The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Bag End => Topic started by: Smeagollum on October 11, 2008, 05:02:32 AM
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Hi People,
I'm not often on this site but a few weeks ago I promised to try to organize a Lotr Tournament in the hart of Middle-earth: Amsterdam ;D
I am planning the tournament the 7th of februari at de 2 klaveren in Amsterdam. If you come by car see following link for details: http://maps.google.nl/maps?hl=nl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=de+2+klaveren+amsterdam&fb=1&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=1&ct=image
If you come by train from Central station take tramnr 13, From Amstelstation take tramnr 12 and from Sloterdijk tramnr 14. Get out at stop "elizabeth wolfstraat" and walk towards the bridge. Adress: De Clercqstraat 136, 1052 NP Amsterdam? - 020 6189125?
What kind of tournament am I organizing: A special one ;)
The tournament will have 5 rounds and will be in blockformat! So that most cards will be playable! It's a funtournament, so although rules aply we play casual (I mean f somebody forgets something we are not to difficult, we play very relaxed in Amsterdam).
first round you'll need a deck from the fotr-block
Second round you'll need a deck from the TT-block
Third round you'll need a deck from fotr- and TT-block
Fourth round you'll need a deck from the Rotk-block (minus set 9!)
Fith round you'll need a deck from the film-block (minus set 9!)
Other Details!
1. There will be an admit one fee of 5 euro. This is because we will play in a commercial cafe and last time we organized a tournament over there everybody brought his own drinks and food and the owner of the cafe was not happy about that. For this admittance-fee you will get 2 cosumptions.
2. I am still working on Prize-support.
3. Judge is Marc Hameleers
4. For a few cards I want to have special rulling: Like Galadriel Lady redeemed: She can only do it at the start of the manouver or regroupphase and she need to exert once for it. Otherwise everyone will play elven :-S . If other people have ideas about this I'll be glad to hear this...
Kind regards,
Jan Willem
ps: can someone help me to get this topic sticked till february?
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So far no reactions?
Please let me know which date you people prefer?!
I already know what the 5th round will be: it will not be highlander, but a deck with only fotr and tt-block.
Does somebody have the erratalist for the separate blocks: For example: Ranger's versatility and Mirror of Galadriel?
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TT standard sounds cool, but too many people don't give hunter block a chance... :(
Hunter block would be so awesome. But then again, I'm exactly the opposite side of the world from you, and thus, my opinion doesn't matter.
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TT standard sounds cool, but too many people don't give hunter block a chance... :(
Hunter block would be so awesome. But then again, I'm exactly the opposite side of the world from you, and thus, my opinion doesn't matter.
I know that not much people give post filmblock a chance, but that is also because most old players stopped after Mount Doom. If you want to interest them then you need to play Filmblock. Nice thins of post Filmblock is the site-mechanism. On the other hand Filmblock is more balanced.
Nice thing with this tournament is you play 5 different decks. So you need really to be skilled in playing all kind of decks and it is not so that the peolpe who play meta with one deck absolutely win.
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I'm not a huge fan of block decks but I think I could make it the second week of February. My card collection is mostly standard but I'm sure I could whip some decks together by February.
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The Jord, if you're coming I will be there for sure!! I would come already, but the chance of meeting mister Evil of England himself...wow :)
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I could bring my Expanded Deck of Death and Doom :twisted:
Like I said, I dont have (m)any block decks. I will build some though, dont you worry GE.
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Now I feel a bit.. how do you say it... embarrest... I'm building 4 decks for every block.
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:o 4 for every block! Wow!
Now I definitely am coming
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Hi there!
I assure, you will have all my exertions to move as many player as possible to amsterdam!
I do NOT agree to forbid Galadriel, Lady redeemed in Block-Format! nor any other card [-X
I just have to clear some things in austria (need to discuss obout the journey, cost, date etc...)
It should be a relaxed :uh-huh: - but not a fun tournament!
kind regards
see you in amsterdam
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To keep this topic alive ;)
French, Italians and Players from Czech. Rep. now know about this!
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I will come if I can make it. Would be fun to see the gang again!
Greetz,
Jeroen Kassenberg
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Oei... I might as well try to plan coming over..I would love to feel Eric (minke)´s hairy butt again.. :hahaha
Some planning is needed, since I am currently living in spain, but I would love to come over again for a weekend of fun!
Greets,
Marcel Matijssen
(following topic with interest...)
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Me and some other guys will come as well! Especially when others are. Date isn't very relevant for me, as long it is in a weekend, I'll be there
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Hi there!
I assure, you will have all my exertions to move as many player as possible to amsterdam!
I do NOT agree to forbid Galadriel, Lady redeemed in Block-Format! nor any other card [-X
I just have to clear some things in austria (need to discuss obout the journey, cost, date etc...)
It should be a relaxed :uh-huh: - but not a fun tournament!
kind regards
see you in amsterdam
Duh Galadriel should be banned. I mean, come on. You want to make elves broken in RotK block?
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I just thought every card should be allowed unless it isn't banned for Block tournament...
If you bann Galadriel, would not that be broken? Corsairs and their nasty ships, shelobs web, besiegers conditions would be much stronger without Galadriel, and so on...
My opinion is, that cards in a block are very ballanced. What do you think?
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I'm not part of this little discussion but I think Elrohir is correct. The cards in a block were designed to work well with other and the main reason a card gets banned is because of the way it works with another card, and most cards that
increase Lady Redeemed brokenness are out of the RotK block. Just my two :gp: :gp:.
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But there is no balance! Lady redeemed allong with Cirdan is just madness! She is like Elven Armaments, she shuts down an entire deck. So she is broken.
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Galadriel is tottaly broken in movie block. I can tell cause i´m a movie block player so let me explain the reasons for this opinion...
