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Middle-Earth => Lothlórien => Topic started by: HalbaradDunadan on January 20, 2015, 02:55:25 PM
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Hello! I am wondering if there are any gondor or hobbit cards that will discard shadow conditions, especially sauron or isengard conditions. Thanks in advance!
HalbaradDunadan
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There are only two that come to my mind, but I am only familiar with pre-Shadows cards:
Bilbo, WSG
Athelas
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Derufin and Catapault are two other options. Derufin is great against Corsairs, Besiegers, and Uruk Archery.
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I have Athelas, but the other suggestions are not quite what I'm looking for. I play with rangers (Ringbound) and no hobbits other than Frodo, so knight cards wouldn't fit. I just thought I'd clarify. Thanks!
HalbaradDunadan
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Several copies of Athelas + These Are My People is a great combo if you include Aragorn. Works wonders too with Brace of Coneys + TSC.
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What format are you building for?
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I guess you could call it expanded, but almost all the cards that I (and everyone else in my group) play with are from the movie block. I am using a deck of actual cards, so crazily expensive later deck cards really are not an option. Actually, I don't think that we really play any format at all, come to think of it. Just none of us have the restricted cards that would make it 'open.'
HalbaradDunadan
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Boromir's Cloak is beautiful against Weather Conditions. In every FotR block deck that I run Gondor in, I also run Bilbo, WSG and a bunch of tales alongside Answering the Cries, so that if there's a tale that I don't need (such as Might of Numenor), I can discard it using Bilbo or to give a strength pump. Or I can use the actual card itself.
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The tales for WSG can't be discarded from hand, but from play.
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The tales for WSG can't be discarded from hand, but from play.
Really? That's never been the way I played, because it would severely weaken FP condition discard when you don't run Elves or Gandalf. Of course, I only play physically so our rules don't quite align with what's on Gemp.
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Just read Bilbo's text. He doesn't say to discard the tale from hand, so by default, that means it must be discarded from play.
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So it would appear if you don't want to play by my, uhh, "amended" rules, it'll be a little tougher to run Bilbo, WSG effectively, unless you run some tales that are in play, like Gondor Bowmen, Tale of the Great Ring, etc.
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The best Gondor card to remove conditions is definitely Pallando, Far-travelling One.
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Unfortunately that's a rare from a later set.
HalbaradDunadan, any chance you could splash Gandalf in your deck? The best condition removal for Free Peoples will always be the classics: Sleep, Caradhras or Deep In Thought. Gondor and Shire tend to like their conditions, so you'd probably be leaning towards Deep In Thought. Of course that means spotting 4 twilight so you can play it. To do that, you can include a number of Maneuver events in your deck to add twilight, or you can add Followers that put twilight in at the start of Maneuver. There are a number of Followers that are either common or uncommon, and you might find them helpful to your deck above and beyond just adding twilight in:
Robin Smallburrow, Shirriff #$&*@!-Robin (currently $2 on ebay)
Alatar, Final Envoy (currently $1 on ebay)
Woodhall Elf, Exile (currently $2 on ebay)
There are other common and uncommon Followers that might also be helpful, but they've got spotting requirements, or don't add in quite as much twilight. Even Pallando, Far-traveling One can be had for $15 or less.
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I support sgtdraino's idea, that's indeed the best way to counter conditions. But if you choose to use Bilbo WSG, you might pack some copies of cheap support area tales to expend: Three Monstrous Trolls, Till Durin Wakes Again, Stairs of Khazad-Dum, Thorin's Harp. Each costs (0), is non-unique and doesn't have spotting or exerting requirements. Three Monstrous Trolls is awesome with Hobbit Party Guest!
Red Book of Westmarch works wonders if you choose that path, so you'll want to add several copies of it...
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I don't know about adding another culture to my deck. Perhaps posting my fellowship side would give an idea of what I'm working on.
Starting:
Frodo, little master
Faramir, captain of Gondor
Ranger of Ithilien
Gondor:
Gondorian Ranger
Mablung sog (Would like to get a second one of him)
Ranger of Ithilien
No stranger to the shadows 2x
Citadel of Minas Tirith
Ancient roads 2x
the Saga of Elendil
Boromir, my brother
Man the Walls 3x
Athelas 2x
Ranger's bow 4x
great shield
faramir's sword
gondorian blade 4x
faramir's cloak
new errand 3x
arrows thick in the air
war and valor
dagger strike
perilous ventures
elendil's valor
swordsman of the Northern kingdom
Shire:
hobbit stealth
severed his bonds
Sting
O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!
On my want list are:
Halbarad
ranger's cloak
invigorated (2x)
Faramir's bow
sam's pack
...But I'm not sure that I'll get them, and I most certainly don't have them now. Hopefully this gives a somewhat clearer idea of my needs.
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I guess if you wanted to stick strictly with Gondor and Shire, WSG and Athelas could theoretically take out any condition you'd need to get rid of. I'd definitely run 4x Athelas and then maybe pipes, so you can use Bilbo's Pipe to get your tales back. You might even find a use for These Are My People, which can get a bunch of your Athelas back out again right when you need them, not to mention other pipes that maybe you didn't draw in the right order.
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I already have a deck of 74 cards,and I have yet to get through the whole thing in a game. Adding Gandalf would probably turn out poorly. Almost everything is gondor. I have Frodo, sting, O elbereth gilthoniel, and three or four events for Frodo. Otherwise, everything is Gondor. Mostly of the ring bound ranger sort. I suppose that a card of any free peoples culture would suit my needs, provided that it does not require spotting characters of that culture. Hopefully this helps.
Thanks for your time! HalbaradDunadan