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Title: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on October 04, 2013, 05:33:16 PM
I wasn't sure if I should open another thread to make it more visible or post it here. I'll try it here.
Please RESET  "my cards" and REMOVE singles. I think it's gotten a bit out of hand.

"[Oct 5 01:40:38] dmaz: as of this morning I had opened a total of 2,200 packs and only pulled 12 brutes"

This is just one of many examples.
People aren't supposed to afford 2,200 packs, but with this infinity circle, he and others can keep buying boosters forever. This doesn't only ruin for a majority of the players (those who aren't interested in the my cards-genre) but it also ruins for those who care about my cards and don't want to apply the same methods, as it's broken and pretty much makes it the same as all cards.

I know that the same people will complain about this "I want to keep my virtual tengwars that I achieved from playing my top tier deck achieved from abusing a broken merchant".. well - take a screenshot of it, keep it as ur avatar or whatever, nobody cares about how many tournaments people have won anyway, honestly. This way you can keep bragging rights if u feel like its absolutely neccessary.

I know I'll prolly have alot of people against me on this one, but please add ur thoughts here.

And I apologize for any spelling or grammar errors, It's not my first language.

UPC

Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: CoS on October 04, 2013, 05:41:31 PM
Set up a poll.  I'd vote to forfeit my 15-16 odd tengwar and my 134554 gold to have a reset and a merchant that did NOT sell singles did NOT buy singles and did not allow people to "buy" foils....

this would be the best for both the site as well as the community (although many who have built up their collections since the reset earlier in the year would probably not be willing to do it for a 3rd time)
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on October 04, 2013, 05:54:38 PM
Set up a poll.  I'd vote to forfeit my 15-16 odd tengwar and my 134554 gold to have a reset and a merchant that did NOT sell singles did NOT buy singles and did not allow people to "buy" foils....

this would be the best for both the site as well as the community (although many who have built up their collections since the reset earlier in the year would probably not be willing to do it for a 3rd time)

Added a poll, tell me if there's any other options ya'll would like in there.
I'm one of those who has been around since before the last reset, and I agree with what you say.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Air Power on October 04, 2013, 06:04:34 PM
Is there an option to not sell singles, but still allow us to "upgrade" foils?  Is trading 4 for a foil itself somehow abusive?
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: CoS on October 04, 2013, 08:11:40 PM
Trading 4 cards for foils is one of the major reasons that the price of some sought after cards are so expensive. Also foiling cards detracts from the true rarity and prestige of actually pulled pack foils.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Skeeve on October 04, 2013, 08:19:17 PM
Vote No.  And turn off singles.  My collection is the most painfully gathered, and a work of art and hard work.  It is not finished, and I have avoided the merchant since this fiasco started.  I also pushed for singles to be turned off before the last reset.

I pulled my one S card by accident, since I cannot open non-expanded boosters from prize support (some non-expanded commons I cannot sell, and foiling them is too expensive).  I wish I could undo it.

A Reset would have to have some bonus tho, like one of every starter, then yer 50 gold to join leagues or buy boosters.

MarcinS should allow people to keep their collections with a gold reset (and singles turned off) for a donation of $50 or something.  I would pay it.  You can even reset my 45 gold.

Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on October 05, 2013, 07:05:47 AM
Vote No.  And turn off singles.  My collection is the most painfully gathered, and a work of art and hard work.  It is not finished, and I have avoided the merchant since this fiasco started.  I also pushed for singles to be turned off before the last reset.

I pulled my one S card by accident, since I cannot open non-expanded boosters from prize support (some non-expanded commons I cannot sell, and foiling them is too expensive).  I wish I could undo it.

A Reset would have to have some bonus tho, like one of every starter, then yer 50 gold to join leagues or buy boosters.

MarcinS should allow people to keep their collections with a gold reset (and singles turned off) for a donation of $50 or something.  I would pay it.  You can even reset my 45 gold.



