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Middle-Earth => Archives of Minas Tirith => Topic started by: St. Grimmin on August 24, 2009, 06:24:46 PM
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a little confused about the text. says discard all possesions and can't bear a hand weapon. so does that mean he can bear other possesions after you play it as long as its not a hand weapon like radagasts herb bag? thanks for the input
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So long as it is not a hand weapon, the companion can bear possessions after GoTM is played.
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cool thanks Lurtzy
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excellent :hey:
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The game text should be: When you play Shadowfax, remove it from the game.....ridiculous card.....
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I'm sorry, but since the card doesn't say "to play, discard all possessions...", it SHOULD mean that it is a continuous effect, meaning, the card is CONSTANTLY discarding other possessions, meaning you COULD play possessions on him, but they'd be instantly discarded. Why doesn't it work this way?
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but it also doesn't say "bearer may not bear other possessions or hand weapons", which would be consistent wording, especially for the effect you think it should have.
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That is indeed a good point. But even so, it IS poor wording, then, one way or another. ;)
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no doubts there. it's hard sometimes, as a designer, to step back from the text and try to see what you're writing as game text makes sense (intent-wise) from a player's perspective, as if reading it for the first time.
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Honestly I don't see the problem, the text looks pretty straightforward to me.
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Obviously the card text confuses some people here... therefore I would apprecciate if at least you guys speak in clear words... so now:
If Shadowfax GoM is played - all possessions from bearer get discarded - right? - Ok.
But:
May I play THEN another possession (e.g. Glamdring [hand weapon], or radagast's herb bag [no weapon]) on bearer - would this possession then be discarded or stay in play? ???
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You cannot play Glamdring, as it is a handweapon, but any other possession is fine to play.
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Obviously the card text confuses some people here... therefore I would apprecciate if at least you guys speak in clear words... so now:
If Shadowfax GoM is played - all possessions from bearer get discarded - right? - Ok.
But:
May I play THEN another possession (e.g. Glamdring [hand weapon], or radagast's herb bag [no weapon]) on bearer - would this possession then be discarded or stay in play? ???
You cannot play Glamdring, as it is a hand weapon. You can, however, play Radagast's Herb Bag or Salt of the Shire or any other eligible possession that is not a hand weapon. Keep in mind as well that Gandalf's Staff is an artifact.
-wtk
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The wording is very mirky, but I do believe the intention agrees with our general consensus. I think the card should be worded as:
"When you play Shadowfax, discard all other possessions borne by bearer. Bearer may not bear a hand weapon."
Thranduil
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The wording is very mirky, but I do believe the intention agrees with our general consensus. I think the card should be worded as:
"When you play Shadowfax, discard all other possessions borne by bearer. Bearer may not bear a hand weapon."
Thranduil
Well, if this is the consense here - I'll join your point of view.
I have been ruling that shadowfax always like: discard all other possessions all the time
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Does the possession-discarding part also apply when GotM is transferred?
Whoa, and I finally realized that Watcher in the Water, MTC doesn't use the "While you can spot" phrase. This could get interesting.
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Does the possession-discarding part also apply when GotM is transferred?
I don't think so, but that's going by (our best guess of) intention only. If you follow my wording, then no they do not.
Whoa, and I finally realized that Watcher in the Water, MTC doesn't use the "While you can spot" phrase. This could get interesting.
That doesn't functionally change the card. Clearly in the Watcher's case it is meant to be a continuous effect. However, the other part of GotM's text does not support this, which leads me to believe that the wording on Shadowfax is incorrect.
Thranduil