First thing she is a 0 cost starting companion with an awesome hability, basically discard every support area stuff that can annoy your party. While doing this she totally boosts Cirdan, but that´s not the main thing about her. The evil thing that she allow you to throw in a lot of unnespesific events, and that is the "jump of the cat"!
You can toss in events like
- Foul Creation (Lurtz? Nah, i don´t like him...send him for a walk at discard pile and let me draw 2 cards).
- Curse Their Foul Feet! (Okay Moria people, now it´s time to make a really big swarm against my archer crew without having conditions at table... What? You have been gathering orcs at your hand to do it? What i shame i must say)
- Stand Against Darkness (Sauron? Where?)
Well i guess you get the point. In other circunstances if you put some of these cards in your deck they will be useles cards just occuping precious room in great part of the cases, so it´s a great concearning when you build you deck: will i make it to just to screw some specific deck or i will make it to be solid against most of scenarios?. With Lady Redeemed at table, if they don´t serve you in the actual scenario, they are simply convert in a mass condition/possession removal!
Just having her alone with a lot of events and a solid fellowship totally breaks 90% of the shadow strategies (or at least make them suffer far more to get something nasty against your freeps), forcing people to play with [Sauron] culture to and add four Terrible as the Dawn (an even so they will have to face Stand Against Darkness and maybe Curse Their Foul Feet!) or design something just to deal with her.
Think about it and you will see that, even that are really powerfull "non x-ed" cards out there, there are no cards that allow you to make this kind of thing. If you look at the x-list closely you will see that cards can be classified within some of these three types:
- Cards that allow totally Broken Loops
- Cards that actually prevents your opponent from playing something harmful (choking or getting his things pretty expensive to play)
- Overpowered cards (where i would put Galadriel)
That is some simplification but just to ilustrate it.
That´s what i think about her, i think that Decipher should have had a little more sense before release a card like that (cause it´s easy to predict how she can work than see crazy fruit loops coming on). But maybe that was just all part of Decipher´s plan, i can´t tell ;)
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:-k
First, "Curse their foul feet" etc. are not of RotK block. You are right though, in that case she would be overpowered.
"Stand against darkness": There is no Sauron in Rotk! :uh-huh: -> I know, it was only for illustration... i like this card in openformat!
Further more, she has only strength 3! And she isn't an ally anymore - so try to survive! (you have also Frodo to protect!)
I think it is obviousley that she works great with Cirdan - that is why she got this ability! If we forbid Galadriel, how do you want discard possessions and conditions?
(And I don't think anyone would play Cirdan in block - that would be a very dangerous and risky option)
Actually, it is up to those, who organize the tournament. If they decide to forbid some cards - I have to accept. And Gil-Estel seemed to agree - and i am sure, he is allways right!
If we begin to discuss, this will turn into a never-ending-story (Elves are overpowerd, Men are to strong, Evilmenarchery is unfair, Nazgûl are broken, Hobbits are unkillable, Orcs are autowin caracters, you know... ;)
I am happy for every suggestion. Just tell me in advance what cards were changed from the lists.
Best wishes
Elrohir
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Well i say that in movie block she is totally overpower, but in the case of playing only RoTK block she is less op. Still i think that she is advantage for elf decks (maybe even other decks). RoTK have few direct condition and possession discard so, even that i agree that she is a weak companion in terms of fighting, i think the double advantage that she offers with Ciedain it´s just too good.
Proof of that is that, back at the time she wasn´t x-ed, many people build their shadows thinking in manners of dealing with her (for example make a shadow that don´t rely much on conition/possesion. Anyway i think that corsairs and their ships are pretty overpowered too. Castamir + Halberd it´s just mad... 7 points and you have a 22 fierce minion that add up to 6 twilight and can be boosted to #$&*@!.
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im not sure what my schedule is but i should be able to fly over there and if i do i will bring a few booster boxes from my store as additional prizes.
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that would be nice...make sure that you do!
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If I have not mentioned it so far: our brothers of Italy are not able to come :'(
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This is an interesting blog, a lot of reactions for a LotR-tournament in Holland with even foreign interest.
I think it's great to have another "fun" LotR tournament.
The block decks is also a good idea, maybe for the fifth round allow set 9?
I think that for every block the x-list at that time should be used.
So for the RotK-block, every card can be used. Galadriel is a great card, but needs a complete build around her.
Most elven-events are pretty useless apart from the strength bonus...
I don't think everybody will use her (I won't, if I'm able to come...)
I'm also interested in the number of people who are coming.
If this is gonna be a pretty big tournament, I'll defenitely come, but the drive is pretty long for a 8-man tournament..
Ah well, I might come anyway and bring some friends along ;D
Bas Melis
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Can we please have a Standard round though? All my best decks are Standard, and I have some Expanded, but I want to make friends not enemies. Plus GE will probably burn them if I turn up with them.
If we have a Standard round, I will bring a Hunters box as prize support.
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Jordy....don't bring the Hunters box, cause you will lose! I will unleash all the evil that is to be found in me, just to work my way around you and your deck. :evil:
Maybe we can find to play some open as well....mhuhahahaha.
Melis, where do you live? I mean, I'm from Groningen but I'm so going to come! I will bring at least 1, but probably 3 friends along, maybe even a 4th or a 5th.
Smeagollum, have you set the date at the 7th already? If so, I can send the invites to all the people I know and have played lotr in the past....Let's make this work!
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Open!? Even I dont have a RL Open deck.
Sounds like a challenge tho GE :uh-huh: I shall see you there. We can play a Standard game whatever everyone else is playing
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I'm from Eindhoven, played LotR since The Mines of Moria till the end...
But I never bought a lot from the Hunters block...played that online though and had a really killer standard deck ;)
When the date is set, I'll ask around if anyone is interested to play once more :P
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We need to make this happen! Again, I need the determened date....man, this is cool!
