Would this be legal to do?

[Smeagollum]

You play with Frodo, Sam and Gandalf. Then if got the following trick
You let Frodo as Rb die and make Sam as response the new Rb.  In the next FS-phase I play Borne Far Away (10R14) and exchange a companion with Frodo in the deadpile, then play Frodo without a ring.
Would this be possible?

[TheJord]

You could not play the Frodo you just killed. If you had Frenzied Fighter in hand, and removed the dead RB Frodo from the Dead Pile with another companion via Borne Far Away you could play Frodo, Frenzied Fighter.

But why you would do this is beyond me...

[Smeagollum]

Jus

You could not play the Frodo you just killed. If you had Frenzied Fighter in hand, and removed the dead RB Frodo from the Dead Pile with another companion via Borne Far Away you could play Frodo, Frenzied Fighter.

But why you would do this is beyond me...

Just for fun and make A promise working again And in case if you are playing with Sam, Nice Sensible Hobbit

But the reason why you can't play Frodo again? You change for example a Merry with Frodo. So Merry will be in the dead pile and Frodo will not. To my idea you should be able to play Frodo again. Unless the rb-keyword would be the reason. But if the keyword is also no problem then the question will be what happens to the ring?

[chompers]

From comprehensive rulebook 4.0 (p15 under ringbearer)

If a character other than Frodo is your ringbearer, you cannot play any other versions of Frodo with the Ring-bearer keyword during the game.

Shame it can't be done - you might of got a snigger from your opponent which is always fun 

[Smeagollum]

From comprehensive rulebook 4.0 (p15 under ringbearer)

If a character other than Frodo is your ringbearer, you cannot play any other versions of Frodo with the Ring-bearer keyword during the game.

Shame it can't be done - you might of got a snigger from your opponent which is always fun 

There should be an errata on this part of the rulebook!

But in this case then it's just what the Jord said that it's only possible with frenzied fighter. So just only in standard or open. That's a pitty..

uhmm.... what does snigger means?

[chompers]

(snigger = laugh) Make your opponent laugh at an unusual card combo - although your reasoning behind using this combo actually makes good sense.

[sharkey]

Play it with Held to make it even more unusual (after playing Frodo).

[Smeagollum]

Play it with Held to make it even more unusual (after playing Frodo).

[Smeagollum]

Well the deck which could do this trick could look like this:

Frodo, Master of the Precious   
The One Ring, Answer To All Riddles

Sam, Nice Sensible Hobbit
Gandalf, Leader of Men
Smeagol, Slinker   

Bilbo, Aged Ring-bearer
4x Sting, Baggins Heirloom
Follow Smeagol
Frodo's Cloak
Borne Far Away
Out of the High Airs
Sent Back
Frodo, Frenzied Fighter
3x Gandalf, Defender of the West
4x A Promise
Gandalf's Staff
Glamdring
4x Hope is Kindled
3x Hobbit Sword
Held
4x Servant of the Secret Fire
1x Pallando, Far-travelling One

[Smeagollum]

From the immaginetive rulebook 4.0 (p15 under ringbearer)

If a character other than Frodo is your ringbearer, you cannot play any other versions of Frodo with the Ring-bearer keyword during the game; unless Frodo was the starting Ring Bearer and no copy of him is in the deadpile.

Would fix the problem for this in just filmblock.

[sharkey]

You could play some saved from the fire + Farmer Maggot's Fields to help draw the cards.

[Smeagollum]

W

You could play some saved from the fires + Farmer Maggot's Fields to help draw the cards, the cards.

Why would I do that? It makes totally no sense. There are no Merry or Pipin in the deck. I rather use The generetic Green dragon in to get Bilbo out. I f you think I'll cycle to slow then you're partially right. But to solve this I will use a very fast shadow. Besides that I've got somewhere a singleplayer deck which is 48/48 and it's biggest problem is that it cycle's to fast.

[hrcho]

1 or 2 Saved from the fire could really help, especially since you have 3 more Gandalfs and Sent Back already in your deck. Sacrifice your Leader of Men to draw 3 Gandalf cards (Sent Back and Defender of the West among them if needed) and just play your Defender of the West with the help of Sent Back. I use that combo (Sent Back and Saved from the fire) a lot and it's almost always a savior. The only drawback is that if you do all that in the same Fellowship phase, you'll have to place a lot of  . It's up to you to evaluate the situation and use the cards in the best way possible. That's one of the strongest reasons why this game is so great: Luck has very little to do with the outcome.