Just reseting the gold would be useless since those who achieved infinite gold already has every card available through this "abuse", and then it wouldn't really change anything at all. Or well it would make it even harder for others to catch up.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Skeeve on October 05, 2013, 11:49:33 AM
Resetting the gold will keep people from opening 300 packs in 300 seconds, and foiling which drives up prices (which won't be a problem if the merchant singles are removed).  However, opening of many many packs will still happen until the gold is depleted.  For some, that might be a long time.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Eukalyptus on October 06, 2013, 12:33:53 AM
Voted no. Though I would be for a removal of the foil option.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: ramolnar on October 12, 2013, 10:43:20 PM
No. If "My Cards" is to be a viable option, and not just Super Sealed, there has to be a way to acquire cards to build decent decks. Trading is complicated and would lead to puppet accounts, so that means buying singles.

This has been a fascinating study in economic markets. I believe the economic problem is not buying singles. It's being able to sell singles for really high prices, and really high buy prices. If the cost of a booster pack is 10 gold, which was about US$3 in real life, the cost of the most expensive rare should never be above 500 gold, the equivalent of US$150. In Magic, Jace the Mind Sculptor costs about $100, and he's a relatively better card than anything in LotR.

As others have mentioned, the foil option also acts as a card sink. If I recall, hsiale and MarcinS were terrified of inflation and made a lot of card sinks. The December 2012 price reset was supposed to fix things, but not having a price cap led to scarce lottery tickets.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: argyles on October 14, 2013, 09:49:09 AM
First of all i dont think the reset at dec 2012 fixed a lot of things .
what i would like to see is :

a ) reset all the collections ( excluding the tengwar cards but if this is not possible i wouldnt care a lot of the greater good )
b ) remove the buying / selling single cards , impletement ONLY buying starters / boosters.
c ) at every new account ( plus of course the ones that got reseted from a option ) give 1 starter from each collection + a couple of boosters from each collection ( 5 i think should be enouph ) .
d ) keep the 50 weekly gold thingy .
e ) keep the same prizes from tournaments .
f ) foils should come only from boosters
g ) remove the entrance fee for my cards tournaments .

a should fix the exploited mofos who abused the system .
b should fix the future tries of those mofos + it would feel again like opening a booster like old times .
c should give a start to all players and new ones who will come at the future . People who are playing this game for more time as time passes will have a better collection (like it supposed to be ) BUT not having everything they want and a new player could challenge them to a fair point.
f should give the foils the rarity they should have + will make the tournament prizes making more sence.
ps : sorry for my bad english  . pizza_fan aka argyles here
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Not a Zombie on October 15, 2013, 07:45:33 AM
^ Agreed. Whenever singles can be sold, my cards tourneys just turn into constructed, at least for those who have been around enough. Then anyone new just gets blown away at every turn.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on October 17, 2013, 12:50:03 PM
^ Agreed. Whenever singles can be sold, my cards tourneys just turn into constructed, at least for those who have been around enough. Then anyone new just gets blown away at every turn.

This is very true. I  agree with pretty much everything pizza_fan wrote aswell, even though tengwars obviously must go away aswell, or else those players would be given an extremely huge edge when restarting (unless they were only available for show in like all cards or so.)

And I know that 11 > 8, but I still think there's enough reasons to make a reset come through by now. I don't see any argument going against it.
I see people who explained why they vote no, even though their explanation instead suggest a reset would be the best thing.


UPC
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: bign19 on October 21, 2013, 07:17:11 PM
I would love a reset and only opening packs. I see all cards and my cards tournaments as the same thing. Argyles has great ideas.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: nicociacco on October 22, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
Voted NO. price cup and gold reset will be enough. Also not allowed foiling.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on October 22, 2013, 01:42:49 PM
Voted NO. price cup and gold reset will be enough. Also not allowed foiling.
What exactly will a gold reset help? The people that have already abused this merchant then gets an even bigger advantage. The things you mention are good, but they are only useful if the collections are reset aswell.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: sgtdraino on October 23, 2013, 05:53:29 AM
I voted NO. In general, I agree with ramolnar:

No. If "My Cards" is to be a viable option, and not just Super Sealed, there has to be a way to acquire cards to build decent decks. Trading is complicated and would lead to puppet accounts, so that means buying singles.

