (The Witch King), so if any deck really needs changes, that surely should be one (even if it is just swapping them for the only slightly less useless Wolf Voices).
If people want me to do so, I'll post all the decks that Gemp use on this thread, but if nobody else cares, I won't. It was just a little frustrating to pull a Citadel to Gate for the Movie Sealed Block, only to open my Eomer starter to find no Gandalf, and I'd rather not have surprises like that in the future.
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The gondorian lists are for the paper starters. The digital ones had extra cards added to make them legal decks for LotR Online and those are what are in use here.
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Legion, it would be nice to see the sealed starter list. I would like to see the list if you want to post it.
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I have found this page that lists all the starter decks for online cards. Here's a link.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/921814-the-lord-of-the-rings-online-trading-card-game/faqs/39070
Hope it helps.
I will highlight the differences between these and the original starters a bit later.
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Set 01:
Gandalf:
+2 Hobbit Intuition
+1 Mysterious Wizard
+1 Noble intentions
+1 Sleep, Caradhras
+1 Sorry About Everything
+1 Goblin Marksman
+1 Goblin Runner
+1 Goblin Patrol Troop
+1 Goblin Scimitar
+1 Host of Thousands
Aragorn:
+1 Armor
+1 Gondor's Vengeance
+2 Hobbit Intuition
+1 Rosie Cotton
+1 Uruk Brood
+1 Uruk Rager
+1 Uruk Savage
+1 Uruk Shaman
+1 Uruk Slayer
+1 Uruk Soldier
Set 02:
Gandalf:
+2 Hobbit Intuition
+1 Strength of Spirit x4
+1 Intimidate x3
+2 Mysterious Wizard
+1 Goblin Pursuer
+1 Goblin Spearman
+1 Goblin Scavengers
+1 Goblin Spear
+1 Host of Thousands
Gimli:
+2 Hobbit Intuition
+1 Hobbit Sword
+1 Flurry of Blows
+1 Lord of Moria
+1 Axe Strike
+1 Orc Scout
+1 Orc Ambusher
+1 Orc Assassin
+1 Vile Blade
+1 Mordor's Strength
Set 03:
Legolas:
+1 Defiance
+1 Frying Pan
+1 Galdor
+2 Hobbit Intuition
+1 Hosts of the Last Alliance
+1 Uruk Savage
+1 Uruk Scout
+2 Uruk-hai Raiding Party
+1 Uruk-hai Sword
Boromir:
+1 Boromir's Cloak
+1 Flee in Terror
+1 Gimli, Dwarf of Erebor
+2 Hobbit Intuition
+1 Seek and Hide
+1 Orc Butcher
+1 Orc Scimitar
+1 Orc Swordsman
+1 Orc Warrior
+1 Spies of Mordor
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Set 04:
Aragorn:
+1 Aragorn, Wingfoot
+1 Best Company
+3 Knocked on the Head
+1 Valor
+1 Dunlending Brigand
+1 Dunlending Madman
+1 Dunlending Pillager
+1 Dunlending Robber
+1 Dunlending Savage
Theoden: (Note this deck is not 30/30, but 31/29 in the online version)
+2 An Honorable Charge
+1 Théoden, Lord of the Mark
+2 Well Stored
+1 Guma
+1 Weland
+1 Orthanc Warrior
+1 Uruk Defender
+1 Uruk Fanatic
+1 Uruk Stalker
Set 05:
Eowyn:
+1 Armory
+1 Arrow-slits
+1 Ecglaf
+1 Severed His Bonds
+1 Sigewulf
+1 Isengard Rider
+1 Warg-master
+1 Warg
+1 War-warg
+2 Isengard Scimitar
Legolas:
+1 Gimli, Unbidden Guest
+1 Lórien Swordsman
+1 Valor
+1 Khazâd Ai Menu
+1 Severed His Bonds
+1 Southron Marcher
+1 Southron Traveller
+1 Southron Runner
+2 Desert Soldier
+1 Desert Warrior
Set 06:
The Witch King:
+2 Boomed and Trumpeted
+2 Ent Moot
+1 Roused
+1 Severed His Bonds
+1 Gate Trooper
+1 Gate Veteran
+1 Orc Insurgent
+1 Úlairë Lemenya, Winged Hunter
+1 Úlairë Nertëa, Winged Hunter
Faramir:
+1 Garrison of Osgiliath
+1 Perilous Ventures
+2 Ranger's Bow
+1 Severed His Bonds
+1 War and Valor
+1 Isengard Artisan
+2 Isengard Journeyman