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If there is a date to be announced that would be great for me as well. Can plan some things then.
I'll most probably come. :)
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It looks like we will be planning a tournament in Manchester next month, so if you are interested, there is a thread in the Council of Cobra
http://lotrtcgdb.com/forums/index.php?topic=932.msg16125#new
post there if you are interested
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I understand that a lot people are interrested. But most of you are not given dates. So I have to pick one. So theJord: What do you mean with the second weekend? 14th february. If so the tournament will be on the 14th. please let me know asap!
Somebodyelse asked not to ban Galadriel LR. I don't want to ban any cards. However I propose an errata for Galadriel LR!
Jeroen, Unfortunally Eric Minkes informed me that he will not come. However I found in Marc Hemeleers a good replacement in judging.
Kind regards to you all!
Jan Willem
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Bassie!!! So you're still playing.. Okay!!!!! Would be fun to see you again. Still have some score to settle with ya;) hahaha. Don't worry about how many people will content.. I even convinced Mo, Menno and Erwin to play the tournament as well.. and I think there will be a few people from Almere.. Together with Groningen, Amsterdam it should be about 15 people and then I am not counting the people from abroard.. but like to see them as well.
So who will you bring allong with you?
By the way.. I tried to contact weta-studio.. unfortunattely they have not anwsered my request. So I will have sweet looks to Arco for prizesupport.. somewhere in the comming days!
Gil-estel are you able to get a list (from people abraord) who so far will content the tournament?
Yoda 28 years after The empire strikes back: There is no try.. there is LOTR!!!!
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Planning the tournament for Valentines Day!? My wife will kill me!
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that's why I wasn't sure about what you meant with second weekend. will the 7th of febrauary be okay with you?
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Yeah sounds good to me.
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Every date is fine with me, I can keep the weekend free if it's planned this early..
A couple of questions..
- Is Galadriel, LR the only card that will be erratad/banned? Or are we still using the X-lists of old (for the set 1-10 round). I still think it's unneeded, cause every shadow that uses conditions/possessions has an answer...Castamir + Halberd still kills 2 guys, the besierers will personally kill her (and have lots of ways to get all those nasty conditions back on the table), nazgul and morgul orks don't use any conditions....Most of the elven events are useless anyway.
For the set 1-10 round, there should defenitely a banned list..
- Will we use the old rules or the new one, more specific: in Fellowship block, is it allowed to cancel the skirmish of the Ringbearer? (that was allowed back then...)
- The fifth round...maybe highlander standard? That should be fun... ;D
I'm bringing at least two friends (that means I need to build 15 decks :o, but that's also part of the fun :P)
Bas
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Okay People we have a definite date: 7th of february... Next week I will update everything. Including how to get at the 2 klaveren!
Bas, So far I'm using the current rules for blockdecks. Exept for Galadriel lr and set 9. According to me set 9 is an extra set not belonging to filmblock and everybody complained about Galadriel these days. So that's why I want to errata her, while in fact I will play her in a not-elvendeck. So i'm srewing myself:)
I still need the old erratalists from the first 3 block's. I remember that ranger's versatility was errated, as was thror's map. So if someone has these lists then I'll be glad to receive them, because I've to make 20 decks (4 persons). And indeed that's fun to do!!!
Bas: About canceling skirmishes with the ringbearer I need to talk with Gil-Estel and Marc Hameleers. If it's up to me: only cards that specify that the ringbearer is allowed to cancel a skirmish like frodo's cloak and Elbereth O Githiniel are allowed to cancel the skirmish. But as I said I need a talk with Gil-Estel. But feel free to contribute what you think about x-ing or errating cards for this tournament. Thing is that I think that a lot of people will like to play with old cards which were never used: like Aragorn from set 3.
Regards,
Jw
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@ Jan Willem
No problem. It would have been nice to see eric again but seeing mark will also be very nice. Will Eugenie come too?
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The ring-bearers skirmish should be allowed to cancel. (I thought there were some stealth events that cancel too?)
France and Austria are coming!
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I'll be there along with Gil-Estel. :)
Hope we can bring some more people.
But about the ring-bearer canceling a skirmish, I thought that wasn't allowed anymore.
When did they enforce this rule? After TTT or ROTK?
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After Reflections with the release of ARB.
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So what do you people want? Only the special cards like frodo's cloak are allowed to cancel a skirmish or just all the stealthevents. Remember we are not playing with set 9, so there are no AB.
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@ xizorlordofgondor: uhm no, that won't be a good idea.. They are divorced you see... And they didn't stay friends, but maybe his new girlfriend will come or her daughter (who seems to have lotr-cards)
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Here is a link to the current rulings document: http://decipher.fanhq.com/Resources/PDF/LOTR-CRD_081307.pdf
On page 4 are the X-lists and I think we should do the following:
First round you'll need a deck from the fotr-block: no cards banned (still use the old errata's for Thror's Map etc. I can't find an old rulings document...I'll keep searching)
Second round you'll need a deck from the TT-block: no cards banned
Third round you'll need a deck from fotr- and TT-block: what to do here...a lot of cards were banned during this time, but the expanded banned and restricted list is not the same...I remember Aragorn HttWC, Saruman KOI, Galadriel LOL etc. being way to powerful and being banned, but cards like Legolas DH, Relics of Moria, Sam SoH were allowed (not powerful until more cards to abuse these cards were brought out).
Maybe try to rebuild the old X-list and use that one?...I'll try to find this list and post it if it can be found...
Fourth round you'll need a deck from the Rotk-block (minus set 9!): no cards banned, errate for Galadriel LR (?)
Fith round you'll need a deck from the film-block (minus set 9!): same problem as for the third round...but maybe we should just ban all those cards from the expanded banned and restricted list, that seems fair to me....