The real underlying problem was also identified by ramolnar:

The December 2012 price reset was supposed to fix things, but not having a price cap led to scarce lottery tickets.

"Farming Gold" is a violation of the Code of Conduct. If people are doing that to abusive levels, then their collections are the only ones that need to be reset.

I would be in favor of doing away with the foil exchange, for the simple reason that I find them annoying to look at, and when a player is using a LOT of them, it slows down the connection speed.

Other than that, I favor price caps. Just set the system so no card can ever cost more than 100g, and I think the problem will be largely solved.

ETA: and put Hunters starters in the merchant, dangit!
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Eukalyptus on October 23, 2013, 08:47:43 AM
Farming gold refers to the action of doing so by multiple accounts. Opening packs to get and sell specific cards is not. You guys like to forget that all too easily.

I've sent those starters about five weeks ago to MarcinS in coded form. That nothing happened since then should speak for itself. All you're doing here is discussing a hypothetical scenario that will most likely never happen.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on October 24, 2013, 01:09:41 PM
I voted NO. In general, I agree with ramolnar:

"Farming Gold" is a violation of the Code of Conduct. If people are doing that to abusive levels, then their collections are the only ones that need to be reset.

I would be in favor of doing away with the foil exchange, for the simple reason that I find them annoying to look at, and when a player is using a LOT of them, it slows down the connection speed.

Other than that, I favor price caps. Just set the system so no card can ever cost more than 100g, and I think the problem will be largely solved.

ETA: and put Hunters starters in the merchant, dangit!

What you should vote then is Yes :) Thats just a reset with the merchant staying put.
Thats why theres 2 different kind of "yes"
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: sgtdraino on October 26, 2013, 02:35:39 PM
Farming gold refers to the action of doing so by multiple accounts. Opening packs to get and sell specific cards is not. You guys like to forget that all too easily.

IMO any abusive exploiting of the merchant system in order to gain gold should qualify as "farming gold."

What you should vote then is Yes :) Thats just a reset with the merchant staying put.
Thats why theres 2 different kind of "yes"

I don't want to vote yes, because I don't believe that My Cards should be reset for everybody, just for people abusing the system.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: bibfortuna25 on October 26, 2013, 07:33:34 PM
It's not abusive if you're following the rules, though. I gained the large amounts of gold I have by selling cards when I noticed their prices had skyrocketed. Then I used that gold to buy several hundred packs and flesh out my collection. There's nothing wrong with taking advantage like that. I earned my cards the legit way.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Eukalyptus on October 26, 2013, 10:07:28 PM
I earned my cards the legit way.
As did everyone pulling S foils.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on October 29, 2013, 05:56:48 PM
Farming gold refers to the action of doing so by multiple accounts. Opening packs to get and sell specific cards is not. You guys like to forget that all too easily.

IMO any abusive exploiting of the merchant system in order to gain gold should qualify as "farming gold."

What you should vote then is Yes :) Thats just a reset with the merchant staying put.
Thats why theres 2 different kind of "yes"

I don't want to vote yes, because I don't believe that My Cards should be reset for everybody, just for people abusing the system.


Alright I see where ur coming from then, fair enough.
Even though I believe that would be pretty hard to tell who's been abusing it and who hasn't. Especially as people seem to think it's ok selling a card for a sick overprice, just because its possible, despite knowing they are not nearly worth that much.
It's created a huge inflation.

Let's say I win a sealed league, I get 60 boosters. There's prolly like 20 players or so, many of them mediocre in terms of league wins, who can afford to get 5000 boosters.

It just surprises me that so many people think this is fine. It's not a very popular game, and ur killing all competition of what's supposed to be a "clone-mode" of the irl-game.


