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« on: December 05, 2009, 06:56:14 AM »
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Well then, here it goes:

1x Frodo, Reluctant Adventurer] RB
1xThe One Ring, Such a Weight to carry

Freeps:

2xTreebeard, Guardian of the Forest
1x Host of Fangorn
1x Skinbark, Fladrif
1x Birchseed, Tall Statesman
1x Quickbeam, Bregalad
1x Forest Guardian
1x Huorn
2x Sam, Great Elf Warrior
1x Pippin, in the Bloom of Health
1x Merry, From O'er the Brandywine

1x Sting, Weapon of Heritage
1x Merry's dagger
1x Pippin's Dagger
2x Hobbit Sword
1x Horn of the Mark

2x Enraged
2x Ent Draught
3x Make Haste
2x Long slow Wrath
2x Boomed and Trumeted
1x A Wizard is never late

Shadow:

1x Sauron, The lord of the Rings
2x The Witch-King, Lord of the Nazgul
2x The Witch-King, Black Lord
2x Ulaire Toldea, Wraith on Wings
1x Ulaire Attea, Black Predator
3x Ulaire Nelya, Third of the Nine Riders
1x Ulaire Otsea, Thrall of the one
1x Ulaire Lemenya, Thrall of the one
1x Black Rider
1x The Witch-King's Beast, Fell Creature
3x Fell Beast
3x Nazgûl Blade
1x The Pale Blade, Sword of Flame
1x Ring of Asperity
1x Ring of Hate
2x In the Ringwraith's Wake
2x Drawn to it's Power
1x Bent on Discovery
1x Blade Tip

Aventure Path:

The Angle
Anduin River
Flats of Rohan
North Undeep
Trollshaw Forest
Valley of the Silverlode
Farmer Maggot's Field
Anduin Confluence
Morgulduin

First, you sure think: what the #$&*@! is that?!
Quite simple, it's a Ent Swarm / Nazgul OTK.
All Yu-Gi-Oh players will know, but for the others, OTK means One-Turn-Kill, and that's what this Deck is about.
See, the most powerful card is The Witch-King, Lord of the Nazgul, but the only Problem is, that he isn't fierce. So, the main strategy is to confuse the opponent with Cards like In the Ringwraith's Wake and make him think that you play a Nazgul-Corruption and with The Witch-King, Black Lord in your hand, you just weaken the ringbearer so that that you can kill him with The Witch-King, Lord of the Nazgul in just one round.
And even if this plan doesn't work, just kill him with cards like Black Rider.
I know that this Deck seems quite strange cus' of all these Random Cards, but finally, using a OTK Deck, you need to prepare your final strike, so there are many tricks and Combos just to make the opponent sure he's playing against a usual Nazgul Deck.
But in round 3 or 4, you play The Witch-King, Lord of the Nazgul, and if the Ring-Bearer isn't wounded, just play a Fell Beast to give him fierce ftw.

As you can see the main strategy is the Shadow one. But the freeps one is nice to, giving you enough time to do your OTK. With tons of companions during the first few round, it's difficult to break trough the Ent-Wall. The most important thing is Synergy. I'll give some examples:
Sam, Great Elf Warrior + Sting, Weapon of Heritage => removing Burdens => so The One Ring, Such a Weight to carry is prefect in this Deck.
Exertion abilities of Ents and Events to exert the unbound Hobbits + Make Haste
With such a powerful defense you've got more then enough time to win with the Shadow side, eliminating one after the other with your Witch-King.

I'm more than open for questions and suggestions.

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2009, 10:03:58 AM »
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You are playing Ents, in casual or expanded. Thus, there is only one option for your starting Fellowship:

Ring-bearer, Ring.
Merry, In the Bloom of Health (costs 1)
Pippin, In the Bloom of Health (costs 1)
Farmer Maggot, Hobbit of the Marish (costs 1)
Quickbeam, Bregalad (free)
Skinbark, Fladrif (costs 1)
Host of Fangorn (free)
Ent Horde (free)

Add four copies of Warmed Up a Bit to discard the unbound Hobbits, and then play more ents, like Treebeard, Lindenroot, or others.

Starting eight companions means that your deck will have seven more Shadow cards than Free Peoples cards...this is perfect for if you are trying a one-turn kill deck.

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Shadow:
I am not convinced that this does the job in one turn. In fact, you have stated that it takes a few turns to wound the Ring-Bearer up until you can use The Witch-King, Lord of the Nazgul.