About the canceling the skirmish business...that was a ruling to prevent Isildur's skirmishes being canceled with some FotR-card. Before that there are 2 hobbit-stealth events in every block to cancel the skirmish with before site 5. That isn't really too powerful so I think that should be allowed.
I think that 'Elbereth O Githiniel' and that hobbit ally that cancels skirmishes while exerting your hobbit twice is far more powerful because that can be used at site 9 to just win if a Nazgul hits the board...but that was allowed too then...
So...to get the 'old experience', I think that was a part of the game to keep those cards in mind when going in for the kill....I think it should be allowed to cancel skirmishes with every card possible ;D
Ok, I think that's it for now... :P
Bas Melis
EDIT:
I've found an old X-list:
Last updated 15th July 2004
1R40 •Elrond, Lord of Rivendell (Elven Ally)
1R45 •Galadriel, Lady of Light (Elven Ally)
1R80 •Ottar, Man of Laketown (Gandalf Ally)
1U108 No Stranger to the Shadows (Gondor Condition)
1R139 Savagery to Match Their Numbers (Isengard Event)
1R195 Relics of Moria (Moria Condition)
1U234 •Úlairë Nertëa, Messenger of Dol Guldur (Ringwraith Minion)
1C248 Forces of Mordor (Sauron Event)
1R313 •Sting (Shire Possession)
2R32 Flaming Brand (Gondor Possession)
3R38 •Aragorn, Heir to the White City (Gondor Companion)
3R42 •Horn of Boromir (Gondor Possession) (and promo version 0P5)
3R67 •The Palantír of Orthanc (Isengard Artifact)
3R68 •Saruman, Keeper of Isengard (Isengard Minion)
3C106 •Bill the Pony (Shire Possession) (and promo version 0P2)
3C108 Frying Pan (Shire Possession)
7U49 •Steadfast Champion (Gandalf Condition)
7C96 Gondorian Captain (Gondor Companion)
8C1 Aggression (Dwarven Condition)
10C91 Mordor Fiend (Sauron Minion)
I think this is a great list to use for the third and fifth round...
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This gets a bit confusing :-? (Eventhough I can follow you)
In my countries, people suggested to play "Austria Format".
Well, I have suggested this Dutch format, too, though. But this would be better played as an additional "All-Block Format" tournament
So we can play "Standard" -> There are no discussions ;D, but it is too simple :'((There are not a lot strategies)
"Austria" -> This format has all benefits of Standard & Expanded ;D, but no "old" sites are allowed :'(, it is just played in Austria/Germany/Switzerland/Italy/France/Czeck. Rep/Poland (which is a lot, but not enough)
"Dutch" -> you can play and face all the old cards, and so the new ones! ;D But, Peolpe complained about the number of decks needed! And creating an x- and r-list are only able on a subjectif kind of way :'(.
Just want you to know: I support all of these formats, but I want to give you the feedback I have received!
faithfully
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I dont like the idea of us creating our own x and r lists, using the official ones should be sufficient. Also, I think a Standard round would be fantastic, and what do you mean limited strategies Elrohir!? Everyone will play Last Alliance decks for FotR block.
The Austria format is interesting, I like that one.
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Hi people,
I concidered Austriasystem as well. But thing is that a few people I know don't know post Mount Doom. And I also like the Old Experience. So the old rullings should be fine. I only concider an errata for Galadriel LR, because people found her overpowered and thing is I want to play her in my hobbitdeck:)
About the sitemechanic. I to like the new system. On the other hand I think old decks like Dunland can't profit by it and a Balrog on site 2 can be very painfull in blocksystem.
But hey people the tournament is just in february so we have plenty of time to work things out and I open to suggestions.
By the the way i didn't knew there was a Dutch system.. I only know the Amsterdam system.. For instance we have banned watch and wait for multiplayer. But we're thinking to reconcider this to errata it. And the amsterdam way is mostly my way to see how i can nerve the system:)
About needing 5 decks. That is not exactly true I think, because most people will use the same deck in round 2 and 3 or 1 and 3 and 4 and 5 or 3 and 5 with some few changes. That's what I will do.
So up to now Iagree with Bas his suggestions. But please keep giving suggestions.
Thanks,
Jw
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Thanks JW :)
OK...here's the thing with standard...I really like the format, I build some killer online decks and some very fun alternative decks. But I can't buils any of those decks, because I didn't actively play the game live when the final block came out. So I'll end up with some deck primarily build around RotK- and Shadows-block cards with maybe a couple of 'newer' cards.
I think a lot of people contemplating to build a few decks and attend this event have the same problems with their cardpool.
The idea of playing with only the film-block cards is to see some old players again who stopped at the end of LotR's big run (AKA by the release of Shadows-block the player's rate dramatically dropped down due to rotation).
At that point a lot of players were also sick of buying those great cards like Aragorn HttWC and Saruman KoI just to find out later they would be banned.
So...a standard round might be tough for a lot of old-school players to build a decent/fun deck for.
But there can also be some 'hidden 6th round' for all the players bringing a standard deck.
There probably will be some games going on after the tournament anyway... ;D
Bas Melis
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So...a standard round might be tough for a lot of old-school players to build a decent/fun deck for.
But there can also be some 'hidden 6th round' for all the players bringing a standard deck.
There probably will be some games going on after the tournament anyway... ;D
Right on,Bas;)
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In Austria Format, you do not need post mountdoom cards (except sitepath), if you do not want to. But Lady redeemed is then not allowed, caused by using the rules at the former standard list.
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That's the reason for using blockdeckformat with old sitepaths.
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Hi guys,
I'm new here. Gil-Estel told me about the tournament. I'm very excited!
Unlike many others, I started after the release of Shadows... but I hope I'll manage to make some good blockdecks. I think I'll bring a Standard deck anyway ;) Just for fun.