EDIT: I messed up the quoting, was supposed to quote sgtdraino.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: FrodosCousin on October 31, 2013, 11:50:16 AM
I have a different perspective than many of you because I never play in tourneys and only play in sealed leagues.  My friend and I play on this site almost exclusively with each other because it is the best way to virtually recreate the weekly in-house game nights we used to have during the heyday of the game (and before I moved 1500 miles away).  The 50 gold per week works great for us as we get 5 packs per week to add to our my cards collections.  We never buy singles directly. Since we can't trade cards between us the way we used to, though, I will sell a card to the merchant and he will buy it, and vice versa, to mimic a trade.  If you reset collections...we have worked for months to build up a still small collection, and we talk for hours about which sets we plan to buy with next week's gold.  You guys are worried about the impact of My Cards abusers on leagues, tourneys, and the price of singles because of foiling...these things are problems.  But, please don't forget that there are some of us who just like the fact that we can slowly build a collection and play games like we are really in a local play group.  While we don't buy singles, we do use the merchant as a proxy for trading.  So, I suggest the following alternatives to your plans:

a) When accounts are signed up (or reset), have users select whether they want a singles account OR a trading account.  Singles accounts can't trade, and trading accounts can't buy singles.  While it's true that some dummy accounts might allow traders to take the best cards from a number of accounts and ship them all to a single account, if you can't buy/sell singles, this will be limited to only those cards gotten from 50 gold/week and prizes, so not too bad.  Plus, this is what my friends and I did for real-world tournaments back in the day...we all loaned each other all our best cards for tourneys.

b) Create a 3rd play environment (it could even be a very long-term league) where every 2 months, a new set is "released" to the environment.  Thus, even if a player successfully gets "all" the current cards through some system manipulation, there will be new cards to collect every couple of months.  This is also just like it used to be in the real world.  I never had all the cards, but close to a new set's release I would have finally collected enough cards to play well (while my neighbor got every card within a few weeks).  But, there was always a "reset" of sorts because the new cards would change everything.   I would definitely play in this environment because the "newness" wouldn't wear off for long but would get recycled every 8 weeks or so.  BTW, it might be interesting to mix up the cards into different fake "sets" so that each time we do this, we are not sure which of the existing cards are going to show up in which of the new releases every 2 months.  Could be fun.

Just a different perspective that may or may not add any value.
Adam (CaveTroll)
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Eukalyptus on October 31, 2013, 12:01:29 PM
I have a different perspective than many of you because I never play in tourneys and only play in sealed leagues.
Funny, UPC says so, too ^^
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on October 31, 2013, 05:02:15 PM

Funny, UPC says so, too ^^

What's funny, and when did I say that? I said that I'll stop playing mycards because of this, because its pretty much like all cards already. Instead of adding these perky comments, can't u provide us with an explanation on why u voted no?
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on October 31, 2013, 05:16:43 PM
I have a different perspective than many of you because I never play in tourneys and only play in sealed leagues.  My friend and I play on this site almost exclusively with each other because it is the best way to virtually recreate the weekly in-house game nights we used to have during the heyday of the game (and before I moved 1500 miles away).  The 50 gold per week works great for us as we get 5 packs per week to add to our my cards collections.  We never buy singles directly. Since we can't trade cards between us the way we used to, though, I will sell a card to the merchant and he will buy it, and vice versa, to mimic a trade.  If you reset collections...we have worked for months to build up a still small collection, and we talk for hours about which sets we plan to buy with next week's gold.  You guys are worried about the impact of My Cards abusers on leagues, tourneys, and the price of singles because of foiling...these things are problems.  But, please don't forget that there are some of us who just like the fact that we can slowly build a collection and play games like we are really in a local play group.  While we don't buy singles, we do use the merchant as a proxy for trading.  So, I suggest the following alternatives to your plans:

a) When accounts are signed up (or reset), have users select whether they want a singles account OR a trading account.  Singles accounts can't trade, and trading accounts can't buy singles.  While it's true that some dummy accounts might allow traders to take the best cards from a number of accounts and ship them all to a single account, if you can't buy/sell singles, this will be limited to only those cards gotten from 50 gold/week and prizes, so not too bad.  Plus, this is what my friends and I did for real-world tournaments back in the day...we all loaned each other all our best cards for tourneys.