+1 Isengard Plodder
+1 Isengard Tinker
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Set 07:
Aragorn: (Note this deck is 31/31 in the online version)
+2 Aragorn, Driven by Need
+1 City of Men
+2 Pippin, Sworn to Service
+1 Faramir, Stout Captain
+1 Great Gate
+1 Knight's Spear
+1 Desert Fighter
+1 Desert Villain
+1 Mûmakil of the Harad
+1 Southron Captain
+1 War Towers
Eomer: (Note this deck is 31/31 in the online version)
-1 Gandalf, Defender of the West
+1 Merry, Rohirrim Squire
+2 Elite Rider
+2 Knights of His House
+1 Long Spear
-1 Rohirrim Guard
+1 Swift Steed
+2 Wind in His Face
+1 Anguish
+1 Mordor Defender
+1 Mordor Regular
+1 Orc Officer
+2 Orc Savage
Set 08:
Merry:
+1 Rohirrim Javelin
+1 White Hot Fury
+2 Swift Steed
+2 They Sang As They Slew
+1 Morgul Predator
+3 Morgul Whelp
+1 Morgul Axe
Pippin:
+1 Sixth Level
+3 Man The Walls
+1 Long Prepared
+3 Mumakil x 3
+2 Line of Defense
Set 10:
Frodo:
+1 Intimidate
+1 All Save One
+1 Hobbit Sword
+1 Noble Intentions
+1 Swept Away
+1 Spectral Sword
+1 Ten Times Outnumbered
+2 Morgul Hound
+1 Morgul Lackey
+1 Morgul Axe
Sam:
+2 We Shall Meet Again Soon
+2 Closer And Closer He Bent
+1 Orc Armor
+1 Chance Observation
+2 Mordor Defender
+1 Mordor Veteran
+2 Gollum, Vile Creature
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Set 11:
Aragorn:
+1 Sam, Steadfast Friend
+3 Much-needed Rest
+2 Incognito
+3 Frenzied Orc
+2 Demoralized
Eowyn:
+1 Rohirrim Mount
+3 Riding Like the Wind
+2 Rush of Steeds
+3 Overpowering Uruk
+2 Our Foes Are Weak
Gandalf:
+2 Inspiration
+1 Prolonged Struggle
+3 Crouched Down
+1 Úlairë Nertëa, Ninth of the Nine Riders
+1 Riders in Black
+1 Hatred Stirred
+2 Dark Wings
Legolas:
+1 Farin, Emissary of Erebor
+1 Axe of Khazad-dûm
+1 Farewell to Lórien
+2 Dwarven Embassy
+1 Fallen Lord
+3 Column of Easterlings
+2 Fearsome Dunlending
I will post the Black Rider listings when I find the originals, along with Bloodlines
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Thnx Legion very helpful!
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Thanx Legion for that!
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The changes to the set 13 (Bloodlines) decks are:
Boromir:
+1 Tolman Cotton (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr12133)
+1 Armor of the Citadel (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr11055)
+2 Dagger Strike (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr07084)
+2 Faith in Friendship (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr13147)
+2 Bring Down The Wall (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr13082)
+3 Wrathfull Hillman (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr12078)
Arwen
+1 Lorien Protector (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr13020)
+2 Crashing Cavalry (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr13013)
+1 Kindreds Estranged (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr13017)
+2 Elven Bow (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr04062)
+1 Orc Plains Runner (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr13114)
+2 Underdeeps Denizen (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr13119)
+2 Always Threatening (http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/lotr13103)
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Just so people are aware, I put up the starter decklists from what was compiled for GCCG at http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/starter_pack . I also have the lists from LotR-TCG-O, if those would be helpful.