Hope to see y'all in February!
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Welcome Daniro
From where are you?
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Mc Tono is in the House. (the last homely one that is) I`m a friend to Gil Estel and Mad Goblin and current holder of the Mithril Cup (tournament-trophy for small "Friends of the Whitehouse Lotr tournaments" in which Gil Estel and Mad Goblin also participate.
I`m also from Holland (just like Daniro. I traded cards with him a year back)
As for the tournament in Amsterdam. I`ll try to come.
Btw I do not own a copy of the redeemed lady myself but there a reason the the discussion takes on for a few weeks now: in my humble opinion she`s too strong for a tournament, and maybe that's the reason everyone sort of smells an opportunity to beat the rest. I say ban the old blondie. It`s your organisation. If you don`t I`ll make sure I get my hands on her before the 7th. I think banning her will bring more variety.
In the mean while I`d like to play some games on SDA. I`m starting to get lazy playing (winning against) Gil Estel and Mad Goblin.
greetings from Holland
Mc "White dog" Tono
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I say ban the old blondie.
:o [-X
Hey, watch up! Never call her ladyship that again! ;)
See you soon
sincerely
Elrohir
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I`m sorry, I forgot she`s your family...
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She's banned in most all formats already, I think we should follow precedent.
I happen to own Lady Redeemed and play her in an Elrohir/Elladan starting fellowship and can testify to her monstrosity.
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Do not forget: in RotK block, she is allowed! There are no possible overpowered combos in that format!
I know, she is strong (like with Elladan and Elrohir). But do not forget: we do not play open nor expanded either. So we can not ban every strong card!
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me and my friends just made an errata for her. and played her in expanded.
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So, what is the result? :-k I want to know too!
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You`re right elrohir.
I know, she is strong (like with Elladan and Elrohir). But do not forget: we do not play open nor expanded either. So we can not ban every strong card!
We shouldn`t. So let her come in the RotKblock.
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Do not forget: in RotK block, she is allowed! There are no possible overpowered combos in that format!
I know, she is strong (like with Elladan and Elrohir). But do not forget: we do not play open nor expanded either. So we can not ban every strong card!
She's not just strong. She's broken. She uses her crazy ability to absolutely hose any strategy that relies on conditions and possessions. Imagine being unable to use conditions or possessions. Lady Redeemed, when legal, won every single tournament. Every deck that did decent at the time packed her. And every shadow got screwed. There's very good reason she was banned, and I say she should be kept banned. She's fine in Open and RotK block, though somebody can probably break her open there with some elf deck or something.
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Just try the errata I sugested. Only at the start of the manouver or regroup and she needs to exert. Means she can only do it twice per turn if she's lucky.
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Welcome Daniro
From where are you?
As Mc Tono said, I'm from Holland. I live in Groningen.
@Mc Tono: I can hardly believe you recognise me. It's been such a long time. But I do remember our trade. I look forward to meeting you at the tournament.
Well, ofcourse I'd like to meet all of you!
BTW,
In the mean while I`d like to play some games on SDA. I`m starting to get lazy playing (winning against) Gil Estel and Mad Goblin.
How do the TLHH SDA players meet?
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SdA players gather on the Green Dragon board!
Or on the WWL at lotr.winnieinternet.com
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Sweet! Thanks :)
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Has there been a definite decision regarding the use of X-lists for the fotr-, ttt- and rotk-blocks? (apart from Galadriel)
And what about the rule of canceling skirmishes involving the ringbearer? (Easiest rule is to say yes or no...)
Using x-lists and nog being able to cancel the ringbearer's skirmish is vital for my deckbuilding...so is it possible to get a definite answer to them.. ;)
Bas
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Well, if nothing comes in my way AND if no sets after MT Doom are used, I might be even interested to play. It has been a while since I played but I play it online a little bit now and then, and Movie block definitely has my interest.
Besides, I own little shaodw/BR/Bloodlines and NO hunters block cards.
Bert Claessen
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JW, how are things developing?......
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Yup, any updates and final chocie for format... have to start making decks....
And what about Lady Redeemed...
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Hey boys (and girls), what is going on now?
Could anyone please some informations up? That would be very kind. So we can send information to france, germany, switzerland, italy and all who get reached by us.
@Vebu: Are you able to come? [-o<
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I had a PM from Smeagollum that he was busy with work and he would finalise things soon.
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Hi everyone,
Sorry for not updating you. I was a bit busy with all sort of things. The tournament is definive on the 7th of february. So far I've got prizesupport for nrs 1, 2 and last :) Actually I like the prizesupport a lot: It's about a Gandalf, A king of the dead and a real cool Easterling and no they are not cards!! I'm still organizing sommething for the other people.
Regarding rules: Well, First I was thinking about blockrules with some kind of errata on real broken cards like Galadriel, lr. But that will complicate things. So it will be just blockrules like in the old days!
The sitepath is the one we used as in the old days. Why, well the new sitemechanism is build for sets 7 till 19 and work fine for them, but less for the older sets.. and as this tournament is about reliving the old days and we play older sets we use the old sitepath.
If there are any questions please post me an email!
And please let me know by pm if you come to the tournament and with how much people. It makes it easier for me with organizing.
Thanks and have a good new year!
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I dont think I am going to come. A tournament that is based on the old cards of the game doesnt really appeal to me, especially as your not even having an Expanded section!
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Hi,
Do we play also "War of the ring" & "hunter block"? Like a kind of qualification, so we play finals in standard. According to this, TheJord might be persuaded to come...
I am generally against expanded, because it doesnt seem to be witty to me...
Time is raising towards until tournament starts, I can't stand it!
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It's been a while since I read the whole topic, but why isn't the Austria format an idea? In that case old players can play their old cards and other people can also use new cards.