Why not use Twilight Nazgul, four copies of Resistance Becomes Unbearable to force exertions, Gollum, Dark as Darkness and Morgul Brutes, and four copies of Fell Beast for fierce? That seems like it does the job much more effectively.

A 30-card deck list for this might be:

The Witch-King, Lord of the Nazgul x3
Ulaire Enquea, Ringwraith In Twilight x3
Ulaire Nelya, Ringwraith In Twilight x3

Gollum, Dark as Darkness

Morgul Brute x3
Morgul Skulker x2

Fell Beast x4

His Terrible Servants x2
Evil-Smelling Fens

Resistance Becomes Unbearable x4
Captured By the Ring x4


Something like that. Just don't exert the Ring-Bearer too much with Resistance Becomes Unbearable or they will be wearing the Ring and you won't get your kill with The Witch-King or Enquea.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2009, 10:06:40 AM »
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Hey, also, how come none of your links ever work? You do know that if you just type a card title, it automatically links, right?

Ex. Sam, Son of Hamfast

See?
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2009, 12:47:38 PM »
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I like the idea, but ket has a point
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2009, 12:50:38 PM »
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On record, I think the only one-site win decks in LoTR TCG are Uruk-Hai Bomb and Moria Swarm. You either need a ridiculously kick-#$&*@! swarm or a bunch of fierce minions that will kill your Fellowship in one turn.

I will say that there are several well-designed strategies for one-turn kills...if you play Kralik on GCCG, that is how he likes to build a lot of his decks. But the only consistent one-turn kill deck is Moria.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2009, 01:28:43 PM »
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So, here I am, back again.
I don't know why the links didnt work, I linked them all correctly...
But you see, I just fear Enquea, so I play:
Pippin+Merry+Forest Guardian+Skinbark
You see, I've got five and when anyone dies, I just replace him and I don't have to care about Enquea
Why do you think it doesn't work? Just play Witch-King + Fell Beast and voilà, OTK
(maybe some cards that pull off the ring, but mostly not necessary cus' the opponent doesn't wear the ring when he thinks that I play a Corruption Deck  Wink  )
And, for one more reason, it's fun so I like this Nazgul only Deck with one Sauron and, (which is the main problem), even if it seems strange, I don't have enough money to Get Gollum, etc.
but pretty cool ideas, I think I will proxy the Deck and try it.

But as you maybe know, I am playing many different tcg's like Yu-Gi-Oh! (I own 3000 Cards and am playing a Cat-Gladi know), MtG (5500 Cards, playing a belcher) and Star Wars tcg (only 1500 Cards).
But the problem is, that I live in Switzerland (Zürich) and nobody plays lotr tcg in Zürich, you can't even buy it, so get all my cards in Prague (Czech Republic) but I try to play with my cousin in Prague.

And with all these different tcgs, I now see many thinks from a different point of view than before, when I started to play Lotr tcg. I often try to mix different strategies from different tcgs and thisDeck has a little bit of MtG, playing some random to confuse my opponent so that he sarts to figure out a strategy against me, and then, surprise him with an OTK and also something of Yu-Gi-Oh, with cards like A Wizard is never late
cus' in Yu-Gi-Oh, Synergy and Combos are pretty important.
So, you see, I didn't just mix some cards together, I mixed some tcg-strategies  Wink


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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2009, 08:40:06 PM »
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So, here I am, back again.
I don't know why the links didnt work, I linked them all correctly...
But you see, I just fear Enquea, so I play:
Pippin+Merry+Forest Guardian+Skinbark
You see, I've got five and when anyone dies, I just replace him and I don't have to care about Enquea

Four copies of Warmed Up a Bit for the superfluous Hobbits. Four copies of Gandalf, Manager of Wizards (or any Gandalf you prefer). Three copies of Terrible And Evil. One copy of Barliman Butterbur...those will help. One copy of Treebeard, one copy of Lindenroot, four copies of A Wizard Is Never Late. Top it off with Gandalf's Staff, Narya, Glamdring, and two copies of Brooding On Tomorrow and a copy of Sting and you have a pretty solid deck right there. You don't really need pumps (Gandalf) but you could take away a copy or two of him and add some Servant of the Secret Fire or any great set 11+ Gandalf pump if you want.