[sharkey]

YES! I hate games like pokemon where it may as well be: Play all the pokemons you like. Flip a coin. If heads, you win the game, if tails, you lose.

[MR. Lurtzy]

YES! I hate games like pokemon where it may as well be: Play all the pokemons you like. Flip a coin. If heads, you win the game, if tails, you lose.

Yeah, that's how it works. 

[sharkey]

Pretty much. It has a a bit more strategy than that, but compared to LOTR, not really. A great deck can be ruined by bad luck, and a terrible deck can make it to the finals.

[sharkey]

Herbs and stewed rabbit for Smeagol support might also be helpful. 8 str, 9 res, and damage +4

[Smeagollum]

Non

1 or 2 Saved from the fire could really help, especially since you have 3 more Gandalfs and Sent Back already in your deck. Sacrifice your Leader of Men to draw 3 Gandalf cards (Sent Back and Defender of the West among them if needed) and just play your Defender of the West with the help of Sent Back. I use that combo (Sent Back and Saved from the fire) a lot and it's almost always a savior. The only drawback is that if you do all that in the same Fellowship phase, you'll have to place a lot of  . It's up to you to evaluate the situation and use the cards in the best way possible. That's one of the strongest reasons why this game is so great: Luck has very little to do with the outcome.

Nonsense. I don't want to kill a comp and add 3 twillight when I've got allready all my comps out. It would mean a totally different deck to make it as fast as it is now.
If I really want to have a competetive tournament deck then believe me that it would be something like this:

Frodo, Reluctant Adventurer  
The One Ring, Answer To All Riddles

Sam, Great Elf Warrior
Smeagol, Slinker  

4x Sting, Baggins Heirloom
Frodo's Cloak
2x Hobbit Sword
4x Shire countryside
4x Not listening
4x Nine fingered Frodo
4x Don't Follow the Lights
4x Don't Look at Them
4x Impatient and Angry
A Talent for Not Being Seen
Mithril-coat
3x Path

Which is 38 cards with Ninja Gollum as shadow. In the end only Sam will survive! The only shadows I think I'll be afraid of:
corsair bomb (possesion discarding)
Isengard Wargriders

[sharkey]

Whatever. Does anyone care? I vote no.

[Smeagollum]

This isn't the board for deck discussions.
-wtk

Agreed.. just became a bit tired of people with well meant (but not asked for) suggestions (which I normally appreciate, but it was totally oftopic) about how to build a deck. It felt as if they thought that I didn't understand deckbuilding. And then I let myself a bit go to make clear that I exactly know what I was doing. Shouldn't have done that. The topic was about an inquery of the trick I had in mind was legal. Conclusion is that it only works with Frodo, frenzied fighter. Which makes things a bit though to do, but not undoable. Still should be fun to see somebody's face if this trick would happen!

Please close the topic! I know enough! Thx Chompers & Jord for the clearification about the rule!

[sharkey]

You can close it yourself as post creator. And yes, most of us do know how build decks, just like you. We all have slightly different ways of doing it and different styles and favored  cards. Just trying to be helpful and give a different take on it.

[Smeagollum]

You can close it yourself as post creator. And yes, most of us do know how build decks, just like you. We all have slightly different ways of doing it and different styles and favored  cards. Just trying to be helpful and give a different take on it.

No problem.. I just got anoyed after mentioning Farmer Maggot's Fields in an expanded deck without a merry or pippin in the deck.  I know you guys meant it well, but after I posted how my idea should work I was actually ready with the topic. But need to say thank you, because you actuall wanted to think with me. I should have appreciate it a bit more!

[sharkey]

No problem! I forgot it was expanded... I feel stupid, it should have been deadly obvious with Frodo, FF in it. I was suggesting the idea of pull Merry or Pippin, then burn them with saved from the fire to pull Frodo, FF, Held, and Bilbo (or another card). But that's just how I would do it. Your deck works just as well.