I think it's a great format, really enjoyed it in Germany last year. :)
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Austrian format would at least open the tournament to people who kept up with the game, instead of limiting it to those who stopped when Shadows came out.
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The tournament is definive on the 7th of february.
Negotiated with the Mrs. : "Mc Tono is of the party" as we say in Holland. (literally translated)
Looking forward to playing against other Lotr players.
Is there a list of how many (and who) are coming?
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Austrian format would at least open the tournament to people who kept up with the game, instead of limiting it to those who stopped when Shadows came out.
This is the reason why so many players join the tournaments in Austria/Germany. Everyone's "invited" and it's much better than expanded format!
I would like to join a tournament and I would like to visit Holland once - but it always depends on time and money you have left to be able to join such an event.
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The German/Austrian people should come! They are most welcome and extreme fun people!....Super Geile Leute!
Oh and I will be there!
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Oh, as far as I can remember, Gil-Estel left an extraordinary sympathic impression to the german girls... :lol:
...and you're right - those german guys are extreme fun people!
I would prefer that you are playing Austrian Format instead of those block formats - most players are demoralized, disadvantaged or even disqualified due to this (lack of cards).
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Jord,
You forget one thing: there will also be people who don't know the cards after set 10. It seems to me that it would not be honest to them. Besides that i think that it would make the tournament unbalanced. I am convinced that pre set 11 and post set 11 are not equally matched.
But what i do not see as a problem is as 2 opponents to decide to play something else. But that they need to decide under eachother. So if we play the tt-block and 2 players decide to play hunters instead against eachother. I don't see a problem with that.
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The only problem smeagollum: I don`t know who I will be playing against until I get to Amsterdam and I can`t bring 25 dex. So I think "It would be wise my friend" :) to limit the tournament-games to the formats and leave room for other games to be played next to the games that matter.
Can you post a list of the number of players who already signed in? And how many games will we play in each round?
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Well, glad to see everything is getting in order, but I agree with Jordy that it is a shame that newer cards aren't used at all. I have collected all the cards, have a complete collection but for this tourney I can't use any......which is a shame. So Austrian format would be excellent, but I can imagine it is too short of a notice to change anything.
And an update about which players will come would be welcome...And TJ, you have to come. The fun we would have!!!! We could play lotr all night at Schiphol or something like that ;D hahaha
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If I would know what an "australia system" is I could think about it. So far of what I read of it it is not entirely clear to me.
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Ok, in het Nederlands dan maar ;D (In Dutch, for I can explain it better that way)
Je bouwt een deck en zowel je shadow als je fellowship mogen of uit 1-10 zijn of 7-18. De bijzondere sets 9, 14, 16 en 19 mogen altijd. Dus zo kan bijvoorbeeld je shadow Moria Swarm zijn en je fellowship Hunter Elven. Het mooie van deze decks is dat oudere decks nog een heel grote kans van slagen hebben. Uruk-Hai swarm met StmtN is en blijft een lelijk deck, net als Moria, zeker als je het combineert met de nieuwe Balrog uit serie 19. Ik heb gezien dat er op die manier meer balans is en dat het voor de oudere spelers ook zeker interessant is. Ik bedoel Enqeua LoM is ineens weer een dreiging. Ook zo'n hekel aan een fully loaded Durin? Wormtongue mag weer gespeeld worden.... Op die manier dus....
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If I would know what an "australia system" is I could think about it. So far of what I read of it it is not entirely clear to me.
...not Australia System... Austrian Format... Österreich... Autriche... Ostenrijk...
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Okay somewhere on the planet :) Where lays Austria again? hahaha just kidding
But responding on Gil-Estel:
Maar hoe zit het dan met oude sites. Sommigen decks benodigen de oude sites. In Amsterdam hebben we het volgende systeem:
Oude site shadowcost - orginele regio + gespeelde regio + totaal twilight
voorbeeld: Site 2 block tt met een cost van 2 - 0 van region 1 ( wat overblijft mag niet onder de nul vallen) + 6 (indien regio 3) = 8
Gebruiken jullie dan eenzelfde soort systeem?
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Ehm...huh?...hahaha. Gewoon de nieuwe sites. Dus alle kaarten worden gespeeld op de nieuwe sites. Dus regio 1,2 en 3 + de shadowcost van de site en wat je aan twilight hebt gemaakt in je fellowship. Dus geen aanpassing van de oude sites, die doen gewoon niet meer mee....al zou je misschien daar ook een fix in kunnen maken.....maar dat is wel lastig :)....
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Wat vind je van mijn fix?
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Okay people,
Propasal:
I might concider the austrian system for rounds 1 & 2: set 1 - 10 (without set 9); rounds 3 & 4: set 7 - 19; round 5 either first deck or 2nd deck. But Only if I see 10 subscribments to the tournament in my messagebox!!! And I want people to be able to use the old sites with the following system:
site cost - cost originail region + cost played region:
example: Site 5 with cost 8 tt-block played in region 3
site cost 8 - Originial region (would be region 2) 3 + Played region (would be 3 in this example) 6= 11 twilight
Every card is allowed. Further block rules.
In this case you only need to make 2 decks (you lazy people:) )
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I propose against it. I have 0 cards from the later sets and they still will be important to play. They tournament appealed to me to play once again with those nice old cards, a nice old school tournament.
The format itself might be interesting, but I like much better just the old sets for this one, because thats what I signed up for. I mean, the new formats are played online so much, why not go back to the good ole days as you wanted before.
I for one will not play if post set 10 cards are allowed.