b) Create a 3rd play environment (it could even be a very long-term league) where every 2 months, a new set is "released" to the environment.  Thus, even if a player successfully gets "all" the current cards through some system manipulation, there will be new cards to collect every couple of months.  This is also just like it used to be in the real world.  I never had all the cards, but close to a new set's release I would have finally collected enough cards to play well (while my neighbor got every card within a few weeks).  But, there was always a "reset" of sorts because the new cards would change everything.   I would definitely play in this environment because the "newness" wouldn't wear off for long but would get recycled every 8 weeks or so.  BTW, it might be interesting to mix up the cards into different fake "sets" so that each time we do this, we are not sure which of the existing cards are going to show up in which of the new releases every 2 months.  Could be fun.

Just a different perspective that may or may not add any value.
Adam (CaveTroll)


The first idea looks like no-go to me , because it would limit an already very limited "my-cards-scene", even though I can see where ur coming from.

A reset and a restart without singles though, would be close to what u've been doing, even though I realize that you'll have to restart ur collection again, which sucks if you're playing the way you are currently. Maybe you could get into the mycards scene then as it would be more of what it was like in real life?

The 2nd idea is interesting imo, but it would probably be difficult to apply.

All ideas are welcome, so ur perspective definitely adds some value :)
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Valtor on November 01, 2013, 11:25:40 AM
OK UPC. I have been giving this some thought. Here goes.

Opinions on whether there should be a reset are subjective and necessarily coloured by personal experience, so here is mine so far. I can't remember exactly when I joined the site, but I played my first casual game in May 2013. At that time I couldn't see the point in My Cards (MyC). Several casual games later I could see the point!

So I started spending my 50g per week pocket money on MyC starting 29 July. On good advice, I did not buy, and have never bought, any boosters; only singles. Joined the July/Aug TT Sealed, won some boosters. Joined the single serie MyC King Standard league in August with a poor but cheap Ent Berserker deck; won some more boosters. And so on.

All boosters opened as set 1, FotR. Decided what races to collect. Sold the rares I did not want. Bought the rares I wanted. Sold the rares I DID want if their price was high. Bought them back later when the price was lower. Sold rares I used in the Movie Block League that would not be useable in the FotR League; bought rares that would be useable.

So, 3 months on I have a viable rainbow/nazgul FotR deck. Played it in serie 1 and 2 of the current MyC There And Back Again Part 1 League.

All possible due to MarcinS merchant. Buy boosters. Sell and buy singles. So far as I am concerned, there is nothing "broken" about the merchant. It works fine. The fact that the popular rares are higher priced than the average, and the useless rares price at 0.02 gold each, is to be expected.

I anticipate there are a lot of MyC players with an experience similar to mine. Many also play in the Dailys or the single elimination tournaments. I can't do that. Anyway, all a reset would do is obliterate the MyC we have all collected and force us all to start again. As presumably happened in the April 2013 reset. No doubt many will not be prepared to put in the effort to do that, especially if the singles market is deleted. I'll come on to that.

It seems some players have very large amounts of gold. Presumably from opening Hunters and RoS boosters and being lucky enough to get S cards worth a lot of gold. I'll come on to that as well. [According to one member, the chances of finding an S in a Hunters (I think it was) booster is 0.083%.] At least some of those players have used that gold to buy boosters and sell the rares back to the merchant.

No doubt the S lottery winners have/can have all the cards they want. Well what's fun about that? Their collecting days are ended. They have my sympathy rather than my envy.

I'll do a separate post on the reset idea.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Valtor on November 02, 2013, 10:53:01 AM
I am relatively new here (see above), so with all due respect to the more experienced members my own view is that:

a) The ability to acquire 1 foil by trading in 4 non-foil cards should be removed
b) The S card lottery urgently needs to be fixed with S cards made available in merchant boosters and the crazy prices of certain Hunters and Rise of Saruman S cards reset to an appropriate level

but that:

c) singles should still be available for sale/purchase in the merchant;
d) all existing MyC collections should be left as they are - ie no reset of My Cards.