Why do you think it doesn't work? Just play Witch-King + Fell Beast and voilà, OTK
(maybe some cards that pull off the ring, but mostly not necessary cus' the opponent doesn't wear the ring when he thinks that I play a Corruption Deck  Wink  )
Here is a short list of reasons why your proposed deck won't work:

The One Ring, Answer to All Riddles
Fourth Level, Citadel of the Stars, Gondor Bow
Durin III, Dwarven Lord
Gondor Bowmen, Double Shot, and direct wounding like Terrible and Evil, Unheeded, Slaked Thirsts, or Preparations (you need to exert Wikkie).
What Are They?
Defiance
Glorfindel, Revealed in Wrath
Eowyn, Lady of Ithilien
Rohirrim Guard
Catapult, Arrow-Slits, Roll of Thunder (without the possessions, your minion is only strength 14...very beatable)
Horses
Wearing the One Ring

And any number of cards from sets 10+ that I am unfamiliar with.

And, for one more reason, it's fun so I like this Nazgul only Deck with one Sauron and, (which is the main problem), even if it seems strange, I don't have enough money to Get Gollum, etc.
but pretty cool ideas, I think I will proxy the Deck and try it.
Wraith are fun, but they lack kicks. There are no good pumps for them and they are pretty beatable unless you can swarm them (Forestguls) or, like you are trying to do, play one or two that end up being strength 20+. But there are enough ways to beat really strong guys (mentioned above). I just don't see the deck as a one-turn kill, like you suggest it is.

And with all these different tcgs, I now see many thinks from a different point of view than before, when I started to play Lotr tcg. I often try to mix different strategies from different tcgs and thisDeck has a little bit of MtG, playing some random to confuse my opponent so that he sarts to figure out a strategy against me, and then, surprise him with an OTK and also something of Yu-Gi-Oh, with cards like A Wizard is never late
cus' in Yu-Gi-Oh, Synergy and Combos are pretty important.
So, you see, I didn't just mix some cards together, I mixed some tcg-strategies  Wink

I would suggest looking at Lord of the Rings TCG from the standpoint of Lord of the Rings TCG rather than mixing too many strategies. I've never played Yu-Gi-Oh, but there are great strategies and combinations in LotR: TCG as well. Think of them within the terms of this game rather than in the terms of Yu-Gi-Oh and I think you will find your decks more successful.

Also, a last point, you are typing "url=http://CARD TITLE" rather than just typing "card title." Just type a card title, like A Wizard Is Never Late, rather than typing "A Wizard Is Never Late (Broken Link).
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2009, 06:47:13 AM »
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Thanks a lot for all these tricks and help, I'm just trying to build a Eowyn/Greenleaf Deck as Freeps and similar Shadows as you supposed, I think I'll post it later, but I think I'll re-build my freeps and Shadow.
But you've seen the main problem of playing a Nazgûl Deck which I am to trying to handle with for a long time: Events and Possesions. I mean, if there were any playable "pushing" events, Nazguls could become overpowered, but when I play against may cousin and his Gimli-Hunter freeps, the only way to win is Sauron, cus' a Hunter-Gimli+Axe of Erebor+Hand Axe+Ring=14 Strength guy, and with a couple of events like the one with two Axes that gives +4 strength (I always forget the name) or Axe Strike, my poor Witch-King doesn't stand any chances.
I mean, playing Fell Beast is nice, but you lose two additional cards by playing it.
Another problem is that I know most of the cards until Black Rider, cus' after BR, they stopped releasing Lotr Tcg in Switzerland, so I had no idea what was going on..
But Im pleased to see that there are still people out there playing lotr tcg, cus' it really is my favourite tcg.

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2009, 09:28:15 AM »
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The simplest explanation to your problem is: Don't play expanded.

If you play expanded, you almost have to play Hunter minions because everyone is going to play hunter companions (for the most part). Gimli, Skilled Hunter, Rumil, Silvan Elf, Orophin, Silvan Elf, Aragorn, Throngil...those guys are just far too common.

Fell Beast is one of the best cards for Wraith decks because it helps you cycle a lot. Cycling has always been a problem with so many unique minions, but Fell Beast is great for that. And with a copy of Morgul Skulker or two, you can get them back if needed!

But I am glad that you understand my point that your Witch-King is not going to win very many skirmishes and thus your Shadow is not really at all a one-turn kill. In fact, it takes many turns to set up and has a limited success rate.
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