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Sorry people I need to do this in Dutch
Hoi Bert,
Ik begrijp het probleem met kaarten post set 10. Ik heb wel de kaarten, maar mijn zorg ligt anders. Ik begrijp alleen uit reacties dat veel mensen dis systeem willen. Met dit systeem kan je gewoon de oude decks spelen dus met oude kaarten. En ik denk dat je met het deck dat je voor ronde 3 en 4 gebruikt zeer zeker uit de voeten kan tegen iemand met post-10 kaarten. Denk alleen al aan een besiegerdeck. Wanneer je wilt kan je ook een deck van mij lenen...
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Sorry guys I need to do this in English (because I like that language better than my own and I think it`s interesting for foreigners.)
I think the solution is very simple: Smeagollum: thanxx for organising a tournament (very scarce in Holland) you organise you decide. Players don`t want to play a certain format? wait until the next tournament or better yet: organise your own.
Every change you make (on such short notice) will exclude some players and enable some players. So stick to the plan you had with some friends (like Bert the Ringbearer) to organise a tournament based on the fist 3 blox so that they can also play. I like that idea!
Austria is also nice but there are some drawbacks. (read more about this in the trollswarm/horncombo topic etc.)
Stick to the original plan so I can begin building.
I will bring my big bag of post Mt Doom commons (and uncs) and I will be happy to make a great deal in a trade (like a hundred cards against one, or twohundred or so, ask Daniro for my reference on that matter)
Looking forward to playing other (old- and newschool) Lotr players.
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I have to support Austrian Format - So I sign for it up here -> *Elrohir*
There is no drawback!! Trollswarm/Horndeck is a standard version!!
No one is excluded, old cards are allowed as well, and there are no broken combos possible! I do not understand the problem!
I like block decks really - but it seems, Ostenrijk Format fits better than any other.
yours sincerely
Elrohir
PS: Trolly-horny-deck are not good decks...they are too bad!
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There is no drawback!! Trollswarm/Horndeck is a standard version!!
If what your saying is true, there has been some misunderstanding about the Austrian format: there was a guy at the European Championship who played a horn troll deck, and the format there was: Austrian! And we wasn`t stopped! If I`m correct it IS possible to play a standard deck in an Austrian format. Or isn`t it? For both shadow and freeps side you have the choice to take cards out of sets 1-10 or 7-18 or am I wrong, because if I am: so was the whole European tournament.
Or am I talking orc-poo Olorin85?
I have to support Austrian Format - So I sign for it up here -> *Elrohir*
I`d like to sign up.
but
for what?
another tournament? seems great to me, this summer maybe in Holland?
What say you Gil-Estel?
PS: Trolly-horny-deck are not good decks...they are too bad!
I disagree and I`ve never even played one. Maybe NBarden would like to explain it again as he did so wonderfully in the Erkenbrands-horn-debate-topic
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It is possible to play a standard deck in Austrian Format, but is indeed important to keep most people onboard and able to think about certain decks. Still, to break a spear for Austrian (dutch saying litterally translated ;D) format, just 1 round out of 5 can't be bad....But I rest my case with whatever you come up with JW ;)...another tournement would be awesome, but it takes some organising stuff....I'm willing to, but we need to put some dots on the I's....;D
Trollswarm with Horn isn't that lethal, under certain circumstances. Horn is extremely weak vs Archery, corruption and swarm...you just need to survive the swarm...kill Keyward, save the World
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Trollswarm with Horn isn't that lethal, under certain circumstances. Horn is extremely weak vs Archery, corruption and swarm...you just need to survive the swarm...kill Keyward, save the World
=D> Well spoken!
I disagree and I`ve never even played one. Maybe NBarden would like to explain it again as he did so wonderfully in the Erkenbrands-horn-debate-topic
-> If anyone plays a Troll-Horn deck (which I know exactly how to build), the opponent will immediatley recognize its strategy. So, its very obviously how to react.
McTono: You are right about Austrian Format. I just wanted to say, that a standard format also allows to play trollswarm. So I want to say sorry, if I have had confused you. :-[ Hope, things come clear,
with kind regards
Elrohir
CONCERNING NEXT TOURNAMENT
I thought we had already said to play the next european championship (summer 2009) in Manchester?
Italy had already agreed to come to manchester, although they can not come to Amsterdam...
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Where is Italy?...Why aren't the Nine Walkers on here? We must combine our strength..haha
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Okay, now I am getting confused.....
What do you guys want? My original plan, what I like the most and what will keep Ringbearer in, which I think is important or the Austrainvariant (my last proposal).
And pleae note that I want to keep Bert in. Even as it means that there will be a few players less.
And so far not very much people made clear if they come or not!!!
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Where is Italy?...Why aren't the Nine Walkers on here? We must combine our strength..haha
...the nine walkers... they are so lazy... we can call them: the nine sleepers... hahaha...
Gil-Galad, King89, Elrohir... and me, we are some of them... ;-)
...and please consider... when organizing a tournament... keep everything (rules, format... etc.) easy... easy... easy... don't use to much specifiactions, exceptions, etc. (this is allowd, this not, etc. - keep it simple!)
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Okay, now I am getting confused.....
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What do you guys want?
It doesn`t matter what we want it`s your tournament.
maybe its an idea to start a list of players that you know of that will come, modify the list everytime a new player signs in. (soort groeilijst)
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I have tried to sum things up:
"I am planning the tournament the 7th of februari at de 2 klaveren in Amsterdam. If you come by car see following link for details: http://maps.google.nl/maps?hl=nl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=de+2+klaveren+amsterdam&fb=1&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=1&ct=image
If you come by train from Central station take tramnr 13, From Amstelstation take tramnr 12 and from Sloterdijk tramnr 14. Get out at stop "elizabeth wolfstraat" and walk towards the bridge. Adress: De Clercqstraat 136, 1052 NP Amsterdam? - 020 6189125?
1. There will be an admit one fee of 5 euro. This is because we will play in a commercial cafe and last time we organized a tournament over there everybody brought his own drinks and food and the owner of the cafe was not happy about that. For this admittance-fee you will get 2 cosumptions.