To explain, I cannot find a single reason given so far on this discussion that would justify a reset. The two complaints are that

(1) Some players who have won the S lottery have too much gold.
(2) Those players allegedly slow the site by mass opening of boosters

From what I have seen so far, complaint (2) is wholly speculative, in both its aspects. Game play lags - fact. The merchant never seems to. That is inconsistent with the idea that merchant activity is to blame for the lag. Noone knows whether mass booster opening coincides with lag - it is speculation. The gameplay lagged particularly badly for many hours during week commencing 28.10.13; the notion that someone(s) was mass opening boosters during that entire lag period seems fanciful imho. If (and unless) someone in a position  to verify it (ie MarcinS) agrees, (2) justifies nothing. So we are left with (1).

As to a) and b) above: The problem that UPC identifies in his OP (of some having too much gold, ie complaint (1)) is caused not by singles trading in MyC but by the S card lottery. The way to fix this is to remove the lottery.

The ability to buy foils seems undesireable, for several reasons. First, a foil should be a real find, one that is pulled from a booster, or won as a prize in a tournament, not simply "bought" by "wealthy" players. Second, the foiling system means that a MyC player interested in foiling is looking for 16 copies of each card, not 4. This, combined with the S card lottery, causes hyper-inflation of prices of popular rares, placing their purchase beyond the reach of many, if not most, MyC players.

These two issues are related. The huge amount of gold injected by each S lottery "win" unbalances the merchant's design equilibrium. The lottery winner can spend huge amounts of gold on foiling, or simply buying cards, thereby driving up prices and denuding the merchant of its stock.

c) and d) above: Even if some MyC players have all the cards, MyC is NOT the same as All Cards. Certain leagues/tournaments are only open to MyC players. The MyC players form a subset of the gemp community, identified by their interest in collecting cards as well as playing with those cards.
 
If  the singles market is removed, MyC will surely collapse as a playing option. The only players with useful MyC decks will be those who [can] play a lot of leagues/tournaments. Even they will not be able to obtain 4 copies of a given rare except by long (v-e-r-y long) passage of time and many thousands of games played.

In any event, if the collecting aspect of gemp MyC is to be retained, the singles merchant is necessary.

And there seems no point in being able to win/buy boosters unless there is an exchange mechanism, ie the singles merchant. Otherwise, how is anyone interested in collecting MyC to obtain 4 copies of any given rare? What is the point of preventing a player with 6 Aragorn's Bows (after opening, in theory, about 2,250 packs of FotR) from trading 2 of them for Flaming Brands of which he has none?

Voted no to reset.

But the S lottery and the foil purchase system should be fixed/withdrawn respectively.

For what it's worth. Sorry for length.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on November 02, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
@valtor
 "d) all existing MyC collections should be left as they are - ie no reset of My Cards."

So you want to remove the S-cards and the foil option, but dont think the collections need to be reset? (I mentioned many times how this doesn't make sense)
As someone said in the chat, in order to level the playing field, a reset is neccessary if these changes are to be made.
The insane amount of gold is not only because of S-foils, while they do ruin ALOT, some cards are, and some have been extremely overpriced. I dont think for example that a brute should cost 5000 that it has done at times, while a castamir costs 15.
For a while all fotr rares were 20+ gold pretty much, this happened because abuse of a broken merchant, by greedy people with alot of gold (or many accounts).

Anyway a reset of collections and keeping it selling singles with a set price of the rares (or atleast a cap) would be nice, but it would be alot of work.