2. I am still working on Prize-support.
3. Judge is Marc Hameleers
Here is a link to the current rulings document: http://decipher.fanhq.com/Resources/PDF/LOTR-CRD_081307.pdf"
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Hi,
I am still expecting german-players agreement.
I do know nothing about switzerland so far - Hey, wo seid ihr? wir brauchen euch! Allez la Suisse!!
Please, let as many people as possible know about this tournament, so our community get stronger!
So, please sign up - I hope to seeing you soon,
yours faithfully
Elrohir from Österreich
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I will be there, Mc Tono will be there, Madgoblin will be there, maybe Daniro will be there.....
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Wij 3-en komen sowieso, wat je ook doet JW, dus laat je niet gek maken, en gooi niet je hele toernooi om vanwege een paar obstinate gozers. Als je het mij echter vraagt zou ik het zo doen, maar dat ben ik ;) en ik weet niet als je mij vraagt en nogmaals, ik verwacht ook niet dat je mij vraagt...haha:
ronde 1: fellowshipblock
ronde 2: Two Towersblock
ronde 3: RotK block
ronde 4: Movieblock - set 9
ronde 5: Austrian format, met nieuwe sites, desnoods gekopieerd....
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ronde 1: fellowshipblock
ronde 2: Two Towersblock
ronde 3: RotK block
ronde 4: Movieblock - set 9
ronde 5: Austrian format, met nieuwe sites, desnoods gekopieerd....
=D> This seems very wise! Who comes to? I will contact our nine-riders. Who comes from America (including USA)?
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I think none....Elrohir, you know where the USA is? Across the pond we call Atlantic Ocean.....seems a bit far/expensive for a 1 day tourney!
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I know very well, that the pond is vast - I was just asking.
What? One day? That can't be...
I thought Saturday are qualifies and sunday are finals played. Furthermore, I wanted to stay at least 2 extra days for visiting Holland, with all other extraamsterdamistque players. Otherwise, it would be very expansive, as you have said, to stay just for one day, even for me, who lives in europe.
And we need a draft tournamnet, and we will need friday evening for trading....
Holland is tooooooooooooo coooooooooooooool to stay only one day... :'(
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I`m glad it isn`t on Sunday, because otherwise I wouldn`t be able to come.
I am still expecting german-players agreement.
I do know nothing about switzerland so far - Hey, wo seid ihr? wir brauchen euch! Allez la Suisse!!
Far indeed. Pity though for people abroad... Maybe a live-feed on SDA?:)
I think the next EC should be at least 2 days. This tournament will be a bit smaller but maybe that`s better because of the 5 rounds in one day.
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We could make something up, but the intention of Smeagollum is a 1 day tournement I assume...I know, for he never said otherwise...
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I never said otherwise :D
Actually whole live is one big tournament isn't it..hahah
well it's just one day, but if people come onde day earlier I'll be happy to play against them at 2 klaveren ;)
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Well, I think I misunderstood something.
So there is no big lotr festival? :'( No movies? No drafts? :'( No longbottom leaf (just kidding)? No Howard Shore Music? And no sightseeing together? :'(
TheJord: How long do you have planned to play EC in Manchester?
Yours faithfully
Elrohir
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Things can get as nice and cosy as one wants it to be.....
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Is "Amsterdam Centraal" the right train station?
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TheJord: We have to fix a date in summer.
Does anyone have connections to belgium players? They had EC in 2006, so there might be anyone interested in playing in Holland.
Smeagollum: How many players have decided to come so far?
See you soon,
Elrohir
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Yeah, that's the right station...Central Station...maybe I can get to a Belgium player, I will have to see.....
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Belgium Players might be reached through www.theprancingpony.info if still anyone ever looks over there. :) But hey, trying never hurts.
And yes, I will also be in Amsterdam on the 7th.
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Yeah, I've send an email to Gwengels, it seems that he/she is one of the more active players, gwengels was busy organising a game Holland vs Belgium, maybe he/she can reach others, and join us here.....
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how many people so far . Well a lot of people are not very clear. I asked to pm me so that I can make a list. so far 2 people responded on that. A few people said on the other tread that they would come and I know of hw many people from our group (amsterdam) will play.
amsterdam:
Henk Maul,
Martijn Goedhart,
Andre (don't know his last name)
Menno Kronenburg
Mo ten Have
Erwin
Myself
resonded by pm:
Mctonno
ringbearer (if he agrees to my suggestion)
responded on thread:
Bas Melis (with 2 friends)
Jeroen Kassenberg
Marcel Mathijssen
Gil Estel (I asume with friends)
Elrohir (with 2 friends?)
Possible:
Chris Goedhart
Peter Jackson
Andy Serkis
well maybe not the last 2... but people are allowed to dream don't they
Judge:
Marc Hameleers
So round about 20. If people are not on the list please MAIL me!!!
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I will come and bring the two friends along. ;D
The 'old' format would be our favorite, but we don't mind playing one round of the 'Austrian' format although I'm not sure if it's balanced. 'Old' players don't know any of the new cards so there would be an advantage for the 'newer' players...
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we don't mind playing one round of the 'Austrian' format although I'm not sure if it's balanced. 'Old' players don't know any of the new cards so there would be an advantage for the 'newer' players...
Firstly, Austrian Format was created, to give all player the chance, to take part in a tournament. Many player decided to leave game after mount doom, others never ever had a preshadow card.
Furthermore, Editions 1-10 have to be balanced, because its movie block, and no one complains obout it, right?
7-18 have also to be balanced, because it is standard!
Another reason to write now, is to keep this topic recent.
kind regards
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Hi,
I have send the information to Czek Rep., France and Poland. I hope we will find a way to contact switzerland.
Vebu: Do you think, you are able to come?
Elrohir