EDIT: One of the key points for a reset is also that people don't want to play dailies anymore, because people are not in need of winning 10 boosters, since they can afford to get 2000. A reset would raise the activity of the my cards scene, even if it loses a few "virtual-gold-millionaires", who might give up when they have to play on equal terms.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: MR. Lurtzy on November 02, 2013, 06:17:02 PM
It is different because the S-foil cards don't exist in reality. They are essentially fanon cards that are ridiculously overpriced. They have no place being in GEMP. Removing them is not akin to removing anything else.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Legion on November 02, 2013, 06:24:21 PM
One thing-if the trade 4 for a foil option is removed, how am I supposed to get another foil tengwar Greenleaf?

On a slightly more serious note, nobody has said anything about the rare promos.  The Ghan-Buri-Ghan I won in a tournament has risen from about 4k to over 7k since I got him.  Stormcrow and the like are far more valuable (despite Wise Guide being almost indisputably better)-which would be enough to re-break the merchant if Hunters S cards get programmed in.  However I do like that they are hard to come by.

I say don't reset the cards.  Maybe reset the merchant prices (and possibly everyone's gold), and fix it so that fixed cards are either fixed price, or available from the starters.  That way those who have taken advantage are happy not to lose their collection, but there is a chance for those of us who have built their collections fairly.  Plus I keep my Foil Tengwar Legolas.

By the way, I have 4 more tengwar options that are perhaps a tad superfluous.  Any suggestions for a cool tengwar foil I can make?  Otherwise I may blow them on the coolest Reluctant Adventurer out there.  
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Eukalyptus on November 03, 2013, 03:26:04 AM
EDIT: One of the key points for a reset is also that people don't want to play dailies anymore, because people are not in need of winning 10 boosters, since they can afford to get 2000.
There are multiple reasons why ppl gave up on dailies: Playing unusual lengthy games against phone users, playing against multi-tablers, the gold o/c AND the prizes have been reduced (I mailed MarcinS about 1.5 months ago about a solution and you know what happened). Don't forget, that daily prizes were reduced because some ppl just joined to drop and cash in the packs (to the point that ALL participants dropped to score 10 - on multiple occasions). So I made the suggestion to MarcinS to reduce the prizes again. And he did, they are now the same as pre-reset. You just got used to top 8 prizes, is all.

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[...] who might give up when they have to play on equal terms.
Yeah, totally! I have no skill at all other then playing with high priced R cards. Darn, you got me there...

For the record: I am totally okay with certain cards being very high prized, as long as they aren't vital to any deck type. Brute is not vital to corruption, Morcs or anything else. Hides is vital to Dunland, Goblin Armory is vital to a point to Moria. Those cards should stay higher, but not crazy high. And if you think Movie Block is high priced, look at Expanded.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on November 03, 2013, 09:44:39 AM
@Legion
What point is there in a gold reset when people who have had infinite gold, already got all the cards?


"That way those who have taken advantage are happy not to lose their collection, but there is a chance for those of us who have built their collections fairly."
Why is it needed to keep those who apparently didn'd build their collections, happy? I don't think there should be any special notice taken for those who play the game "unfairly" as you say.

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Yeah, totally! I have no skill at all other then playing with high priced R cards. Darn, you got me there...


I didn't direct it towards you personally, but since you took it that way, there's probably some truth to it.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: dmaz on November 06, 2013, 05:39:08 AM
It really wouldn't bother me, whatever happens, reset or not.

I don't want to get involved in the argument, and I won't complain either way.

Whether or not people are "supposed" to have that much money isn't really the point, I think. I agree that it's kind of glitchy that pulling an S foil allowed me to buy that many packs, but the real point is, what are people doing with that money.

I have bought only one rare card (Ugluk, because I was bored of trying to get him in boosters) since I made that much money, and have only made foils from cards I pulled from boosters.

In fact, I only open boosters, primarily, to sell the high-value cards. I have sold every single brute, hides, etc, that I've opened among dozens of other expensive rares (28 Gondor Bowmen and 18 Sarumans, anyone?).

I think if more people did this, from time to time, with their money, there would be no reason for people to complain that the system is "broken".

But as for the reset - whatevs. I mostly enjoy the sealed anyway :)
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Legion on November 06, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
A reset would sadden me as my Promos for Tournament wins and Tengwars will be sorely missed.  However, I daresay that I would try to build my collection back anyway.  My FotR Pipe/Archery deck is quite cheap, really.  However, we've already had 1 reset.  This would be a second, and 3 would just be tiresome.  If it happens, I would rather get it right.  I believe that there would be no reason to stop the sale of singles provided the prices don't get out of control.  This would mean making Fixed cards and promos (Otherwise Ghan Buri Ghan is going to break it) either easily openable in packs (like an all set 0 option) or just off limits.  Or make them unsellable.  Nobody should be selling those extra rares, anyway.  I would accept the loss of my collection for this, but not twice.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: UnPapayaCoconut on November 07, 2013, 05:24:30 AM
A reset would sadden me as my Promos for Tournament wins and Tengwars will be sorely missed.  However, I daresay that I would try to build my collection back anyway.  My FotR Pipe/Archery deck is quite cheap, really.  However, we've already had 1 reset.  This would be a second, and 3 would just be tiresome.  If it happens, I would rather get it right.  I believe that there would be no reason to stop the sale of singles provided the prices don't get out of control.  This would mean making Fixed cards and promos (Otherwise Ghan Buri Ghan is going to break it) either easily openable in packs (like an all set 0 option) or just off limits.  Or make them unsellable.  Nobody should be selling those extra rares, anyway.  I would accept the loss of my collection for this, but not twice.

I see where ur coming from, and obviously a reset would need to fix these problems, not just reset and let them happen again, which is what happened from the previous "resets".

And on to dmaz - I'm not sure what to say. 28 gondor bowman, 18 saruman. Nice. Seems legit. Keep opening boosters, you have earned it.

"I think if more people did this, from time to time, with their money, there would be no reason for people to complain that the system is "broken"."
This quote just amazes me. What's broken to begin with is that you have that amount of "money"
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: sgtdraino on November 08, 2013, 11:12:45 AM
In fact, I only open boosters, primarily, to sell the high-value cards. I have sold every single brute, hides, etc, that I've opened among dozens of other expensive rares (28 Gondor Bowmen and 18 Sarumans, anyone?).

I think if more people did this, from time to time, with their money, there would be no reason for people to complain that the system is "broken".

I think the system will remain "broken" so long as there are no pricecaps, and no way to buy Hunters starters. In fact, for this (and other reasons), I've come to view "My Cards" as basically a rich man's game, with no real place for me. So, I guess I don't have strong feelings about a reset after all. What I DO have strong feelings about, is this:

I'm not sure who is doing it, but somebody has been causing the server to repeatedly crash this morning. Is there a way we can make it so either:

1) You can't open multiple packs at a time.
2) Opening multiple packs doesn't cause the server to freeze.

I think it is pretty clear at this point that any time there is a significant amount of pack opening going on, it REALLY jacks up the server. Makes it nearly impossible to play. If that problem can't be corrected, I'd be in favor of doing away with My Cards entirely, just to stop all that merchant activity from jacking up the server.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: daisukeman on December 09, 2013, 11:41:17 AM
I agree with sgtdraino..
I know the reset is coming, but we should try to think as well of contingency measures to avoid server lags.
So if the new merchant scheme solves it, great!

But I think additional measures should be included to prevent server lag (i.e, allow you to open 1 booster maximum per hour?) so that if anything goes odd and we couldn't anticipate to it, we can at least still game on.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Elfrond on January 08, 2014, 05:51:04 PM
Reset everything including the Tengwar cards.  The Tengwar would be a completely unfair advantage.  Many were gotten from abused means.  Get rid of the merchant except for selling cards at the proposed lowered rates.  That way my cards would be really fair.
Title: Re: and hes back on it... bring on a reset!
Post by: Merrick_H on January 09, 2014, 06:57:10 AM
Tengwar cards will be considered "Trophies" and the current plan is that they will be usable in All Cards games only.  This eliminates the "unfair advantage" aspect, but keeps the "WOW!" factor for those who want to show off.

Unless MarcinS gets busy again, the reset should happen this weekend.